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Diandra23
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posted November 21, 2007 09:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its a delicate thing and I didnt want to post before cause i thought it could be rude to ask since its a person from my family - but she´s very hard to understand and i wanna know how could i be more comprehensive and help her

The thing is i dont know very much about her chillwood-it was a dificult one including her Dad who didnt let her be who she was. She took care of her family and ll sisters and since young age started to work hard.

I suspect that many of her problems regarding herself and others are conected to her youth and childwood.

She has some medium capabilities and i assisted already she´s very sensitive

I dont know if are the transits of if someone is tying to do harm to her and my family - but lately everything in our house falls apart and strange things happens - all that can go wrong with it - it happens

What do you see in the chart that may help? Help to understand better her moods her actions and why she feels nobody loves her enough?
Im thinking if someone can see there in the transits sth that may explain the bad luck lately including in relationships and money problems

I thank any comment

Here´s the tables of TRansits


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girlloveboy
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posted November 21, 2007 11:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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patisserie
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posted November 21, 2007 11:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just took a glance, only picking what is relevant(major transits and aspects):

Her major transits are:

1.) Pluto Sq. ASC(March 06 - Sept. 08) I think during this time she may feel like everybody in the world is exerting their power over her, particularly people who are close to her(Pluto in 4th house) or who know her intimately that disturbs the core of her security. The people she has been relying on is now what she feels, is turning against her and she is surviving emotionally "alone". At the same time, this means she will also have to deal with the outside force, her job(Pluto Opp. MC; see below). The reaction can be ugly, as she tries to resists anyone who she may feel is attempting to control something in her life, but in order to AVOID control, she avoids people instead. She may feel home life is disruptive to her mental health and state, where she cannot find peace. I think the best retreat for her is to take part in some creativity because Neptune is transitting over her 5th. She can use this time as a therapeutic session.

and 2.) Pluto Opp. MC(Feb. 06 - Dec. 07) When Pluto is opposing the MC(10th) then we find a similar upheavel below in the IC(4th). I think this influence causes her to dig up some old hurts from a past not properly healed. The 10th indicates the one in the household who had to go to work professionally. You mentioned Dad being a force onto her. Psychologically maybe she is experiencing the same thing over again when it came to working or having tougher responsibilities with the boss. She feels she has no right to live when everybody is not only controlling her actions(she has some Aquarian influences - wants to rebel out and be an individual), but also putting family workload on her emotionally which can be very stressful. She could just feel tired of babysitting, and wants to go out and venture places and explore instead.

When you mentioned "someone trying to harm your family" I cannot say for sure. Pluto opp. MC(outside world) COULD mean this, but I think your best bet is for an horary astrology instead. Pluto opp. MC could mean the government, too, if the government is trying to control financial situation such as a debt being paid off.

Her natal Saturn sq. Neptune, Neptune sq. MC indicates often times her ideals were sacrificed for some other reason. Some duty was always blocking her way of happiness. She is a very sensitive individual, but often finds herself surrounded by negative environment or stresses that takes a great deal of energy from her. This can also means negative people who she didn't judge too well as friends(Pluto in 11th). She learns who she is by being with people, people who tell her who she is and what they nurture into her. Neptune 1st house conj. Chiron and ASC. around Virgo/Libra cusp is probably where the inadequacy stems from as well. Virgo is a very modest influence, therefore they tend to limit themselves of anything grand and deserving. And being that the cusp wobbles around Libra's glow, well, I can only assume that she is just too good to even understand what makes her think she's unlovable. Her moon sq. ASC indicates she has a hard time being fine with herself, there is self-esteem work to be done in order for her to appreciate what she feels and how she looks. The feelings never match up as she wants them to be. She may not have the confidence to fight for her causes or rights. Impressionable thoughts, maybe?

I forgot to mention that Saturn is also opp. her Sun, which is also important to address but I hope to add more when I come back later this evening.

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MUSTANG
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posted November 21, 2007 02:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's too hard to read it with all those aspect lines and asteroids. You might get more replies if you repost it without them.

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Diandra23
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posted November 21, 2007 04:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mustang,

thank you., it´s edited as you asked to

Patisserie,

All that you said is true and its the real thing - myself wouldnt explain better what ive been seing these last times.

Yes she feels very alone emocionally and that we,the ones who love her,are somehow gettin her man and restrained - she says everyone wants to be bossy with her and that she feels no longer secure and able to live like thiss-sometimes she even says some day whe is goin to disappear and it wġuld be the best ..

At the job, she already had a baby store ( that now it is me who are there) and some weeks ago opened another to see if things would be better financially
When youve talked about creativity i thought about this:in the baby store she has also a Reiki office but till now nobody replied or went there to consult her -which is awful
and i think contributes to her feeling unworthy or valuable on ahtings she was born to do - heal others with her energy

The government are also an issue-some time ago my parents gained against the governement but it is always a reopened case,as they still have high debts to pay to them..( the person i talk about is my Mother)

Yes,since young woman she always let her own dreams to take care of others and even now she always puts responsabilites who are not for her own and care for others who many times dont even know to thank properly..she is very gifted and sensitive.Has a great heart but she helps always others who in the future dont help her when shes the one who needs confort and support!

Thanks so much for your thought about this-you are very good on this,everything matched.

I just wanted to know what i could do to make her feel better and help in any way to take off my family of the problems

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patisserie
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posted November 22, 2007 08:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When something like this happens, the best thing for someone to do is leave them as they wish to be to collect themselves by their own feet and hands. Don't make them feel incapable. Of course family members will get worried and pull her to the sides, but this puts more strain on her. As if revealing her thoughts can make her seem weak. If she is the breadwinner of the family, it would help to help her maybe with the housework, reinvent the home decoration or something. If someone is going through a rough transition, it is best to give them the space they so truly need.

Saturn is transit Opp. her Sun, in the 5/th/6th House cusp.

This transit is like a child inside school and not allowed to go play recess, feeling trapped and getting depressed about not being able to be free. Superiors or people can be holding her back, or "responsibilities" are holding her back. Family members or employees could be saying "you know, your business is not going the way you wanted" but she does not wish to give up. She might have days where she wants to relax, but not give up truly. She is just going through an inner process to "weed out" unnecessary garbage, attitudes that don't work, or the ideas she once had, but all this takes a lot of time and she feels she is not getting the time to afford the thinking.

Its also a time where she can get depressed easily because every effort she makes can be blocked or countered by something or someone. Again, like the Pluto transits I've mentioned, maybe someone is just taking the reign and not letting her steer the wheel. She hits a wall everytime she wants to get out that limits her competancy. The time is calling her to just relax and stay calm if things go unplanned. Saturn only gets rid of things that aren't helpful in the future. It may be painful, but this is a necessary time to get rid of things that have outlived their purpose, including jobs, relationships, ideas, attitudes or negative habits. Since Saturn is Opp. Sun, it may hurt her ego, men can hurt her, people who are in authority can hurt her. But she is tough and there is room for improvement.

When Saturn transit 5th house, it is similar to Saturn Opp. the Sun because the Sun rules the 5th house. So you may see the same kind story applied here.

Her creativity might have been strained, as well the "fun times" she wanted to have, but couldn't. As if she didn't have the drive to be creative, but wanted to yet did not know how to express it well. The "life" has gone missing. Her creative talent was questioned, probably stemming her to feel as if she wasn't unique or interesting because Saturn is like the old Scrooge adult discouraging optimism and joyful times. When people discourage a child's artistic merit, the child begins to adopt the "truth" that they'll never achieve creativity or voicing their own talent, thus stunting their growth and creating all sorts of fears of being ridiculed, rejected, or unloved.

She could use this time to be stronger about her abilities in practical and creative matters. She needs to enjoy life's simple pleasures and rethink about her capabilities. Don't let her underestimate herself. Many women find crafting or healing arts highly stress-reducing, but they fear making a business out of it because they think REAL people don't buy that. Where is the time to buy such frivolity? People might have said she was just wasting money on useless things, but to her it was HER way of making business without working so hard. Her ideals may have been crushed. In a way that was her only survival plan, her "career" she found by herself. She wanted to find work that was easy to do but also something she loved doing. This is what 5th house is about. Creativity and speculative fun. People might have wondered if she was really doing any significant work. They instead might have discouraged her creative abilities, thinking it's not work but just play instead. But to her, it was her dream.

I find it interesting that you said she had a baby store -- the 5th House centers around children too! I think she will do just fine, as long as she finds her creative spot, she will work on it and bring the energy back into her work. If the baby store could use some creativity, she could use the talent to make it livelier, fun and attractive. Advertising the business might help as well.


But now, Saturn is going into 6th, House of Health and Daily Work. It can become much easier for her to cope with work, but as long as people give her the space and peace she needs. If not, her health could be affected instead of churning out practical work, she could get lazy and not do anything at all. Don't let her sink into a routine. Inject something new everyday or every week to keep it fresh and alive. She could try the Reiki again during this time because Saturn just swept the floor clean for her -- giving her the space she needs. The most important lesson here is to work better, because there will be much more pressure for her to present service.

Because her health is a sensitive issue here, you can help her treat her to some tea. Try different types and find ones she enjoys and likes. Tea with mint are great spirit boosts. Some healing self-help books, yoga, easy listening music, a garden space, the oceanside or any artistic center or craft she could do. Japanese crafts are highly popular and it may appeal to her. Additionally, 6th house rules pets, so a pet could be a great companion. If she is exposed to a beautiful environment, her inspiration will rekindle.

She needs the Reiki healing more for herself than for other people, though. Get her mood back into good spirits will help make the transits easier. There are a lot of things you can do for her. Photography collection, travel, book clubs, crafting, self-empowerment... Things NOT to do is to let her fall into discouragement, as she is easily prone to do so during the Saturn transit (which could last up til July '08).

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Diandra23
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posted November 23, 2007 08:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Patisserie,

ALL that youve said are spot on her reality.

Some days ago my older sister came up to her and said awful things like to give up on everything including her work cause right now it is being hard to profit..she imediatelly had a major crisis and has one whole day crying her heart out and nobody was able to help to calm her down.

My Dad sometimes also have big arguments on her of little things and vice versa-so she feels very upset all the days of the week and unmotivated.

Yes,everybody here in the family dont believe the business can be profitable and all ( excluding me who are the only one who is there helping and trying to take up her ideas and self-esteem)- I know that this is being hard but i believe that she has true capabilities and if at least my family supported her i know she would gain forces - but strangely seems that no one believes and just wants her to get rid of the business..

I advertised the store including a site,going to forums,and im always changind things and creating new "environmet" there so that it doent seem " static".

- I said that to her - that first she needs to clear her mind and use some Reiki on her - cause iif not nobody would look at her and feel the good vibes and energy needed to DO the REIKI! - It´s sad to know though that the SSaaturn transit lasts so long - it seems to have benn here for ages now.


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patisserie
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posted November 23, 2007 10:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to hear how much this is troubling for her and your family. The trick is to be creative about how they will be resourceful of their services. She also needs to understand that businesses, any business for that matter, can be hard to hold up. Maybe an office isn't what she needs? I know many people who perform holistic services do it in the comfort of their homes, but they also take a trip to people's homes as well.

Do you think she could instead go into people's homes and perform Reiki in their houses? Like a visiting nurse type. It saves a lot of money, and I think word-of-mouth could transfer information very quickly, too. Just a suggestion?

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Diandra23
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posted November 23, 2007 10:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

That´s a very nice suggestion! Ive never thought of that - yup it´s muth to mouth all right - but still the new baby store is there in the same place as the Reiki consultation - so we must think of a way to improve the part of the Babies - i already am looking to Feng Shui also.

Yes any business is hard specially now that in our Country is happenind a big crisis on money issues..but the key for me is that one - make the diference and thinkg what are the "missing" parts of the type of business and iniciate whatever is needed-so that the client stays more fullfield than in any other place.

I have big hopes for this-its a matter of patience and believing-im also passing throug some hard Saturn transit but now im slowly getting to see things better in the brighter perspective.

I gave my Mom the book "The Secret" where we can learn what we already know deep inside - we are and attract what we think - so whe is thiking the worst and thats why also she attracts the bad things-makes sense isnt it? - so i am here to help her and help my family feel happier and motivated

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Diandra23
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posted April 23, 2008 06:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping this for me not to forget,and handle with care..

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