posted November 02, 2007 03:49 AM              

Joanne WOODWARD,
born February 27, 1930 at 4:00 AM in Thomasville, GA (USA)
Sun in 8°06 Pisces, AS in 27°28 Capricorn,
Moon in 25°22 Aquarius, MC in 15°01 Scorpio

ok, so its the ultimate happy ever after. but like Cash-Carter n Banderas- Griffith this one too had its share of drama. Paul ended his marriage for Joanne. In those days a move like that was enough to destroy both their careers , given the puritanical 50's american christian public. But like Paul said in an interview, " there was never me, or this or that, only ever us, us, we and ours..." Hard to imagine in our age when its all me, me , i, mine yadayada..

posted November 02, 2007 04:40 AM              

Rule 1

""one exact conjunction or exact trine of Ascendant of either person to either of: Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, North Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor.""

P's Asc conj J's Asc
J's draco merc, mars and eros conj P's Natal Asc
P's mer, venus, sat conj J's Asc
P's natal juno, draco mars and draco chiron * conj J's draco Asc.
J's natal chiron and draco jupiter conj P's natal I.C.
there are more hits to the house cusps but i have only listed the most imp.

Rule 2
""atleast one exact conjunction or trine of Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma with the other's Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma.""
Natally
their sun n moon are reversed and out of orb but it does help compatability
P's venus conj J's Asc , juno and oppose Plu.
P's mars conj J's eros
P's Plu con J's desc, trine venus
J's venus conj P's valentine
J's Karma conj P's nep, vertex
J's dr. saturn conj P's dr. chiron

Draco
P's dr.sun trine J's dr.moon
P's dr. Venus conj J's na. Nep
P's dr. sat conj J's dr. M.C.
P'sDr. Karma conj J's dr. juno * .... he was under a karmc contract to be her hubby

phew... the rules 1 and 2 are more than satisfied..

now for the icing on the cake.....
P's solstice val. conj J's vertex*
J's solstice Val conj P's isis and osiris

posted November 02, 2007 10:27 AM              

that`s funny, I was just thinking about looking at this couple`s midpoints, when I saw your thread.

However, I only had time to see a part of their midpoints, before I became green with envy.

His Sun/ Moon conjunct her Antivertex
her Sun/Moon conjunct his Moon *
his Sun/ Mars conjunct her Venus
her Venus / Mars conjunct his MOon
her Pluto / Vertex oppoiste his Sun

Of course there is more, far more!

"Paul ended his marriage for Joanne"
I just had a magi-astrology-look on this couple. It is a very interesting one, because it`s one of the few couple that have the infamous Saturn-Chiron-clash (a double clash actually) with several other Saturn-clashes on top, but they`ve been married for so long, they seem to have find a way to deal with this one.
However, it is called "marriage-breaker", because couples with this clash are drawn to each other, regardless of other relationships they are in, and in most cases those relationships will be "broken", so it seems this interpretation held true for Paul and Joanne.

However, they don`t have only bitter Saturn-clashes (9 in geo and helio), they also have outstanding Cinderella-linkages (8), romance-linkages (8), sexual linkages (10) and very strong planetary geometry.

And their Cinderella linkages include 2 Venus-Chiron (the best according to Magi) and 2 Neptune-Chiron (lifetime-linkages).

On a non-astrological note: I think that most Twinsouls (maybe even all) have their share of drama; but if they are truely Twinsouls and truely love each other, then they will be strong enough to find a good way to solve all this drama.

DD

posted November 02, 2007 08:32 PM            

They are one of my all time fav couples!
They have so many aspects, and it's great that you used the Draconics in IQ's Rules.

posted November 03, 2007 07:27 AM              

you only take conjunctions and oppositions? You mean with the midpoints?
Well, it seems more and more logical to me, that only a cojunction to a midpoint - near or far- can trigger it, since a midpoint is a calculated point.

I also agree, that conjunctions and oppositions are the most important ones in a synastry.
For example: I`m having a rather weak synastry with someone with some strong aspects pointing to a friendly connection (Mercury trine Sun; Mercury trine Mercury; Jupiter trine Sun; Jupiter trine Mercury); usually I would say I wouldn`t even notice him with so soft aspects (there is a T-square of Venus-Neptune/ASC/NN-Jupiter, though), but I guess what made me really notice him is the fact that his Sun is exactly opposite my Moon, and when did I notice him?
Coincidentally, when my progressed Mercury / Venus conjunction had come into opposition to his sun. Voila! (His progressed Venus is also trine my Sun, so that might have helped).

So, as I see it, conjunctions and oppositions are the "hot spots" of a synastry; and interpretation should start from there. But after this I do include trine, square and sextile; especially the trine seems to show areas where the relationship runs smoothly, where there is a lot of harmony.
But without conjunctions or oppositions there is a certain lack of energy that can help "drawing" people together; even just drawing attention to each other.

For example my parents. You can definitely see the nature of their interaction just by looking at their conjunctions and oppositions.

her sun opposite his Moon
her Venus conjunct his Saturn and ASC
her Mars conjunt his Saturn and ASC
her Saturn conjunct his Mars

And some more. You don`t need to see the Sun-Saturn-trine to know how they relate to each other; it gives some kind of "fine-tuning", but it`s really the conjunctions and oppositions that determine their relationship.
I also tend to think that a relationship without conjunctions and oppositions may not last very long, or at least it might lack a certain closeness and interconnectedness. I certainly would expect conjunctions and opposition in a Twin-soul-relationship.
But for DW`s I would definitely look at the other aspects, too.

posted November 05, 2007 06:02 PM              

Someone had asked here in a thread to say some sinastry of Twin Souls and i thought about them right away - the st time i saw their sinastry i became really really amazed of how much "acuracy" and "no coincidence" existed in their interconnections

I mean, we can be complete newbies in astrologu and still see a sort of beautiful synchronicity in their charts together,those conj/opp are trully of Twin Souls !

Yup i know now - conj/opp rules!!!

DD- gREAT ultimate phrase hihihi - very dramatic and true!

posted November 05, 2007 06:14 PM            

What would be the difference between a twin soul and a soul mate? (Still a bit fuzzy on that issue.)

posted November 05, 2007 07:39 PM              

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What would be the difference between a twin soul and a soul mate?

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posted November 06, 2007 04:18 AM              

The Oversoul Matrix or Oversoul Identity, Monad Identity or HU-3 Identity is the identity levels stationed in dimensions 7, 8 and 9 and composed of the frequency bands of those dimensions.

A part of the Higher Self.

Triadic Identity – the Teura (Oversoul Matrix) of Harmonic Universe 3 (HU-3) that includes:

1) The Ketheric Mind – D7

2) The Monadic Mind – D8 – The Meta-Galactic Core

3) The Keriatric Mind. –D9

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Galactic Core

Collectively called the Causal Mind.

Represents the Planetary Mind Matrix. (or “Planetary Logos”)

(Voyager I – Page 137)

The Oversoul, HU-3 identity, creates 12 soul identities in HU-2, each of which create 12 incarnate identities within the six time cycles of HU-1.

Thus each person is part of an Incarnational Family of 144 incarnates residing within the six HU-1 time cycles.

In each pair of incarnates, one is male, the other female; this relationship is referred to as "twin flames", but does not necessarily imply a romantic "soul mate" involvement.

Each of the 144 incarnates carries part of the 12-Strand DNA pattern within the genetic code. As the 144 incarnates progressively evolve with the planet through the six time cycles, the 12-Strand DNA imprint is progressively build up in the genetic code

(Voyagers II - Page 148)

Your Soul is a plural with 12 faces and is part of a larger identity called the Oversoul that is composed of 12 souls – each with their 12 incarnate identities, so you are dealing with 144 incarnates in your immediate Oversoul family.