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Topic: Fine Line Between The Schizophrenic And The Neurodivergent
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 02:27 PM
I believe that there is a fine line between the schizophrenic and the neurodivergent. The symptoms are very similar. The thing is that they are people that are not normal. It seems that if a person is not normal,then they are more likely to be seen as crazy,psychotic,or other things before they are even known as neurodivergents. Normal doesn't mean good nor right. Psychiatric diagnoses are based on the biases of society. They are based on what is acceptable to the majority.I want to go over some configurations that can fit in with Schizophrenics but also Neurodivergents Hard Mercury-Neptune aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mercury and Neptune,hard aspects to Neptune in 3rd,Neptune in hard aspect to a planet in 3rd can be indicators for neurological problems that can include confusion,distortion,and disorganization in the processing of neurological functioning.......this can also indicate misunderstandings in communications........also nonlinear, idealistic,imaginative,visualizing thought processesses Hard Mercury-Saturn aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mercury and Saturn,hard aspects to Saturn in 3rd,hard Saturn aspects to a planet in 3rd can be indicators for neurological problems that can include hesitant,slow,and delays in the processing of neurological functioning.......this can also indicate shyness in communicates....but also linear,careful,compensatory thought processes Hard Mars-Neptune aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mars and Neptune can be indicators for motor coordination problems that can include weakness of muscles,or disorganized actions.....this can also indicate confusing,misunderstood,clumsy actions.....also idealistic,compassionate actions Hard Mars-Saturn aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mars and Saturn can be indicators for motor coordination problems that can include slow muscular development,and delays of motor milestones.....this can indicate shy,slow awkward,actions......careful,compensatory actions Hard Saturn aspects could indicate insecurity, restrictions,limitations,slowness,hesitance,and shyness involving a certain area as well as late milestones..also hyposensitivity found in sensory integration issues..it can also indicate overly compensating.......but also learning things the hard way,cautious,mature,disciplined Hard Neptune aspects could indicate insecurity, misunderstandings,confusion,disorganization,victimization involving a certain area as well as hypersensitivity found in sensory integration issues,misdiagnoses,drugs,medications,addictions.....but also empathetic,compassionate Hard Moon aspects could indicate hypersensitivity,being overly emotional,insecurity as well as possible brain issues....but also nurturing,emotionally relating,supportive Hard Uranus aspects could indicate being unusual,weird,not fitting in.....bringing about change,being progressive,being an activist Hard Pluto aspects could indicate trauma,abuse,betrayal,trust issues,suspiciousness involving a certain area....could indicate psychological issues,needing psychoanalysis,hard experiences with psychiatrists.......regeneration,will power,intensity Hard Chiron aspects could indicate being "special" like in special education, dealing with pain,being wounded........compassionate/empathetic through painful experiences,healing,teaching,special skills hypothetical: Hard Eris aspects could indicate diversity issues,intolerance,civil/equal rights violations,bigotry involving a certain area.....but also standing up for one's self and others, being an advocate Could a lot of Schizophrenics be actually misdiagnosed Dylsexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers,Aspergers? I believe so! Patients with schizophrenia are likely to have problems reading, reveals a study that shows some may even have impairments similar to those seen in patients with dyslexia. http://www.patienthealthinternational.com/ncm.aspx?type=news¶m=14509 The ability to recognize objects is a fundamental cognitive task in every sensory modality, e.g., for friend/foe discrimination, social communication, reading, or hearing, and its loss or impairment is associated with a number of neural disorders (e.g., in autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia). http://neuro.georgetown.edu/faculty/riesenhuber.htm History: Most children who develop schizophrenia have disturbances of behavior and cognition prior to the onset of characteristic symptoms of psychosis. Delays in speech and language and delays in acquisition of motor milestones are noted in approximately one half of these children. Children who develop schizophrenia have higher rates of impaired social skills and school achievement prior to presenting signs of schizophrenia http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2057.htm (Delays in Speech and language are signs of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and Autism. Delays in acquisition of motor milestones are signs of Dyspraxia. Impaired social skills are signs of Aspergers,Autistics. Impaired school achievement is common in Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers.) Language Disorder In Schizophrenia As A Developmental Disorder by Ruth Condray Language disorder is increasingly understood to be an important characteristic of schizophrenia. The hypothesis advanced here is that receptive language disorder in schizophrenia represents a learning disorder that involves a neurodevelopmental etiology. It is argued that receptive language disorder may involve a preexisting developmental reading disorder for a subgroup of schizophrenia patients. Whether the language disorder of schizophrenia is equivalent,phenotypically and etiologically, to the language disorder of dyslexia is an open question. Although schizophrenia and dyslexia are separate clinical disorders, independent lines of evidence are suggestive of parallels between their hallmark features,cognitive dysfunction, and potential pathophysiology. http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=language+disorder+in+schizophrenia+a\ s+developmental+learning+disorder+ruth+condray&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.wpic.\ pitt.edu/research/biometrics/Publications/Biometrics%2520Archives%2520PDF/890-20\ 05%2520Condary%2520Sz%2520Res%2520Lang%2520Disord.pdf&w=language+disorder+disord\ ers+schizophrenia+developmental+learning+disorder+ruth+condray&d=C42Ma_L9PnCY&ic\ p=1&.intl=us I created a petition to stop the misdiagnosing of neurodivergents and prevent the unnecessary medicating which can cause serious damage on an emotional and physical level. This would involving having psychiatrists to have their patients undergo psychological and neurological testing and not just go by observations. You can't judge a book by its cover. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-the-misdiagnosing-of-neurodivergents Raymond Andrews member of International Dyslexia Association,Learning Disability Association,The Dyslexia Foundation, National Association for the Education of African American Children with Learning Disabilities and donate to National Center of Learning Disabilities,Hello Friend/Ennis Cosby Foundation and The National Center for Learning Disabilities my LD/ADHD Assessment,Dr. Levinson Testing, Veteran Affairs Neurological/Neuropsyche Testing http://astynaz.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 02:36 PM
The url for the last one came out screwed up. I apologize http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&p=language+disorder+in+schizophrenia+as+developmental+learning+disorder+ruth+condray&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&_intl=us 1. Language disorder in schizophrenia as a developmental learning disorder also please feel free to email me at
astynaz@yahoo.com or even msg me on yahoo messenger astynaz as my ID satabishara@sbcglobal.net I hope that you will support my effort to save neurodivergents from misdiagnoses and health abuse.
Intolerance of Diversity is the greatest problem on our planet. peace Raymond
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posted December 01, 2007 03:41 PM
Thank you for posting this, I couldn't agree more with what you say about psychiatric analysis being based on the "norms" of our society...I have actually thought about this since thinking about my natal chart more..I've always thought I had strange issues with self-control, impulsiveness, ADD, OCD, self-esteem issues, being weird, unusual, and very "out there". Funny that my chart includes some hard aspects you listed above - namely those to do with Mercury, Moon, and Uranus (all being in Sag. i'm an odd one  I have also known people whose problems have correlated in more than one way to their charts. Very interesting. IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 04:34 PM
Glaucus, where have you been we've missed you around here! Glad to see you back again  ------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer "I seem to have the blind self-acceptance of the eccentric who can't conceive that his eccentricities are not clearly understood" IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1120 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 04:50 PM
Glaucus Welcome Back! It is so good to see you You have been missed  IP: Logged |
OzMeg222 Newflake Posts: 0 From: victoria, australia Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 06:50 PM
WOW! Howdy stranger! You've been missed, welcome back Raymond!  IP: Logged |
BornUnderDioscuri Moderator Posts: 49 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 11:37 PM
HIYYAAA!!! OMG its so great to have you back!!Oddly i have been thinking about this myself. As a Psychology major im sure it will come back and bite me in the butt, but honestly wats the difference between a schizo and a medium/psychic/prophet? Many ppl see/hear things...those are primary diagnoses for schizophrenia but what if they really do hear and see those things...even better what if they are people with extra sensory ability who simply cannot handle the stimuli overload.... That plagues my mind way too much... IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 02, 2007 12:41 AM
Hi all,Thank you for your warm,kind words! I missed the people in Linda Goodman forum. I was wrong for leaving just because I had disagreements with a few people. It did teach me that I should be careful with how I do a reading for people. Not everybody is going to agree with me and they could even misunderstand me, and that's just the way things go. I just have to deal with it. I need to stop caring too much about how others think and feel about me which is part of my Anxiety Disorder. I have no hard feelings. The thing that got me angry was telling me I can't relate to Pisces stuff....especially when I share Pisces Moon with my father,and shared a lot of Pisces traits with him...and share a Pisces Moon with my grandfather who was the person that loved more than anybody except my mother and whose suicide opened the door for me to get into Astrology. I even clearly expressed how I could relate to the Pisces traits even the literal stuff like being an excellent natural swimmer since I was 3 years,and I was even told that I swim like a fish. I believe that people are more than just their sunsign. I was skeptical of Astrology until I found out about moonsigns. That's all I want to say about that. I don't want to ramble. I got my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia confirmed by Veteran Affairs neurologists on December 11, 2006. My fight to get my learning disabilities recognized have been successful. They are documented for the first time since my special education years in my early childhood. Schools should keep special education records for life. They could be used to defend people and prevent misdiagnoses. Now with my recognized and documented Dyslexia,Dyspraxia, it makes me more credible as a learning disability,Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,neurodivergent advocate who has firsthand experience with these conditions. It also can help me be a psychiatry reform activist in regards to making sure that neurodivergent people are not misdiagnosed as having serious psychiatric disorders and put on medications. I realized that my posting about neurodivergent conditions and my experience with these conditions would help raise awarness about these conditions. Expressing the importance of astrologers understanding neurodivergent conditions and the astrological indicators for them was part of my advocacy too. I realized that I did too little. I wasn't being enough of an advocate. That's why I have stepped it up. I joined newsgroups pertaining to learning disabilities,psychological,psychiatric matters, and I have been posting my essays in regards to learning disabilities getting psychiatric misdiagnoses. I also started emailing human rights organizations,learning disability organizations, Unitarian Universalist organization(they are known for liberal activism like abolutionism,civil rights),my local magazine ) senator,,governor and president telling them my experience of my learning disabilities misdiagnosed by psychiatrists,the need to differentiate learning disabilities from psychiatric disorders, and even attached my essays about those things. I even decided to make videos on learning disabilities and misdiagnoses in regards to them for people to watch on youtube. Of course,I already created a petition to stop misdiagnosing neurodivergents. I joined MindFreedom International which is is an independent nonprofit coalition defending human rights and promoting humane alternatives for mental and emotional well being. My greatest inspiration is my girlfriend. I actually met her online on the anniversary of my grandfather's suicide. She and I finally met in person June of this year and again on August of this year. She and I really hit it off from the start! The Chemistry between her and me is off the charts! There is strong attraction,connection on every level. The synastry definitely indicated that. That's a lesson of how synastry really works. She and I love each other very much. She and I plan on being with each other for the rest of our lives. I thank God for having her in my life. She loves me in spite of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADHD. I am very grateful for that. She and I love each other conditionally. Our love for each other definitely gives us strength. She was the inspired me to let go of the past and forgive my mom for abusing me and the psychiatrists for misdiagnosing me. She definitely has been a major catalyst for me like soulpartners usually are.
I have been focusing on research. Eris Research has been taking a lot of my time. I have typed up my research. If the owner and moderators of the forum say that it's fine, I will post my research. The Eris article in Mountain Astrologer by Zane Stein inspired me. I believe that my research seems to report Zane Stein's and Roy MacKinnon's preliminary keywords. I haven't been going by only the name,but also events,and orbital symbolism including planetary nodes and perigree/apogee,and perihelion/aphelion. I have Sun conjunct geocentric South Eris Node and oppose geocentric North Eris Node with 9 and 10 minutes respectively too.
Transiting Jupiter in my 4th sextile my Mars in Aquarius in 6th and semisquare my North Node in Aquarius in 5th, Transiting Uranus in my 7th quincunx my Uranus in Libra in 2nd and contraparallel my Ascendant, Solar Arc Uranus conjunct my Venus,and Solar Arc Eris oppose my Mercury indicate my emphasis on activism,advocacy right now.
Thanks again for your kind words. I missed this forum. I wanted to come back,but I was scared. The courage was finally found.
I wish everybody Happy Holidays. 
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posted December 02, 2007 01:38 AM
Welcome back, Glaucus!!!I missed you!------------------ Sun Aqua, Moon Sagg, Asc Taurus IP: Logged |
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posted December 02, 2007 03:10 AM
Glaucus, welcome back! I missed your posts, and I had even thought of you yesterday! I'm so glad you decided to come back.  IP: Logged |
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posted December 02, 2007 04:03 AM
You've been hanging out at www.nodeorama.com haven't you  IP: Logged |
Peri Knowflake Posts: 1848 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 02, 2007 06:46 AM
Welcome back Glaucus  I thought you might find it interesting: quote: The Chart of GeniusThe chart is unbalanced. There is a lack of planets in one element or quality Overstressed or afflicted 3rd house (the mind) A malefic in the 3rd (Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto) The ruler of the 3rd is in close aspect to one or more malefic(s) The 10th house (career, public recognition, fame) is often afflicted A close, stressful connection between the 3rd and the 10th The way this person's mind works interferes with his or her reputation and work in the world. The Ascendant is often afflicted. A malefic is rising or the chart ruler may be in close aspect to a malefic, indicating that the person has difficulty "adjusting" to society or may not be able to at all Connections between the Ascendant and the 3rd house The way this person's mind works interferes with his ability to adapt to everyday life. He also has difficulty expressing his thoughts in a way that others can understand. Mercury is often afflicted by a malefic, especially an outer planet Indications of sexual frustration, inhibition, or transference of sexual values upon other things (art, music, guitar playing, surfing the internet) Jupiter (success) or Venus (money) are often afflicted by Mars, Saturn or Uranus Money is often denied or slow to come. Recognition is hard won if at all. There is a lack of concern for her or his own health, comfort and physical well being that sometimes amounts to shocking negligence, as if s/he were deliberately sacrificing himself or herself for some higher ideal.
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posted December 04, 2007 12:57 AM
WELCOME BACK RAYMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Noreen IP: Logged | |