posted November 30, 2007 11:42 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted December 01, 2007 12:20 AM            

Thank you Venusdeindia for showing Lilith in a more positive light

Diandra, as always you have some great aspects

Man's lilith conjunct female's moon/pluto sounds like it would be intense. Too bad they don't count the trines, or there would be a lilith trine venus/eros exact lol

posted December 01, 2007 12:29 AM            

Can someone offer their opinion on synastry of (woman's) 2H/Lilith conjunct (man's) 9H/Uranus in Libra??? I might add they are both 'foreigners' since they were each born in different countries (thinking of the man's 9H placement)

posted December 01, 2007 05:43 AM              

isis being light n motherhood n kaali/lilith being darkness , all of them ganging upo on my sun n moon have made me an aspiring goddess :biggrin:
no kidding. it fires me to see men disrespecting women n thinking them as second best. same way a woman making compromises in a relationship that belittle her enrage me. that is LILITH.i alweays believed a woman was an equal , complement to a man.
my mon says i m the most powerful person she knows. not woman, person.

posted December 01, 2007 01:33 PM            

I'll take your word for it then with trines, how would you say you feel the effects?

posted December 01, 2007 01:47 PM              

The same goes with my sun.
With time, he made me confront my inner ghosts related to my Self Being and personality - Ego aspects - this envolves pain of course,but then the "enlightment" and the acceptance of our "inperfections" and the confortable feeling that we are most vulnerable when we show our darker faces,but still, the other person is there,and strangely almost that was expecting what we showed ( the incontrollable things we hang inside,the deeper things).

posted December 02, 2007 02:33 PM              

Venus

I havent red that DD´s thread..what´s Priapus all about?

Well, i went take a look at our h21,h22 and h19 as asked and here it is:

His intp. Perigee is at his 12th house,in 20 Cancer,exaclty conjuncting my Draco AC

His osc. Apogee and intp. Apogee are in his 6th, conj his Isis/Orisis.

In sinastry his Int Perigree kikunk my Lilith,sextile my Moon and trine my Amor

His Osc Apogee trine my Sun/VX/Juno and sextle my Kaali

His Intp Apogee trine my Sun;Kikunkx Valentine.Skuare AC and sextile Osc Perigree

MY

intp. Perigee iS on my 11th,conj my Venus anc conj my Draco Psyche.

Osc Apogee is in 5th - conj my Draco Kiron.

Intp Apogee is in my 4th - conj my Ceres/Lilith/Siva. Opose my karma

in sinastry :

my Int Perigree skuare his kiron/siva. Sextile his Pluto.Trine his Juno and conj his Kaali.

My osc. Apogee skuare his Mars/VX/Valentine. Trine his NN exact

My intp. Apogee conj his Moon.Trine his Merc/Valentine. Sextile his MC/VX. Conj his D Kiron.

posted December 03, 2007 03:21 PM              

I just did Venus

And that thread resonated a lot with me indeed - finally makes sense the Lilith in the sinastry.

I view it as a good thing ~- not easy but needed - pain and suffering, confrontation of our inner ghosts,repressed feelings and angers and traumas, transformation through lovemaking also ( i believe in the sacretness of sex and so does he)- all of this is Lilith and each of us has it.

posted December 04, 2007 08:49 AM              

here's a rough draft of what I've compiled so far ~ comments encouraged!

Interpreting Lilith can be confusing & tricky, but what else would you expect from this complex & emotionally charged figure?

First, one should figure out which Lilith is being discussed:

Asteroid #1181 - Lilith, symbol kind of like a hand with a hook tail, can be added to the chart options on astro.com ~ represents split off, demonized aspects of the feminine, the result of long standing cultural projections that percieve feminine roles & attributes as shameful, untrustworthy & dangerous; also issues surrounding motherlessness & adoption/mentoring

Black Moon Lilith - symbol of a crescent moon over a cross, I think the mean value can be added to the chart options on astro.com - there are both the true & mean values for this point, which is not a physical astronomical body, but a mathematical point derived from the positions of both the Earth & Moon ~ the placement of Black Moon Lilith shows the area of our lives where we can be inspired to find a completely new or alternative way to express & define the personal empowerment emanating from our feminie nature ~ indicates where a cycle of destruction & release of old images can result in a renewed sense of personal freedom & power ~ can bestow great rewards if we are willing to pay the painful price of letting go ~ one must make a difficult choice or a sacrifice to overcome the urge to conform ~ has a strong impact on relationship dynamics ~ signifies the emotional intelligence informed by the wisdom of earthly instinct ~ is where we are lured into our more self-centered illusions for the purpose of purging negative desires ~ an energy vortex that cuts through the veils of illusion with the sword of truth

Dark Moon Lilith - symbol is a circle with a slash through it, hypothetical second moon of Earth that is rarely seen, as it doesn't travel in an orbit that is normally seen from Earth - ephemeris available is questionable ~ rules a more sophisticated creative desire than the Moon ~ appears to be a mode of transmission for the awakening & impersonalizing influence of Uranus & the transformational ray of Pluto ~ describes the impersonal needs of the social-collective self ~ emotionally maturing force, indicates where one must overcome naive or childish expectancies ~ moves one to extremes, either positive or negative ~ repesents raw urges that are, for the most part hidden in the personal orientation lest the individual expose part of him/herself that he/she does not understand, making one vulnerable or to appear strangely different ~ specializes talent & greatly sharpens the mind ~ releases a unique social talent by house position & a specialty interest by sign that seeks outlet as,in or through the vocation ~ when negative, brings susceptibility to strange influences, unusual fascinations, infatuations and/or compulsions

The Trinity of Lilith:
Esentially Tantric ~ Lilith in her several forms transforms subjective to spiritual. Her impersonal energy opens transparent areas of the mind, not clouded by the weight of collective judgements or limitations of ego identity. The 3 aspects vibrate at different frequencies, in chords & octaves, opening channels to clear & spiritualize the emotional body. The cycle of our Lilith experience is initiated by the asteroid Lilith, developed by the Dark Moon Lilith & completed by the Black Moon Lilith.

In general:
Lilith inhabits the astral or psychic plane ~ the middle region around the spine which connects the snake (kundalini) & the bird (consciousness).
Lilith show that the energies of destruction can be transmuted & taken up into creative destructuring of the old civilization, already outgrown.
Imagine Lilith as the deep-rooted Shekinah, like the roots of the tree seeking sustinance in the soil, while Sophia is the sky-reaching branches & fruits.
Lilith challenges both men & women to connect with their instinctive passion for life ~ for this natural force denied, unfulfilled, caged or exiled, turns destructive.

Awake, O thou whom my soul loveth & come,
Come into my garden, where the spices flow out.
Come into your garden & eat the pleasant fruits.
Come to the temple for the holy rites of love.
Set me as a seal upon thine heart.
Set your soul free.

Her prophecy:
I hurt. I am ill. What is this place where the children live in cement boxes & eat chemicals for food? The land is burning with the raging fires of war. My trees are cut down, ruthlessly uprooted; animals thanklessly consumed; my life blood spilled out for greed. I cannot live here. I must go.... But the flood plains of my heart will pour out over the land & you will hear my voice in the howling winds & the hurricanes ~ in the earthquakes & the volcanoes!

Hug then thy dream,
Poor fool! I am no dream, who offer thee
Rapture & peace at the cost of sterile pride.

Thou dost deny & question, but mine eyes
Gleam on thee, being lit with alien light;
My lips proclaim thee mysteries; mine arms
Are bond for all thy doubts, not mist nor mud,
But all that gods desire & fools reject:
Behold me!

My name thou knowest not & yet shalt know,
And know too late. But know thou this indeed:
Joy is my sister, sister I to Death.

He conquers me
Who dares to pay my price. My price thou
know'st.
~ from the play Lilith, by George Sterling, 1919

Unremembered Country:
As I go into the Earth, she pierces my heart. As I penetrate further, she unveils me. When I have reached her center, I am weeping openly. I have known her all my life, yet she reveals stories to me & these stories are revelations & I am transformed. Each time I go to her I am born like this. Her renewal washes over me endlessly, her wounds caress me; I become aware of all that has come between us, of the noise between us, the blindness, of something sleeping between us. Now my body reaches out to her.

Lilith is sometimes referred to as the "hand of Innana" or the "mirror opposite of Innana", also, "the Maid of Desolution" who dances in the ruins of cities & "the little girl left out". Other names include: Anthichthon, Agrat, Mahalat & Druj.

posted December 04, 2007 08:50 AM              

In a woman's horoscope Lilith represents which part of life the woman plays a strong role in & her power.

In a man's chart, Lilith reveals what type of woman he 'fears' & the type of woman that can drive him over the edge, often to despair. She may also represent hidden power struggles & unresolved issues with women in his life.

In the charts of both sexes, Lilith shows us what we are most secretive about & represents sexual passion. Lilith magnifies revenge, rage, witches, psychics, the temptress & the shadow.

In Aries:
Lilith is straight-forward about her sexuality & may use it to feel powerful. Applied in a negative manner, there may be temper tantrums or bratty behavior. Lilith often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships. Perhaps you are restlessly changing possible life partners without committing yourself because there is always something wrong with them. With flirting you are courageous & successful, possibly tending to one night stands. You are fair, fighting for justice & peace.

In Taurus:
Lilith may hide money or possessions & there will be a great deal of secrecy regarding finances. This can also indicate miserliness or a refusal to share one's resources with others. Lilith gives extrodinary love for beauty & big emotional activity. You look for your security needs in a relationship, contacting others by flirting. Others can attract you with gifts & property & you probably achieve material security in partnerships, but you may become disturbed by the material dependance.

In Gemini:
When Lilith hides herself among the twins, she may exhibit a chameleon-like ability to be whoever she must be at the moment, hiding her true thoughts & feelings. If used improperly, the native may be considered "two-faced" or be a vicious gossip. Lilith here usuallly causes a strive for independence, especially in intelecitual areas ~ work in literary arts or public relations. You have a diplomatic & psychological intuition & can entertain very well. Tending to superficialness & objectivity is limited because you can become enticed and/or bound by ideas easily. You like to change partners without their input, & even your own knowledge. Emotions can be suppressed, unnoticed and/or converted to rationalities.

In Cancer:
Hidden emotions may come out in ways that affect the physical health. When expressed in ways that are healthy, Lilith's influence here makes the native a powerful parent or an activist for the protection of children. When negative, there may be chronic or psychomatic illness or the tendency toward martyrdom. You like to entertain many people in your home, where you can enjoy meals with them & have emotional and psychological discussions. In family matters you are inclined to not recognize things or situations correctly or you don't want to admit to situations and/or circumstances because you become enticed by unrealistic opinions very easily.

In Leo:
Lilith in Leo wants to be admired, but she'll never admit it. In creative expression, she will do things her own way & never feel obliged to explain herself. taken to extremes, she becomes the prima donna, demanding & unforgiving. You are easily enticed to go to parties where you can set yourself on stage. You want to participate in bets & speculation, even against your intuition. You know how to flirt & manipulate people for the general weel-being. You are probably well-known due to your charming character.

In Virgo:
Lilith in Virgo will often make the native very secretive or repressed in their sexual expression & there will be much attention to health-related details & hygene. When negative, can be very cold & aloof or extremely critical of the habits of others. Lilith blurrs objectivity & lets you express criticisms at the wrong times. You simply don't want to committ yourself & are orientationless regarding occupation & partnerships. Other people may become confused by you, because this position produces paradoxes in almost all areas of life. You tend between committment & autonomy urges, between social contact & retreat. Psychological & analytic abilities are almost unsurpassingly strong & your intuition is top notch. Unfortunately, you may not be conscious of your abilities or you may not want to admit to them.

In Libra:
Lilith in Libra may find herself concerned with the legalistic side of power. She is a defender of women here, supportive of laws that curtail abuse or sexual crimes. taken to extremes, she may be vindictive against those she perceives to be offenders & in a relationship may be clinging, jealous and/or manipulative. You like to flirt & manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You break up, or let break, relationships because you vary between commitment & autonomy urges. You don't want to admit to being wrong about your conceptions concerning other people, or you don't want to see their true character. You may consider yourself completely different, contrary to others or completely misjudged. You have wisdom & intuition, as well as psychological & musical ability, but you may be aunaware of it. You desire emotional loyalty from your life partner & you want to be accepted emotionally. You probably have very high standards & requirements in partnerships.

In Scorpio:
May be a co-ruler of Scorpio with Pluto. Here, she is powerfully sexual, hypnotic, seductive & wise. When under a negative influence, she can become bitter, vengeful and/or obsessed. You may be enticed easily by sexuality & subordinate yourself to a more powerful partner. The danger exists that you don't recognize this power at all. You have to deal with setbacks, accidents & symbolic, as well as real, deaths ~ although there are usually opportunities to avoid danger before it appears. You may be addicted to danger. Possible death experience in childhood, leading to the perspective of death as an inevitable part of life & great psychological regenerative ability.

In Sagittarius:
Lilith may hide her emotions beneath a facade of humor or a mask of "niceness". She may keep her personal philosophies secret from others, keeping her own counsel. In the negative, this placement can indicate haughtiness, self-righteousnes & prejudice. Lilith confronts you with temptations of educational journies. You quickly jump at the opportunity to travel & learn. Well-meaning missionary & manipulative intent. Popular because you try to apply diplomacy & fairness. Other people could take advantage of you, as you spread your optimism & generosity thin, or you could tend to misjudge others.

In Capricorn:
Lilith will hardly ever share any emotions & these natives may seem unapproachable. Achievement & status will be the method employed to feed the hidden need for emotional contact. At its extremes, here is the anal retentive who must control everything. Lilith will hardly let you resist the temptations of fame, status & power. You can bring yourself much trouble, as you don't want to admit to the actual nature of these. You try to change others & can supress their inner values completely. You look for autonomy, but won't grant it to others.

In Aquarius:
Lilith will probably mask the hidden emotions with a series of ever-changing kaleidoscopic surface emotions & will seem fascinating & elusive to others. The native may be chimerical, fluttering like a fairy from one situation to the next. At her worst, Lilith is irresponsible, remote & refuses to listen to others. Lilith lets you misjudge your fiends easily. You strive for autonomy with manipulative methods & psychological tricks & reject tight interpersonal relationships ~ considering partnerships over friendships. Your fairness, tolerance, global thinking & humanity are noticable. Although highly intuitive, may tend to deny certain obvious situatons.

In Pisces:
Lilith is alreadt secretive & doubly (quadruply?) so in Pisces. This is usually th eperson who has emotional wounding buried so deeply that they don't even know it themselves. Lilith's placement here may instigate behaviors which even the native finds baffling & is often associated with passive-aggressive & unconscious behavioral patterns. Lilith can produce high-grade blurriness. Perhaps you repudiate yourself & don't recognize your internal needs or you don't want to allow them for yourself. Fantasy, artistic sense & inspiration are very strong here. In addition, this position shows the danger to succumb to illusions again & again. Possibly your whole life does not appear 'real' but 'virtual'. May engage in crimes on purpose.

** By making peace with & embracing our own darkest emotions, we can integrate ourselves. Lilith is one of the keys in astrology which can help us attain that goal.

In cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Capricorn & Libra):
We must start something, but life & other people will decide, in place of us, if our initiatives will be realized or not.

In mutable signs (Gemini, Pisces, Sagittarius & Virgo):
The ever-changing life, inside or outside us, is so strong that our inner anxiety is at a very deep degree.

In fixed signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio & Aquarius):
There will be blocks to our personal dynamic running.

In fire element (Aries, Leo, Sagittarius):
We are obliged to endure the changes in our lives, changes we can't control but we have to adapt to ourselves.

In earth element (Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn):
We will not have the life we dreamed of.

In air element (Gemini, Libra, Aquarius):
Our mind, our thoughts must change. Our contacts must be re-newed.

In water element (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces):
The intuitive perceptions are so strong that clarivoyant, mediumistic, etc. abilities arise.

Having Lilith at the beginning of a sign ~
we have to start on a new road & search for ourselves.

Having Lilith at the end of a sign ~
we must get rid of our karmic problems before going any further & we have to get our strengths ready for the next sign. Here there is a turning point to take.

posted December 04, 2007 08:52 AM              

LILITH IN THE 1st HOUSE lets you always fight impulsively and initiatively for liberalism and fairness. You have ingenuity and foam over with energy in relations, partnerships and public-referred interests. With sexual adventures you can get enticed easily and if someone offers a leading role to you, you take it without thinking. In this position there is a tendency to come into problematic situations repeatedly, and also to understand the life life-worthy only as a kind of nonstop action.

LILITH IN THE 2nd HOUSE directs efforts on hedonistic activities and the acquisition of property. Quickly you succumb to material temptations, and you accumulate properties. You probably don't recognize the problems coming along with that, or you don't want to admit them at all, you don't react, but look for harmony and have a sense of art. Perhaps you regret it soon, if you commit yourself in a partnership, especially if you went into financial dependence.

LILITH IN THE 3rd HOUSE can cause misunderstandings and misjudgings while looking on yourself or on other persons. Perhaps it is not clear to you, how much independence you need, or you even don't want to admit that at all. Therefore you terminate relationships when they become seriously, or you go into a relationship, but get very unhappy with it. You don't want to commit yourself and you also need mental liberty. You feel safe with informal contacts, to which you are looking intensively for, and you can get tempted to meetings without problems.

LILITH IN THE 4th HOUSE looks for fulfilment in family, home and homeland. Probably you suffer from the missing autonomy, anyhow you don't get lucky. You gladly invite to meals and meet the whole family to communicative happenings. You strive for harmony and diplomacy, but are inclined to misjudge your fellow beings. Possibly there is discord between understanding and feeling.

LILITH IN THE 5th HOUSE spreads charisma, but possibly lets you misjudge your children. It can lead to fatal misunderstandings, if you don't use your intuition and wisdom with children. Maybe it comes to manipulations on one side or even mutually. You are maybe a phoney and like to set yourself on stage. Gladly you surround yourself with luxury and look for harmony, need a lot of freedom. You easily succumb to the temptation to take part in speculations.

LILITH IN THE 6th HOUSE often lets you succumb to rational temptations of perfection, correctness and hygiene. On the other hand also an irrational, intuitive attraction shows up. A fight between understanding and feeling could occur here. Perhaps you internally hate all the perfection and such things. You may misjudge the reality frequently, and you take the liberty to place criticism without the necessary objectivity at the same time. Your psychological understanding is very noticeably and perhaps you find your healing in helping other people, in healing and in sympathy for others. In partnerships and relations it could come to a conflict between your thirst for autonomy and an urge to commit yourself to the other. If your public life gets too stressful you may tend to retreat from it for a while.

LILITH IN THE 7th HOUSE causes a fight between a commitment urge and a strive for independence. Perhaps you are able to analyze your own psychological situation in every detail, but you succumb to the temptation to change nothing, showing the same behaviors again and again, of which you know exactly that you harm yourself. Gladly you manipulate your fellow beings with best intentions and flirts are your speciality. Also, you love the music and show your mediating, always fair and harmony-referring nature.

LILITH IN THE 8th HOUSE brings you in contact with power. Perhaps you don't notice it at all, or you don't want to admit that people use their power. There is also the possibility that you misjudge your own power by suppressing others. Possibly you expose yourself consciously to dangers or get enticed to dangerous and or sexual activities. This position usually brings contacts with deaths and losses in early years. By your internal wisdom you understood with the years that death is a part of the life.

LILITH IN THE 9th HOUSE makes optimistically, generous and gives interest in philosophy and religion. You strive very intensively for education and overload yourself with knowledge. There is the possibility, that others misjudge you or take advantage of you, or you negate your abilities or don't want to admit them. You need a lot of independence and are characterized by honesty, fairness and love for justice. You gladly are missionary and make use of your psychological understanding. Possibly others misunderstand you, and there exists a danger of getting enticed by very high and honourable, but not daily ideals making you appearing as unworldly and queer to your fellow beings. You would never say no to an education journey and immediately get into the airplane, also, the temptation of an emigration is very big here, whereby the danger of idealizing the destination of the emigration exists, and you may later realize to have been a victim of an illusion. If you meet your probably permanent desires to travel far away by just doing it, you may come in contact to many interesting people, and thus you will be able to extend your horizon.

LILITH IN THE 10th HOUSE lets you gladly manipulate other perople. You strive for fame, power and status, but may not recognize the side effects of these things or you recognize them, but suppress or don't admit them at the same time. The result can be problems, restrictions and in the long run bitterness and discords, which you consider as an interference factor in your life surely. Either you don't accept that another one has power over you, or you are not consciously about others that use their power to your disadvantage at all. And thus you surely are in conflict with leading persons permanently, if you are aware of this, because you need very much freedom, and therefore you also could avoid partnerships or allow them to be on a friendship level only. Probably your demands are much too high, and you overload yourself with responsibilities within the areas of partnership and public relations. This position tempts to taboo breakings, to a questioning of conventions and undemocratic social structures.

LILITH IN THE 11th HOUSE brings strong autonomy efforts. You are very tolerant and open to unusualnesses, surely have strange, but very creative artistic attitudes and prefer open partnerships, that others would rather consider as friendships only. You look for adventurous friendships, but could tend to misjudge the kind of your friends natures, or you don't want to admit them. Intuition and wisdom are nevertheless very strong, as well as your inventor talent. You like to present your eccentric nature.

posted December 04, 2007 12:21 PM              

In Cancer:
Hidden emotions may come out in ways that affect the physical health. When expressed in ways that are healthy, Lilith's influence here makes the native a powerful parent or an activist for the protection of children. When negative, there may be chronic or psychomatic illness or the tendency toward martyrdom. You like to entertain many people in your home, where you can enjoy meals with them & have emotional and psychological discussions. In family matters you are inclined to not recognize things or situations correctly or you don't want to admit to situations and/or circumstances because you become enticed by unrealistic opinions very easily.

posted December 04, 2007 04:58 PM              

Thankx but i only transcripted the information - the merit is from the girl of the forum that made all this research!

I specially liked the Trinity of Lilith, and through the text "Awake O thou whom my soul loveth e come.." we can really incorporate in our minds so well whats all about Lilith.

My bf ´s Lilith in CAP is really fitting there - "Achievement & status will be the method employed to feed the hidden need for emotional contact" - this is a Huge Issue in him - i already asked myself this many times..why in the Earth a guy like him,so unique and above little Mundane things..would take such great importance on status and achievement of power?Above others mainly..he feels like if he doesnt reach higher and higher , others wont respect him and admire him..
Its in his 6th and there like its said, he has a huge psychological understanding and could use it in profit of others

My KLilith is in my 5th in the cusp. I dont have children myself so i hope not to be like what its said

Its in Aqua,and i do seem chimerial ( i liked this word..) - as i tend to hide and keep myself more secret than others..But i dont consider myself manipulative or misjudjing others though - i agree with the part of being fair,tolerate and with a very global thinking ( Libra AC perhaps also)

posted January 01, 2008 11:31 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted May 02, 2008 08:11 PM            

I've got Lilith in virgo conjunct my south node and juno. And right on that spot is venus of someone that i'm currently attracted too. There's definitly a bond forming but unfortunately the other person is currently involved so this might be nothing. maybe the issue is that that's my 6th house so no immidiate attraction. ah well

I am curious to see how will transiting saturn influence both of us.

posted May 02, 2008 10:47 PM            

I have my Venus conj. someone's Lilith/North Node in our 7th (we have the same DC). Our relationship could be considered taboo in a few different ways. There is an intense attraction, but we have so many other aspects, it's hard to differentiate.

Here's a link with a thread about it. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2613