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posted November 26, 2007 06:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the significance of the AP?

The AP represents a movement (cardinal) from an inner quality to an outer manifestation. It orients us towards the world at large—society, public events and all relationships propelled from the individual to the collective. Sometimes it represents a "spectacular out rush of energies... and involvement with the world at large" Celest Teal

The AP also seems to relate to meetings with those famous, respected or expert in their field.

As the first degree of Aries, this point suggest how our “will to be”, or sense of I AM, moves out from the subjective and into manifest reality.

As the first Degree of Cancer, this point suggest how our need to love and nurture, our sense of “I Feel”, moves from the subjective into the world.

As the first degree of Libra, this placement says, “I relate”, suggesting how our drive to interact with others in socially significant ways moves from our inner world and out towards other individuals.

As the first degree of Capricorn, this placement says, “I produce”, suggesting how our urge to bring tangible results moves from “self” to society as a whole. Isabel Hickey would have said that it the AP is the initial point where the spirit incarnates, the starting point of the SELF. By house and aspect contact, the AP indicates how we project out into the public, meeting life in distinct ways that the collective recognizes, acknowledges (or judges) and remembers us by.


What does it mean if a planet or point conjuncts the AP?

Don McBroom calls the AP the “Power behind dominant traits and public projection. He says, “…the AP can be an indicator of an individual's Potential for Public Projection. Often this measurement was uncannily related to the person's claim to fame or for what they will be remembered. When there was direct contact between a specific Planet or Point (i.e. Ascendant or Midheaven) and the AP (within a two-degree orb), there was frequently a distinguishable relationship with the energies traditionally associated with that planet that was publicly observable in the individual.”


When a planet or point conjuncts the AP the nature and energy drive of that planet has the added thrust or urge to express collectively. It may also represent what the public at large recognize most readily in us, or remember us for.

Sun-AP Can mean our energy, vitality and drive seeks to express through society. People see us for our solar qualities and we propel our creative drive into the collective. The famous individual.

Moon-AP Suggests that our inner world of feelings, reflections and intuition expresses in public ways, and these qualities are noticed by the collective. The famous psychic.

Mercury-AP Can mean our intellect, thoughts and ways of communicating capture the public eye. We are recognized as being witty, bright, mercurial, and clever. The famous writer.

Venus-AP Can mean our sensual, accommodating ability to connect and bond with others moves out into a greater social arena. People see us for our capricious, artistic and ingratiating qualities. The famous artist.

Eros-AP Suggests our passionate desire for erotic transformation is noticed by the collective. People see our potent energy as tantalizing or threatening, according to their own views. The famous courtesan.

Mars-AP Suggests our assertive, direct and action oriented qualities grab the attention of society. We are seen as commanding, raw and imposing. The famous warrior.

Jupiter-AP Can mean our leadership qualities, expansiveness, optimism and call for justice capture the attention of the collective. We are seen for our vision, immensity, and joviality. The famous world leader.

Saturn-AP Suggests our ability to build tangible results through persistent and sustained effort is highlighted by public acclaim. We are seen for our ambition, caution and pragmatic detail. The famous corporate director.

Chiron-AP suggests renown for our ability to teach, understand, strive for the impossible and restore compassion. We are seen as a healer for those who have lost faith or are in despair. The famous Guru.

Uranus-AP suggests our ability to make sudden changes, rebel against dogmatic convictions and break out of the safety zone is noticed by society. We are seen as surprising, inventive and inspiring. The famous revolutionary.

Neptune-AP The longing for the divine and the desire to merge with the collective unconscious is captured by the projection of society. We are seen as the public want to see us. The famous movie star.

Pluto-AP The ruthless drive for power and control is noticed socially as it wrestles with the need to plumb the depths of the unconscious mind. We are seen for our potent qualities, the dark hero who can be transformed. The famous eccentric.

Ascendant-AP Being known for personality traits and interactions in the world. Having famous friends!

Midheaven-AP Being known for social achievement through career, mission or profession. Working with famous people!

North Node-AP Being known for following the path to the future. Having a famous guide!

South Node-AP Being known for redeeming the path of the past. Being a guide to others.

from: http://www.falconastrology.com/aries_point.htm (great, much longer article)
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my venus is at an aries point and YUP, have always wanted to be an artist my whole life. working on it..

if you have aries points, please post how they manifest in your life!

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posted November 26, 2007 06:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting. i have:

Moon-AP Suggests that our inner world of feelings, reflections and intuition expresses in public ways, and these qualities are noticed by the collective. The famous psychic.

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posted November 26, 2007 07:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read the article.
Very interesting.

I'm not sure if I got it right, but if it only applies to Aries, Cancer, Libra, & Cap, then I have the AP in my Moon(Aries 2 degrees), Uranus(Libra 29), and Chiron(Aries 28).

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Moon-AP Suggests that our inner world of feelings, reflections and intuition expresses in public ways, and these qualities are noticed by the collective. The famous psychic.

Uranus-AP suggests our ability to make sudden changes, rebel against dogmatic convictions and break out of the safety zone is noticed by society. We are seen as surprising, inventive and inspiring. The famous revolutionary.

Chiron-AP suggests renown for our ability to teach, understand, strive for the impossible and restore compassion. We are seen as a healer for those who have lost faith or are in despair. The famous Guru.


If it applies to signs other than this then I also have a sun AP with Virgo at 0 degrees.

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Sun-AP Can mean our energy, vitality and drive seeks to express through society. People see us for our solar qualities and we propel our creative drive into the collective. The famous individual.

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posted November 26, 2007 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cakes,

Too weird...I was just reading about this on Kim Falconer's site yesterday for the first time! I almost put up a post, but was in weird mode, so I spent my evening in the "80's Music" post!

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heart cakes
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posted November 26, 2007 07:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cool 8th moon! man, there are so many synchronicities for me on this board it's not even funny! do you have any aries pointed planets? p.s. i love 80s music! where is that thread??

oh and.. it only applies to the first couple degrees cardinal, last couple degrees mutable.

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posted November 26, 2007 07:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
it only applies to the first couple degrees cardinal, last couple degrees mutable.

So that means 28 - 0 degrees Mutable, and 0-2 Cardinal, right?

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posted November 26, 2007 07:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from the article:

What Orb is used with the AP? Orbs are always controversial. Some astrologers use a 2 degree orb, allowing anything from 28 degrees of the mutable signs to 2 degrees of the Cardinal. I use a little tighter, say 1.5 degrees either way. As in all things, if it acts like it is in orb, then it probably is! Still, the idea here is to keep it tight.

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posted November 26, 2007 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey HC!

Here's the 80's link. It's in the Free For All section: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/009281.html

AcousticGod posted an 80's quiz in the same forum.

My 0 Aries point is in my 6th house conjunct my Saturn.

"Saturn-AP Suggests our ability to build tangible results through persistent and sustained effort is highlighted by public acclaim. We are seen for our ambition, caution and pragmatic detail. The famous corporate director."

I'm so not the corporate type, and don't believe I'm seen for my ambition or caution!

I'm sure there's another interp...or Uranus is going to totally change my entire personality to fit this. (Har dee har har!)

8th

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posted November 26, 2007 07:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ohhhh boy, looks like i got me a night of nostalgia ahead!!

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posted November 27, 2007 06:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry 8th i had to run out and couldn't elaborate..

you know what though? your posts are always so articulate and well organized and thorough. being that it's conjunct saturn in your 6th i'm thinking that is like you have an extremely practical streak. i don't think the aries point has to relate directly to career, only the way you effect people. and i would say on linda land at least, you fit these qualities!

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posted November 27, 2007 06:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh this is so interesting - thanks for posting it!

Let's see if I have this right about my own chart. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

ASC 28 degrees Sag. "I produce" and having famous friends? I have had a few friends who were famous!

And coincidentally, one of those "famous friends" has Chiron at 28 degrees Pisces, and he very much fits this description: "Chiron-AP suggests renown for our ability to teach, understand, strive for the impossible and restore compassion. We are seen as a healer for those who have lost faith or are in despair. The famous Guru."

He also has sun and moon AP in the secondary progressions, and this fits him quite well.

"Sun-AP Can mean our energy, vitality and drive seeks to express through society. People see us for our solar qualities and we propel our creative drive into the collective. The famous individual.

Moon-AP Suggests that our inner world of feelings, reflections and intuition expresses in public ways, and these qualities are noticed by the collective. The famous psychic."

Cool stuff!

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posted November 27, 2007 06:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey gemini lover how's that pluto transit going for you?

it sounds like you could bring an exciting yet stablizing, practical energy into the world.. being that it's the capricorn thrust here.. i dunno, aries point is pretty new to me, but i think it's pretty straightforward. and being conjunct your asc sounds great for confidence and zeal! and that would make sense that you would be friends with famous people who have that kind of influence (sag, capricorn and asc energies combining). interesting!

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posted November 27, 2007 07:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am the famous warrior ! Xena

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posted November 27, 2007 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm.. interesting thread

I only have Chiron at 1deg Aries. Not sure what it means but l know nothing about the Aries Point or how to find it

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posted November 28, 2007 01:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi heart cakes - how cool!

So far I'm liking the Pluto transit - how about you?

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posted November 28, 2007 01:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup, it is wonnnnnderful!!

seriously, i am learning so much about myself and love and and and..

i mean, it's difficult (VERY) often, as pluto can be pretty hardcore, but i love it. oh, love it!!

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posted November 28, 2007 02:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the latter part of Pluto transiting my 12th house was awful, but the closer it's gotten to my ASC the better I feel - like I've survived a nightmare and become stronger for it, regaining so much confidence in myself and not having all this "deep psychological stuff" to work through. And now with Jupiter approaching it just gets better and better! There's an emerging theme of regaining control as well. These transits are also trining my sun and will be for quite a while - so you can imagine how ridiculously happy I feel about this!

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posted November 28, 2007 03:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH GOD YEAH i know what you are talking about!! pluto through my 12th was dang hard, and i didn't even know about transits then!! i mean, totally horrible time. and yup, right around when it transited my asc was when things started lightening up.. pluto through the 1st is kinda weird too, but much easier. it brings up more "stuff" but now it's like HEY! that's not my stuff, i gotta get rid of this junk! it's weighing me down!! mine's in my 1st house for a loooong time so i better get comfortable with it. haha..

and heyy.. i just saw on another thread. my chiron is conjunct your sun! no wonder i think you're so sweet!!

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posted November 28, 2007 03:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww, that's so sweet! I definitely noticed something about you on that 'almost subconscious' level - like I knew we would talk lots or something! I think you're really sweet too, and I could tell I was a little bit older than you (I'm 32) - but even though you're older than me you've experienced major transits just before I did, so in a way you're more experienced - isn't that so funny. And, awwwwww... in the infidelity thread you are most definitely like the wounded healer.

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posted November 28, 2007 04:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aww, i thought of you as being my healing sunny force for my wound ! guess it goes both ways

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posted November 28, 2007 04:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it does in this case. Isn't that so cool!

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posted November 28, 2007 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi HC!

Thanks so much for your words. I rarely think of myself as articulate. Especially w/ astrology when I've still got so much to learn. I can quote the heck out of other people though!

You two are so cute...feelin the love! (Ha ha..I just realized that HC's Chiron and GL's sun conjunct my true node and Valentine in my 7th house. No wonder!)

Lara...check out the site that HC listed for info and interps to your Aries point. http://www.falconastrology.com/aries_point.htm It's the house in your chart where 0.0 Aries is found and the planets that conjunct it. After finding this, you can look at the rest of the cardinal points.

Virgo/Aries...That's about right. I think, from what I've read, that a very tight orb is used for the conjunctions. Between 2 and 3 degrees. You have tons of connections to those points!

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posted November 28, 2007 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks eighthmoon

My AP is conjunct my chiron in 1st house by 1deg
This is what it says and it's spot on!

Chiron-AP suggests renown for our ability to teach, understand, strive for the impossible and restore compassion. We are seen as a healer for those who have lost faith or are in despair. The famous Guru.

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posted November 28, 2007 11:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's me:
Ascendant-AP Being known for personality traits and interactions in the world. Having famous friends!
Midheaven-AP Being known for social achievement through career, mission or profession. Working with famous people!

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posted November 28, 2007 05:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teehee, eighthmoon! I'm not surprised. Another similarity here is that I'm guessing you have moon in eighth (seems obvious!) and I'm a Scorpio moon.

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