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LuckySprout
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posted December 08, 2007 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my first post here so I'd like to start with a big helo to everyone

And then I would like to share something that I've been going through in my mind lately. It's about an aspect, not a very pleasant one, it's Sun Pluto conjunction and it looks like it's really fond of my family. It shows up in the charts of four women: there's my grandma (my father's mother) - a Cancer, my mother and her twin sister - Leos, and then there's me - a Libra. So it's not a direct line and I gues the most interesting way of observing this would be from my father's point of view, since he has a mother, a life partner (ex wife, to be exact) and a daughter with this same aspect. There's always been an absence of a strong and reliable male figure within our family and my father is no exception to the rule. They'd been there, the men, just not very well equipped for life in general, not very practical nor resourceful, but more like mellow, benign, sensitive and delicate creatures, artistically or otherwise talented and usually with some martyrish and escapist tendencies thrown into the bargain. The women, though, have all been what you would call "strong", but it's more like they've been constrained to it by the circumstances since they never had a man stronger than themselves to rely on.

As for me, I wouldn't quite consider myself a strong woman, but lately (and i guess this is what I get for being single for way too long), I find myself reasoning kind of like this: So, there really isn't any man out there who could/would like to "take care" of me and if there would be one, would I like that at all? I mean, after all I'm not that good at accepting and receiving, because I
immediately begin to feel like I owe something and that is not a feeling I like. So I guess I'd better just take care of myself the best way I can.
Now, would you consider this meditation a sign of "inner strength" or rather plane bitterness?... No, no...

The real question is, do other women with Sun conjunct Pluto also find it hard to meet someone who would put them at ease, show them that not everything is a matter of life and death, and make them relax and feel like everything is going to be just fine? And then, when they stumble upon a "manly man" type of guy, who could provide all that for them, they only see in him an alpha male (as in Brando in "A Streetcar Named Desire"), which they perceive as somewhat sexy but at the same time primitive and therefore repulsive and threatening to the point of provoking some kind of alergic reaction in them and then they run away like the wind, despite the fact they've always claimed that this is exactly the type of man they are looking for, and than they settle down with someone.... well... less threatening? What's up with that? Do they all feel destined in some way to become the general manager and caretaker for themselves and other members of their family and do they all think it's utterly uconcievable for a woman to yield and relax one single little bit? I honestly can't imagine any sane man who would be willing to tollerate this attitude. It's castrating, really. I've seen this pattern with my parents' relationship and it's a heart-breaking thing to watch. I love my mum, but I don't want to become her - a woman who has virtually disappeared under her own ego.

I'm completely aware that other aspects and positions in my chart should have their say on this, for example my virgo moon or scorpio venus, but right now I'm interested in this particular conjunction. And so I guess the final question is, how can one integrate such contradictive energies (a libra Sun! + Pluto) and transform them into a happy and "haunting worry-free" life, full of love and void of codependent relatioships and emotional vampirism? I feel like I should resolve this aspect, before another unsuspecting soul wonders into our family and inherits it, but I have no clue whatsoever as to how to do that. Actually, I don't even know what the right resolution would be. Help, please.... ? If you are a happy Sun-Pluto person, or you know one, please, let me know the secret. It would be interesting to hear how this aspect is expressed when in a man's chart, too. Also, any suggestions as to the topic related literature would be highly appreciated.

Thanks, knowflakes

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lalalinda
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posted December 08, 2007 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello and Welcome to LL LuckySprout

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Karyl Jackson
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Lucky Sprout - welcome!! Sun connecting to Pluto certainly empowers you, so you can use more of the cosmic energy to your advantage. You can provide powerful spark with others to bring happiness and optimism to others. That is really soemthing good. Don't look to others though for your sense of self. Create your own spark, your own self and you will be able to be a positive influence for others. Your name should be Lucky Spark - you can start happiness wherever you go.

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Welcome LuckySprout and top of the mornin' to ya.

I'm sorry you're having a tough go at the lessons that the aspect Sun/Pluto all nestled together bring. I also have Sun/Pluto conjunct in Libra. Sun10Libra and Pluto11Libra in the 4th house. What house is your conjunction in? I quite enjoy this aspect myself. Perhaps I can say some positive things about it and the food for thought will start to taste sweeter rather than bitter?! Things are always how we perceive them to be. The Sun/Pluto conjunction in Libra is quite fun because we're definitely more than meets the eye (yes I ripped that off from Transformers).

I like what you said here: "...So I guess I'd better just take care of myself the best way I can." Yes indeed! Once you are comfy doing that - as above, so below - you will attract your perfect match.

Anyway, I am happy. I enjoy the intensity Pluto brings to my Sun. If you have any particular questions for me, please let me know! Your situation does sound different than mine but we are both empathic Libras so maybe I can help you. I also have Venus in Scorpio. You probably know this, but if you don't, it means that we have Pluto & Venus in Mutual Reception.

I want to type out some stuff that I've found in some of my books about the Sun & Pluto...

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Sun and Pluto, Personal Aspect
A Super Aspect, it is especially helpful in making money and greatly increases competitive skills and the desire and willingness to duel to the death. Such natives are driven, resourceful, and hate to lose, even when the stakes are low. The aspect also provides remarkably judicious business and investing acumen; therefore, the natives are often highly successful and consider themselves masters of the universe. <<I think they ripped that off from He-Man!>> The downside is that the native is often overly self-centered and uncompromising, with an ego too big to fit into some relationships.
Super Aspect = In Magi Astrology, one of 15 aspects discovered by the Magi Society that bestows to the native a significant advantage in achieving fame and fortune, or success in general
(Above)Magi Astrology: The Key to Success in Love and Money by Magi Society. I am not really into the Magi stuff, but I do like some of their definitions. I found some insight in this one so I posted it.

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Sun conjunct Pluto
The power of this conjunction gives a desire for recognition from others. These individuals will work hard to obtain some type of significance in society's eyes. They are strong-willed and like to have their own way, but should learn to compromise. They have natural leadership qualities, but their tendency to be secretive about their motives should be abolished. A good leader is one who is open with his people at all times. Most people can accept human frailties in their leaders, but abhor hidden truths.

...Individuals born with Pluto in Libra will be adaptable, cooperative, with a talent for compromising. They will have to watch their tendency to be insincere and evasive. These individuals have a compelling need to achieve harmony.


(Above)A Spiritual Approach To Astrology by Myrna Lofthus

Ok next next 2 are separate Sun in Libra and then Pluto in Libra from the book Meditations on Planets in Signs by J Davis. These are my favorite, so here goes...

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Sun in Libra
Essence: The sense of self in union with others.

The sun in Libra is the symbol of self in relationships - for the evolving personality, the power of sun as ego-center is lessened in the sign because relationships call upon the individual to go beyond the self. This position symbolizes a sense of separation or incompleteness and consequent desire for unity. For the emotionally polarized person, it is a sign intensifying desire; there is often a passionate longing for a relationship, for the ideal partner who will render life complete and whole. This aspect of the sign underscores the universal hunger for unity, for oneness with that which is beyond the self.

The Sun in Libra represents self-discovery through relationships; the social dimension is a key part of the definition of self. The fundamental motivation is to achieve greater unity by merging one's energies with another, physically, emotionally, mentally, or spiritually. Thus, relationships are conditioned by some blend of desire, love, mind, or spirit, depending on evolution of the individual. On an emotional level there is identification with and adaptation to others, and on a mental plane an intelligence which bridges the gap between people. The Libra Sun in its higher expression includes civilized kindness, a desire for harmlessness, and a love of intelligent communion with like-minded souls. In its unwise expression, the desire to be kind and avoid hurting or alienating others can result in loss of personal integrity and compromised principles.

"When Libra souls are negative, their desire to please degenerates into a docility so plastic as to make them injuriously amenable to the desires of others." -Meditation of the Signs of the Zodiac, Jocelyn

For the enlightened individual in this sign, there is an intuitive understanding that love is the secret of life and the fulfillment of spiritual law. As this realization dawns, the significance of the spiritual path is seen and love in intelligent expression becomes a creative way of life. The mind and the mind and heart then work in unison, and the soul manifests an unusual ability to bring the inner vision into practical expression.

Outwardly the average Libra experiences imbalance as he or she tries to adapt to a world of dual factors - head and heart, inner and outer, spiritual and material, male and female, East and West, etc. But the ordinary concept of balance is static and does not spiral upward.

Esoterically, balancing is an evolutionary process, unification, a fusion of apparent opposites in unity. Resolution is in the middle way which, symbolically speaking, is the path of the hidden point. In any duality there is a higher implied element, and this is related to the symbol of the triangle. This third or implied point is the unity above duality. The hidden point is harmonious with the ancient Chinese concept of the Tao. For the average person, this sacred point remains hidden, and life pivots on self where the weight of ego conditions all choices.

The Libra balance is the symbol of justice and law. Ego as it conditions the impulse to justice serves the evolution of the soul. Egotism also attracts unfortunate karma whereas the law of love frees and gives power. The concept of justice is not simply for the courts of law, but consciousness of justice is relevant to daily life choices. How to measure the choices? Choice calls upon thought. Good thought is crowned with a sense of harmonious being.
Libra can be materialistic on the one hand and visionary on the other. When intellectual, the mind inclines to the philosophical and abstract. When visionary in the lower sense, the person can shift into a cloud-world detached from earth. When materialistic tendencies and the philosophical combine, it can result in a cloudy and rationalized orientation that is highly skilled as self-justification.

"We become so accustomed to disguise ourselves to others that we are disguised to ourselves." -La Rochefoucauld

"...the elimination of one of your undesirable habits will bring you more benefit than learning by heart all the existing systems of cosmogony." -Letters of Helena Roerich Vol 1


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Pluto in Libra

This is energy of manifested power. It highlights issues of power and its wise use in all fields, including personality, mind, economics, and politics. It suggests the power of mind as it seeks control in the material world. In the higher sense it is spiritual-mind-power seeking objective expression. As power manifested, it ranges from the high magic of creative intelligence to the gray manipulations and deceptions of modern power-politics. It also brings to the surface conditions that reveal the nature and limits of power, and the laws that govern its right use.

Here, Pluto concerns the evolution of balance - it reveals imbalance and injustice, and confronts humanity with the problems of wrongly distributed wealth and power. It is intimately related to fundamental psychological and sociological imbalances such as those between the masculine and feminine principles, and between the head and the heart. The soul inherits a world created, and in seeking true order, must grapple with the established patterns and deceptions of that world.

In the lower sense this position represents worldly power, the asymmetry of creation without soul. So it descends to earth in the power struggle between man and the demons and devices of his own making. In higher sense the chemistry promises release from the given form and the imposition of a new and better order. It is therefore release from bondage, the breaking of the chain of events that binds the soul.

Events: Margaret Thatcher becomes Britain's first woman prime minister
Samuel R Delany publishes Triton, An enlightening probe of human foibles, sexual ambiguities, aspects of psychological power, and ideological trickery.
The movie The Exorcist, - ritual driving out of an evil spirit.
The movie Star Wars - material and self-interested political power struggle with a higher magic.
Jeffrey Duncan publishes, The Power and Form of Emerson's Thought.


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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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LuckySprout
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Hi, guys Thanks for the welcome and replies.

Karyl Jackson, wow, is it that obvious? I hear that all the time and that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Create my own self. It's a bit of a challenge with my 7th house in Libra and 5 planets stuffed in there (Sun, Pluto, Venus, Mercury and Uranus). I always get lost in other people and relationships shake me to the core and seem to determine me somehow. And when a relationship ends I need a loooot of time to process what it was all about and have a really hard time letting it go. In short, I excell in obsessing about people. And even when I'm consciously trying to talk or think about myself I somehow end up talking and thinking about relationships. Oh, well... at least I can see the pattern, right? ... Lucky Spark? Cute

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LuckySprout
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Hart-Shaped Cross, sure, I don't mind you using those words (it's actually flattering ), but I would give it another thought if I were you. It just seems like inviting all sorts of witches and werewolves to your profile, doesn't it?
They do seem ruthless, those Pluto ruled mothers, don't they? Mine has a Scorpio Moon on top of that Sun/Pluto thing, so there you go, a fixed Scorpio flavoured Sun/Moon square. Poor thing.
Btw, my aunt (the other one, dad's sister) has a Moon/Pluto conjunction in Leo and her son is a Scorpio Sun. Do you have any prominent Scorpio positions in your chart, by any chance?
Oh, and, before you make your escape , thanks for the link, that Donna book is going straight to my wish list for Santa to see.

And Hexxie! Wow!
I'll have to take the time to chew through your post (the Meditations on Planets bit seems like a somewhat difficult read, doesn't it?) and then I'll come up with a proper reply.

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LuckySprout
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posted December 09, 2007 05:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, I'm sorry, I would've replied earlier, but I had a little trouble posting in this topic and Randall just helped me out. Thanks

Going to get some sleep now, but I'll see you all soon

It's nice to be here at LL

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Atlenta
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posted December 09, 2007 05:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi LuckySprout, I have Sun/Pluto in Libra too, as well as conjunction to Mercury, Venus and Saturn. I do understand the intensity you wrote there.

To answer your question, yes. I find it hard to 'settle' with anyone. And Sun/Pluto doesn't really like someone to take care of them, me thinks. I have had men 'take care' of me, but I was looking for something more of a challenge. I always go for those who challenge me to the depths in power struggles. But they must be sincere and not fool me.

And being single is not new to me either. It seems platonic relationships are the key for me more than overblown passion (must be my saturn).

To cut to the chase, I think, the guy for you would have to have a sun/pluto, if not conjunct, at least a trine. Or an 8th house-soaked placement. I don't think you'll settle for anything less than intensity

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LuckySprout
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Ok, I went through my original post and I'm begining to think that maybe I didn't explain myself very well. That could be due to language barrier, I suppose. In my country "taking care" carries mainly an emotional and soulmate-y connotation (like someone who cheers you up when you're down, brings out the best of you, provides good advice and so on; and not so much someone who pays for your rent or dinner). And that explained, I do feel comfortable taking care of myself and have been for a long time and the thought of sticking to this arrangement desn't scare me. On the contrary, the thing I'm a little worried about is that I might become a little too comfortable doing that. If that makes any sense. That I will loose my ability to emotionally conform (in a good way) and trust when someone nice comes along. Because the way I see it now, relationships (at least romantic ones) seem like too much work, too tiring and too messy to be worth it. I don't know many couples that have a stable and functional relationship, anyway. But maybe I'm just thinking too much into this…

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The Sun in Libra represents self-discovery through relationships; the social dimension is a key part of the definition of self.

Yes, I wouldn't be what I am today if it wasn't for the interactions with other people (but I guess you could say that for just about anybody, huh? ). And I want to keep on growing and discovering myself and that's why I need to keep myself open to new interactions, it's just that beeing open and ready for new seems a little hard right now.


Atlenta, I think I can see what you mean, but there is such a thing as too much intensity. I've had a lot of experience with 8th house/Scorpio/Pluto relationships and I think a nice, sunny and lively Leo would be better for me now. I wonder if I would be any good for him. Lol

(Anyway, who started this topic here?! It should be in Soul Mates…

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posted December 10, 2007 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC, don't worry, I wasn't beeing too serious either. Besides, I rather think that attracting people has more to do with what you have written in your mind and less with what you have written on your (hypothetical) profile.


Ha! You're exactly 10 days older than my cousin. Even the airy Moon is there, just different sign. Interesting. And I know another Scorpio with an Aqua Moon (don't know anything about his mother's Moon condition, though), but, unlike him, you've managed to avoid a hard Sun/Moon aspect. Good for you.

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I have a copy, if you want it.

Yes, I do want it! Very much. But how do we do that? Do you think you could toss it over the Atlantic for me? Attach it to an e-mail? Something else?


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posted December 10, 2007 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo men never work out for me. They're either bossy biggy bullies, who make up by being overly generous, or really demanding of attention and emotions. I feel like I'm in an emotional overdrive around them, even as friends! I need to take a breather from them, and they're sensitive enough to know that. It never works out because a brief period away would see their attention wandering to a more attention-giving soul.

I agree with you that relationships are too much work. But if you have someone who understands that intensity blows over in a while, and a (substantial) period of recuperation is necessary for recharge, it's a good thing.

My relationship is intense, and I need it only in small doses before I get x6 the time to myself to balance my scales. My partner understands that, I guess, because he needs his space as well.

And yes, I had someone 'take care' of me in the monetary way, but it didn't work out with him. There's the emotional soul-matey looking after, but it got old after a while. He was way empathic and I didn't need a counsellor.

The current one teaches me to stand up for myself, be emotionally independent, and though I resented it at first, I realised the power he conferred to me and liked him even more.

I think you may understand the staying together in silence thing. It's a good connection without being too overpowering.

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LuckySprout
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posted December 10, 2007 04:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha ha,...

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...a brief period away would see their attention wandering to a more attention-giving soul.

That's it. No Leos for me, thank you.

You seem like a very understanding person. And so does your partner. What would you say are your nicest interaspects? And what about your Moons, what signs are they in, if I may ask?

Funny, I have yet to come across a partner who has mastered the art of staying together in silence. They usually get bored with it and demand entertainment...

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By brief period I meant quite a while, you know.. hehe. And I seriously didn't blame him for moving on, since we hardly knew each other.
But don't take my asessment of the leos seriously though, because I have never gotten involved with a leo guy. (And I might be biased, who knows?)
The one I talked about had the strongest connection with me, but I was waiting to see if his interest would blow over. And I was seeing someone else at the time. I think I didn't get with him because it wasn't meant to be. He knew it, and I knew it, so we moved on instinctively. Psh, now when I sort of talk to him, he's no longer interested in me. A good thing, I guess. I was thinking for a while he could be someone significant.

I think my nicest interaspect would be a sextile from moon to jupiter and trine toascendant. It's a savings grace to some aspects I have . I believe the trine to my ASC allows me to project my emotions from my side. However, my sun is square to my ASC so my other self usually gets misunderstood.

His nice aspect is probably a Venus-Neptune. I don't even have that in the longitudes

My moon is in Virgo, and his is in Sagittarius.

Actually he's the one who taught me the silence thing. I'm a mental airhead (meant as a joke) and my mind won't stay silent (filled with incessant worries). I love quoting Macbeth and "fitful sleep" would describe me.

I think you may like a guy with Venus in Libra or 7th (or some variation), since you're a libra sun. (He will love you!). Or maybe one with a Mars in good aspect with your Venus. Or similar venus placement would make a loving couple, since your way of expressing love is similar.

But the good times between me and him are fleeting, we can be devils to each other. And pet peeves/rockiness are plenty more than the good times! It took a long time to come to a (small) understanding between us, and I'm still seeking for better ground with him.

edit: I used to think I wanted a 'manly' man, a macho one who'd have me as his 2nd in command, but I guess not. Like what you describe, an escapist, sensitive soul seems to be the one for me.
He has Venus in the 8th (same as venus in scorpio), so I guess I can understand your need for intense relationships. Even if you say you want a light relationship, you tend to attract those deep ones.

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Atlenta, are we twins or what?
My Virgo Moon is almost exactly conjunct Jupiter (same degree). I suspect that's why I love Sagittarius Moons. I'm surrounded by them. And a lot of them have their Moon conjunct Neptune, so, more often than not, they are very good with Tarot cards… metaphorically speaking, of course, because they don't really need the cards…

Btw, this is a site with extensive Moon sign descriptions I like. You're probably familiar with it, but still, here it is:
http://groups.msn.com/ZombiesUnderground/lunarsagittariusinlove.msnw

As a fellow Virgo Moon I would also recommend Eckhart Tolle's book The Power of Now. Have you ever heard of it? It's a guide to peaceful sleeping and, more importantly, living. I should read it again, because I forgot a lot of it, but I remember there was some sort of a technique described in it that helps you 'turn off the buzz' in your head. Meaning, helps you turn off all the unnecessary and redundant thoughts that get in the way between you and your peace and, therefore, prevent you from living the present moment.
He (Tolle) says that our mind is like a tool. We need it and we should use it to solve problems. But we need to learn to put it away when there aren't any problems for us to solve.

He also gives a very good definition of what ego is… it's basically your perception of yourself – all your memories, things that you are proud of, things that you regret, things that you identify yourself with, your aspirations and expectations etc. So, when you strip yourself of all that, what remains is…. you. I like that. Very liberating. Cathartic, even.

Anyway, regarding Leos, I have a Leo 5th house, so, as far as I'm concerned, Leos are FUN! … and easy on the eye.

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Hexxie, I hope you're still there…
I have a question for you now. As a child, did you happen to experience a traumatic separation of any kind?

For example, 7 days after I'd been born my mum had to go (back) to hospital for some time (kidney stones). And when I was 12 months old, I was put in hospital. The doctor suspected that I may be a mentally handicapped child (sigh… ) and so I was kept under observation for 2 weeks or so, untill he decided that I was perfectly ok.

And, another thing, after the one-year maternity leave, my mum went back to work and I was left to spend my days with the scariest baby-sitter ever. Her laugh could scare the willies out of Rambo. A strange, witchy laugh. Later on, one day when my dad and I were reminicsing the 'good old days', he told me that it did seem kind of strange to him how I used to freeze every time I heard somebody laugh... Nice. I used to be allergic to human laughter.

But, otherwise, I had a wonderful childhood. Lol
No, really, I don't mean to complain. I know that a lot of people had a lot tougher childhood than me. I'm just curious to see if other people with hard Sun/Pluto aspects experienced a similar 'separational horror' when they were young.

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Hart-Shaped Cross, you have a heart of gold. Like the one that Neil Young , the one you share your Sun and Moon placements with, sings of. (I bet you already knew that… )

And, since you're being so kind, I might as well promise that I'll eventually, if I get the chance to do that, pass it on to another Plutonian in need.

Ok, I'm off to annoy Randall now.

See ya.

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I have sun sextile pluto and I have a weak/absent father who plays daddy when its convinient for him. I've never had a bf and dont seem to attract suitors(but my natal chart indicate often that I am very attractive to the opposite sex (not bragging just maybe wondering why it isnt kicking in)). i read the comment about success in the future so maybe there is an upside to this placement.

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Hart-Shaped Cross, you have a heart of gold. Like the one that Neil Young , the one you share your Sun and Moon placements with, sings of. (I bet you already knew that… )

I did, I did, but I only learned it last week.

And I heard this song for the first time this week.
I like it a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY61Si3GQeg

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posted December 14, 2007 12:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So cool, HSC!

Unfortunately the link doesn't seem to be working right, at least from my computer ('this video is unavailable'). But that's ok, I'm familiar with most of his songs and find the melancholic Harvest Moon and semi-optimistic Lookin' for a Love lovely. They make me think of my high school times.....

But, before I wade into nostalgia, did you get my e-mail yet?

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Hi Lucky ~

Yeah I'm still floatin' around

Interesting story there. It sparked some memories of my own actually.

My Sun/Pluto conjunction is in my 4th house which adds to my sensitivity to the collective and my being a very private person who neeeeds alone time. I didn't get that alone time in grade school.

Well, my mom & dad both worked while I was growing up and so I had to go to day care after being in torturous school all day long. It was awful. I never got along with the other kids. I think they probably sensed that I was miserable and did not want to be there so they helped me make it an even worse experience. At that age I did not understand why my parents wouldn't let me find a ride home right after school even if I'd be alone.

I still have dreams of me walking home from that school to my parents house. It's a pretty long walk! I guess this was a sort of 'separational horror' for me.

I wonder if this experience of mine might explain my never wanting to babysit when I was a teenager and my aversion to having any kids of my own! I think it could at least be 1 puzzle piece.

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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posted December 21, 2007 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was interesting to read Hexxie, thank you. Dissecting childhood memories has been my favorite pastime lately since transiting Saturn is making a conjunction to my Moon. I'm trying to grasp the following sentences... (I don't have it natally, but still...)

quote:
A Moon-Saturn major aspect often calls for the healing of the child inside you, and of the deep sadness it carries. Learn the Moon values of playfulness. Indulge in joy, not in sadness. Do not necessarily blame your parents for your present moods. With Moon-Saturn, these might well be exactly the same even if you had had fantastic parents.


Also, I know how to post my chart now!


See?

I wonder who's going to be the first to tell me something nice about me? Lol.

HSC,

sorry for troubling you once more, but Randall says there's something wrong with your e-mail. It won’t receive the e-mail he's sent you. I thought you might want to fix that. In any case... luckysprout@gmail.com - that's me.

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posted December 21, 2007 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, thanks, got it.
I'll drop you an email.

Lots of energy and intelligence in that chart.

peace,
HSC

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