posted December 20, 2007 04:45 AM              

sorry, I hadn`t seen your post before.

So, progressed charts, you can go to astro.com, go to "options", type in a date, in which you are interested, then go to the chart-menue, scroll down until you find progressed chart.
There are several options there:
You can look at only our progressed chart, the progressed and natal chart, or under "Transits" you can choose the option of looking at natal, progressed and Transits combined. This is the one I usually choose.
It will only show the progressions for Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, ASC and MC; though, and will only show you transits by planets from Jupiter to Pluto.

But with progressions it`s the personal planets, and some asteroids that really matter, because they move more quickly.

I came in touch with progressions when I read, well, devoured in a frenzy, Paul Westran`s book on "progressed synastry".
He was looking at many celebrity couples and their relationships, when they started and when they fell apart.
And he claimed to have found that in at least 80% of the cases at the start of the relationship there has been a:

-conjunction / opposition / trine
- between Venus and Sun, Venus and Mars or Venus and Venus
- either in the comparision of both progressed charts, or comparing natal to progressed
- he used an orb of 2°

His sample included a little over 1000 charts, which is not a bad number, I think.
He didn`t use Moon or ASC / DSC, because most of the exact birthtimes were unknown. But he sais that he would look for these combinations, too, if the birthtimes were known.

Well, I haven`t researched 1000 example, but his theory held true in each and every case, I researched. Really amazing!
But I included the ASC as a Mars-point and the DSC as a Venus-point; so this gave me the combinations of:
ASC-Venus (like Mars-Venus)
DSC-Sun (Venus-Sun)
DSC-Venus (Venus-Venus)

Also, I found that the Sun-Mars-combination happens fairly often, but it is mostly accompanied by some Venus-progressions, too.

Often when the progressions start to fade, which is mostly after about 2 years (unless Venus is very quickly moving or turning retograde of course), there happens that thing of "falling out of love", either resulting in a break up or in a change of the relationship.
HOwever, I think in those cases it depends if there are some "love-aspects" in natal synastry. It is easier to deal with the fading progressions, if you have strong synastry.

I also think, and that is just my thought, not Westran`s, that it makes very much sense to look at the progressed Moon and the Transits as timers.
The progression will last for quite some time, and I think that maybe some transits are needed to trigger them, bring them out, so to speak.

Same goes for synastric aspects btw. At least in my opinion.
There are usually a huge amount of synastric aspects, but not all of them are equally in the "centre of attention". And I think transits or progressions may trigger certain synastric connections.

I take this singer and me as an example:

synastrically:
his ERos exactly conjunct my Venus on 6° Capricorn

Progressions:
my pr ASC (4° Capricorn) conjunct (his ERos / my Venus)

Transits:
Tr-Mars opposite my pr ASC conjunct my natal Venus conjunct his natal Eros)

Another example:

synastrically:
my Sun conjunct his Sun (4° - from 26° Sag to 00° Cap)

progressed synastry:
my pr Mars (28° SAg) conjunct his Sun

Transits:
Tr-Jupiter / Pluto conjunct both our Suns, my pr Mars (and on top of that also conjunct our Composite-Sun)

Another example:
I coincidentally "met" my first "half-celebrity" crush, when I was at a concert, and he was in the audience. We have remarkable progressions, too.

synastrically:
my Moon exactly conjunct his SN

progressed:
my pr Mercury, Venus and Antivertex are exactly conjunct each other
AND
exactly conjunct my Moon and his SN

transits:
on the day I saw him Tr-Neptune was conjunct all the mentioned planets and Tr-Jupiter was exactly sextile.
It were not too strong transits, and maybe that is the reason that I didn`t gather the courage to actually speak to him, even though we made eyecontact several times (and he was sitting in front of me, so HE was the one turning round to me. lol)

On top of that it is very interesting to look at the progressed composite (and the transits to it, too).

Let`s stick with that Moon-SN-interaction with my first crush.

In the "normal" composite, Mercury falls exactly onto that synastric Moon / SN-conjunction, and Sun is conjuncting it by 4°.
In the progressed composite now progressed Amor had just come into conjuncting that degree, too.
Pr Eros was exactly trining it.

The fact that there were "triggers" on any kind of level - natal synastry, progressed synastry, progressed synastry, progressed composite, transits- shows there really was something going on.
Of course we have to be careful, to not interprete EVERYTHING; in this case I think I didn`t really do, because all those aspects were focused on ONE synastrical aspect, and t herefor pulling this one into light.

posted December 20, 2007 05:07 AM              

synastrically:
my Moon conjunct his SN;
this falls into my 2nd house, while his NN falls into my 8th house.
My Moon falls into his 12th house.

There`s some deeply karmic stuff going on between us. Feels like there has been an emotional (Moon) relationship in a past life (SN). I (Moon) come from his past (SN) so to speak, or if you don`t believe in past lives, I have qualities that remind him of someone from his past, probably a female figure, sister, mother, or something like that.
Moon conjunct SN can also indicate a marriage in a past life.
But no matter what it has been, there is some kind of emotional bond between us.Or at least there once has been, and we are reminded of that (or at least I am).
It falls into his 12th house - so more stuff going on on a subconscious level. I have always had very vivid dreams about him, the last one preceding that concert; funny enough in that last dream he demanded very vehemently that I HAD to go to that concert, and if I didn`t, he would come to my house and drag me there himself, because this evening would "determine the course of more than one life".
Some nights earlier I actually have had another dream with him, in which we were in a location, a club or something like that (It turned out that I had dreamed of the location the concert was gonna take place; and I had never seen it before! But it was almost exactly like I dreamt it), and he was actually kinda feeling me up. But that was nothing sexual or erotic or something like that, and when I asked him what he was doing, he just said: "Memorizing."
ROFL I am having the weirdest dreams.
HOwever, of course it was one huge SHOCK to seem him there, especially in the light of the preceding dreams.

Hmm, but actually, shouldn`t the Moon / SN-thingy fall into my 12th house, since I dreamed about him not the other way round?
But it falls into my 2nd house (well, it falls into my 12th draconic house, though - you know the zodiac, where there is an ongoing soul-contract).
However, 2nd house - I`m not sure what that means.
WEll, his NN falls into my 8th house, maybe it`s his karma to bring deep transformation into my life, which he certainly did. (interestingly my natal Moon is also ruling my 8th house).

So, that is the synastric interaction, a dormant emotional bond, that stems from the past.

posted December 20, 2007 05:30 AM              

Composite:
C-Sun / Mercury conjunct his SN and my Moon

I don`t really know how to inteprete Composite to natal / synastric aspects, but I guess the core of the connection (Sun) is to work with that Moon / SN-conjunction. It`s lightened up by the composite-Sun.
It describes my emotional attachment I guess, since my Moon is influenced.
In his case again, it`s just something from his past, a long gone memory I guess.
There are no synastric or composite conjunctions to his NN, so I guess I am not part of his path in this life.
Well, my Cupid is conjunct his NN, but I don`t know if that means anything.
I guess, this connection is about remembering that there was once a connection, but also about letting go of it. Letting go of my emotional fixation (well, maybe that is the reason that this whole thing takes place in my 2nd house).

And this becomes very prominent in my life just NOW, indicated by pr MErcury, Venus and Antivertex conjunct my natal Moon.
I`m confronted with my own feelings and emotions, probably triggered by "destined or unexpected meetings" (Antivertex).

And Tr-Neptune on top of it all gave it even more resemblance with a dream. Also, since Neptune can be a very "dissolving" planet, it was probably even helpful to dissolve my "emotional fixation" and finally let go of it all, without turning to antagonism.
The result of this chance meeting for me was that I realized that I deeply care for this man and always will do, but that- luckily- I don`t feel this kind of "attachment" or any kind of attraction and emotion other than "I am happy that a person like him exists in this world" anymore.

Case solved, I dare say.
But ask me in two weeks again, after I have seen him another time (this was planned long before I met him by chance and somehow I ended up in 1st row, and I don´t know how this happened, and it still makes me feel a little bit nervous. lol).

So, that is how I would interprete the interplay between all those levels (and I left out the Draconics, because it is such a lot work and very timeconsuming to interprete only one interaspect this way. And I didn`t even mention the exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction and Eros-Psyche-opposition in our chart and some other nice stuff. lol)

posted December 23, 2007 04:15 PM              

1) Progressed synastry can be extremely powerful between people because it acts as an engine. But, IMO, you should be using the major planets/points in progressed synastry, not the whole pizza pie.

2) unless there are strong contacts between the major planets/points in the natal synastry -- and as DD pointed out about Paul Westran's brilliant research and book -- things are unlikely to last. That is because once the wonderful progressions (and also transits) are over, there is little left over to relate to.

posted January 07, 2008 07:23 AM              

DD,
did your Christmas/New Year went well? I hope so

AFTER IVE RED YOUR POST on this thread i realised ive never used the chart youve talked about:using both Porgressions/transits.

So i went to see if Paul Westrans research applied to me and Konnhy when we met,and it DID

TRANSITS

Mine
- T Moon trine Venus
- T Venus conj Moon

His
- T Venus trine Venus

PROGRESSIONS

Mine
- P Venus conj Venus
- P Mars conj Venus

About your incluition of ASC/DSC

- my T Saturn trine my DSC
- LOOK this one: my T Union/Destiny trine my DSC also

- His T Kiron trine his DSC

That time his P Venus/Saturn was conj my N Pluto and trine my NN;
His P MOON was trine my Sun/VX/Juno - passing his 6th.

My P Moon was passing through my 6th also - closely trine his AC that time;
My P Sun was trine his DSC/Venus/Kiron;
My P Eros was trine his Eros.

Natally we have some good Love aspects goin´on to help when the progressions start to fade out:

- Sun conj AC
- Merc conj AC
- Moon trine AC
- Valentine trine AC
- Moon trine Venus
- Merc conj Venus
- Sun trine Karma
- Sun trine Kiron
- IC P ASC
- ASC P vALENTINE/kARMA/Isis
- Sun P Amor
- DSC P Amor
- NN P NN
- P P Venus
- VX P IC

Looking at the Progressive Composite there are some major stuff goin´on:

- Venus/Merc/Eros/Sun in the 1st with Venus/Merc conj the ASC

- kARMA is conj the NN

- Venus trine Nerc/Kiron

posted January 07, 2008 01:29 PM              

those progression look good, don`t they?

Also, I found the progressed composite to be rather revealing, or am I reading too much into this?

Venus, Eros and Sun in the 1st with Venus conjunct the ASC - could there be a better sign of a "time for love"?
Also, that Mercury conjunct ASC gives good communication or the desire to talk, communicate, solve misunderstandings. And Eros in 1st - juicy!

I did a progressed composite for P and me on 30th december 2007.
And there was an exact Sun-Chiron-conjunction on 0° Aries (orb: 0°03!) in 1st house exactly opposite Uranus in 7th house. (In synastry his Sun is conjunct my Chiron, also).
Also, my name asteroid was conjunct Mercury and Venus in 1st house (my name asteroid falling onto the exact midpoint of Mercury and Venus).
An exact Karma-Psyche-conjunction in Gemini and 3rd house.
And the DSC has just come into conjunction with Pluto (2°) - wich will become even more prominent in the next 2 years.

Well, I guess, Eighth Moon is right - those composites tell stories.

posted January 08, 2008 08:48 AM              

Yup mine went great - ive been a whole week with Jonnhy hihihi

Sorry but till now i didnt had time enough to go to the sm searchers...ive been in the store and helping my parents out also in the Company - promise to look at it soon!

Yes,its amazing about the progressions - our composite has the venus/sun conj in the 1at and now venus passed to conj the AC,so it isnt bad at all

You sure know how we two need to solve those misunderstandings we have after some times - hope that Mercury helps through it!

tHIS Year is goin to be tought for us both as Saturn will be at my sun long time and noW Nept is skuaring my Moon - i need to stay real and aware of a lot of future changings,not easy ones.
In Progression my P AC is also being hit by Saturn..and worse,P Saturn is making the Heartbreak kikunkt to kiron and by the look of it it seems it will be there forever.

Saturn is skuaring Jonnhy´s Mars so it isnt being easy for him either in all aspects of his life.
Saturn in progression it will be making the Heartbreak too and skuaring his AC

What are the orbs for progressions/transits DD? They are felt till what º?