posted December 07, 2007 09:05 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted December 08, 2007 06:31 PM              

With the first case, it was my BF's VENUS in my own 12th house: I always felt that he could "see through me" in a way, I felt (psychologically) "naked" and quite vulnerable at times. I often had the feeling that he might be "playing games with me", he touched many of my deep seating fears - I always was afraid that he could "laugh" about me, not take me for serious etc. This relationship lasted for almost 5 years - and later on turned out to be one of the most valuable relationships I ever had!!! I really started to miss this kind of "psychological attention" I got from him. For ten years we had hardly any contact - but we started talking to each other again about 2 years ago - and it turned out that he still "knows" me as well as no one else, in a way. Nowadays I can understand, that he just had a very clear sight on my own subconscious drives - that he in fact loved me for my insecurities and vulnerabilities as well. During the relationship I felt frightened and offended very often - too bad! I spoilt many things because of my fears.

In the second case it was my SUN, MARS and MERCURY falling into the guy's 12th house - this lasted for nine years - and to make a long story short: I honestly have the feeling that I turned out to be "parent" to him, after all these years. I'd say that I was sort of a "guidance" to him - which may sound arrogant, but he said that himself when we split. I guess I was the more mature, evolved and ... well ... psychologically dominant person in this relationship. (That's why I split - I was bored, too little "challenge" for me after these years of having patience and understanding and advice for him - putting all my SUN-, MARS- and MERCURY-energy into "making him become a stronger and more responsable person".)

In the third case it is again VENUS in the 12th house - but now it is not the guy's, but my own VENUS falling into his 12th house. This thing is still running, so I have no final conclusion yet. It MIGHT be that he craves my "psychological attention", he WANTS to be "under my survey" in a way - but at the same time he's afraid of that and pulls back very often, when I seem to have "gotten to close" to him. I guess he feels uncomfortable when I see thorugh his pretences and tell him that I "love him for what he REALLY is". I have to treat him with kid gloves most of the time (he carries his own SUN at the cusp of his 12th and his own PLUTO and URANUS in his 12th). At the same time he alluded that he never met anyone like me before, who was interested in him in THAT way.

So - in my experience, a 12th house placement gives some "practical dominance" to the planet-person. He/she would be able to "influence" or "touch" hidden parts of the other person. The house-person MIGHT feel vulnerable or frightened or insecure because of this. The planet-person should take care to live out that planet's energies as tenderly and with as much foresight and responsibility as possible. He/she is some kind of "caretaker" or "advisor" for the 12th house person - depending on the energies of the involved planet(s).

This is my personal experience - and I have experienced both sides of the medal.

posted December 08, 2007 06:32 PM            

I have Pluto in my 12th natally also so anyone even remotely near our age groups is going to have Pluto in our 12th houses….. From my personal experience, we have a double-edged sword here I spent over 4 years with a fella who had Pluto, Sun and Moon in my 12th house. My comments about that relationship could probably fill a book, but to keep it to 1000 words or less, it was a huge learning experience.

Tremendous growth, upheaval, change and hard lessons about delusion and escapism – YES. But mutual spiritual growth?? Possibly – depending on the individuals involved…..

Pluto wants, even “lives,” to impersonally destroy anything that’s stagnant, unhealthy, or not working for us in our lives. That destruction WILL bring pain – those stagnant, unhealthy and not-working things are familiar (“better the devil you know than the devil you don't”). But the obliteration of the “old way” also levels the terrain so Saturn can rebuild it much better, and in a more positive direction for the Life Path you’ve assigned yourself. I think of it like a big old-growth forest – the spreading branches of the tall trees, some of which may be diseased, prevent much light from reaching the forest floor, where the seedlings have sprouted and need nourishment. Pluto is the fire or the terrible windstorm that takes the giants down, so the seedlings can develop.

Here’s the interp from an old astrology/synastry report:

X's Pluto in Zala's 12th house:

There is a deep emotional and psychic tie between you that may not be apparent in the early stages of your relationship, but over time you begin to work together very closely on matters of very deep, personal concern. Together you uncover a lot of previously hidden problems and limitations stemming from early childhood. You probe any fears, phobias, or guilt that limits your ability to live a happy, fulfilling life.

The following are natal Pluto descriptions, but I’d say they might help you to synthesize the planet’s general interps with the areas of life experience provided by the house (Libra/Scorpio for you)…..

Pluto in 12th House: A twelfth house Pluto is powerfully placed psychologically, and means that although the individual can benefit from marvellous self-analysis, it can be very difficult for them to open up to others.
~ http://www.elysian.co.uk/pluto.htm

With Pluto in the 12th House consciousness is opening up to a power which can 'will into being'. Pluto in H12 has access to the Creator’s power and the purposes to which he will use it will reflect his level of development: he can manifest what he lusts after or he can will into being what he knows to be of benefit to mankind. For whatever he brings into being he will be held directly responsible.

A person with this placement of Pluto frequently knows much cruelty and abuse in childhood, be it of a physical, emotional or mental kind, and the perpetrators are usually the parents or guardians who have power over the child by virtue of their custodial role. From them the child has little opportunity to escape at the physical level and in order to get away he forces open a shutter in the mind which gives him access to enormous psychic power.

It is the law of the 12th House that for what is denied at the physical level is compensated at the immaterial.

The power of a person with Pluto in H12 is most readily evidenced by their often unconscious use of what has become known in New Age circles as Creative Visualisation: if he can hold an image or picture an outcome and give it his emotional energy he can bring it into being.

When used consciously, Pluto in H12 gives a person great charisma and the ability to make others into the agents of the outworking of his will. The responsibilities of this are enormous and the karma incurred through the use of the power conferred by Pluto in H12 is unlikely to be burned off in the course of a single lifetime. A person with this placement, if he is to work consciously with his powers, needs to be able to recognise and resist the voice of his desire nature.
~ http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/BookKarmaHouse12.htm

An interesting article and discussion here: http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2006/03/selfundoing_beh.html

LuckySprout ~

If you should ever meet anyone with Pluto in Pisces, I hope you’ll let us know

Zala

posted December 10, 2007 05:01 AM              

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