posted December 26, 2007 11:30 AM              

I have been using Astro's "default" house system for analysing synastries and yet l find the equal house system works well too.

Sometimes though it changes the synastry significantly. Is the equal system the classic? Is it therefore the most accurate. It put significant other's venus in my 5th whereas with default it's in my 6th!
grrrrr

Which house system is better please? I know some use Koch or Placidius too.

posted December 26, 2007 09:10 PM            

so you don't think intercepted houses have any significance?

I am just asking that's all.

posted December 27, 2007 12:18 AM              

my chiron also went from 4th to 5th, along with my moon. i DID have a very troubled and painful childhood BUT the 5th describes my overall emotional attitude (VERY playful and creative, love children), and the chiron seems to still fit because i read a description that the parents basically extinguish that creative flame in you early on, which was a big part of that whole dynamic that was very painful. also moves my pluto into the 10th, another description i read making the mother a controlling and overpowering influence in your life (YUP), which would also account for the old 4th house sense of woundedness and being tied to my parents, especially mother.

my jupiter goes into 8th which seems to make sense as i am constantly thinking about death and the after life (but in a good way, haha) and have even had 2 NDEs.

my NN also moves into the 9th (from 8th) and it makes a bit more sense to me as i do tend to get way overwhelmed by informational detail to the point where i do nothing. 2nd house also fits me in that i've always had to do everything on my own and the hard way.. but not in the materialistic attachment sense. so i'm still not sure if that one is more accurate.

but overall, looks equally if not more accurate. though, i will have to think more about it!

posted December 27, 2007 12:35 AM              

but here is the confusing question for me. if most people use placidus and most studies and chart interpretations are based on the actual event and behaviours, etc, in peoples' lives, then how could they be relevent if equal is more valid? is it maybe somehow possible that due to the gradual evolution of the signs there is an overlap in energies and possible outcomes, basically speaking? that could be the only explaination that would make much sense.

for example, while 9th saturn does fit me very well, 8th saturn fit too cuz i was molested as a child and and i have somewhat of a fear of intimacy, though a craving for it. in some ways i do not trust easily, unless i am very comfortable and emotionally connected. so maybe because these houses (8 and 9) seem to be about power (though different kinds, sexual/transformative and religious/dogmatic) there is something of an overlap in possible interpretations??

posted December 27, 2007 01:14 AM            

Using Placidus, I have natal Mars in the 2nd house. Which makes sense to an extent, I do spend money as soon as I get it, I'm very protective and defensive over anything I call my own, and I value independence, fearlessness, and strength above all else.

However, when using Equal, Mars is at the very end of the 2nd house, where I would interpret it as predominately under the influence of the chatty and inquisitive 3rd house. This makes a bit more sense to me. I mentioned in another thread that I talk a mile a minute, which is true. All my life, I've had issues with talking too fast and tripping over my words. I'm terribly argumentative, with a bad habit for correcting people every chance I get, and looking for things to "debate". I have a natural tendency to drive too fast (I blame it on a heavy foot, but I know it's me), I could make a sailor blush with things that would come out of my mouth in normal conversation so I have to always watch myself, and I have a highly competitive relationship with my sister.

Placidus wise, Jupiter sits in my 3rd house...which I think is quite accurate. Not only do I talk a lot, but I have a very loud voice, and I ramble. I'm a writer, and all my pieces tend to be drawn to ethics/philosophy/religion.

However, Jupiter is in my 4th house, according to the equal house system, and I do come from a very, very large family. Unusually large, with at least 65 cousins on one side, and an uncountable amount on the other. I spent my childhood traveling a lot, we moved constantly, and have always lived quite a distance away from my other relatives. In my household, I grew up listening to political, philosophical and religious debate over dinner, not the average "how was your day, dear?".

This is also supported by my Moon moving into the 9th house, and how I consider myself a life-long student. I made it a point to myself to learn so much about so many broad topics, that I can't even decide what I want to do with my life. I'm nurtured (Moon) by expanding my mental awareness and understanding, therefore I will always seek ways to learn new things. I also have an insatiable need for travel, learning foreign languages and customs, and I am extremely emotionally invested in politics, the judicial system, ethics, philosophy (my minor ) and religion.

My 10th house becomes Virgo, which all I get from that is that in my career, I plan to work with communications and use those communications to help and better service those in need (Mercury in the 12th)

Venus moves out of my 11th, leaving the Sun and Pluto with makes much more sense because I have a bad habit of absolutely controlling my friends, to the point where I drop them entirely when I no longer "need" them. I also get so jealous of them, that I tend to surround myself with people who don't shine as brightly, because the moment I'm outshone, that "friend" gets irreparably distanced from my "circle". Venus there was hinting at harmonious relations that didn't really exist, haha, I've had rocky friendships since day one.

Venus instead moves into the 12th house, which makes more sense of my favorite hobbies and past times such as music, art, writing, meditation, chemistry (a Neptune ruled science), alcohol, etc.

Also it hints at my horrible track record of break ups and relationship upsets. I also tend to always end up "the other woman", and I have problems finding a man who fits my unnaturally high expectations. Once I catch one, I get severely disillusioned, and either convince myself there's nothing wrong, cheat emotionally and/or physically, or completely give up on love all together.

I've also got self-acceptance/love issues...serious ones.

So long story short..

Equal

posted December 27, 2007 02:12 AM            

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I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product...of me.

When you decide to be something, you can be it. That's what they don't tell you in the church.

posted December 27, 2007 05:33 AM              

Things that change depending on the house system I use:

*2nd/8th house cusp: Placidus and Koch put it in Taurus/Scorpio, Equal and Porphryry put it in Aries/Libra ... overall the Taurus/Scorpio axis sounds more like me, since I am very cautious about spending money (meaning I would never invest my money in stocks). However, I am also known for my shopping sprees where I tend to be somewhat of an impulsive buyer. Looking at the 8th house cusp as well, though, Scoprio makes more sense than Libra.
*Saturn: Placidus puts it exactly on the 7th/8th house cusp, all the other house systems put it in the 8th house ... I've felt the 7th house Saturn when I was younger. I was very cautious when it came to one-to-one relationships. I didn't let anyone get really close. I'm still like that sometimes. But the 8th house Saturn makes sense as well, because matters of death actually scare me a lot. I identify both with the 7th and 8th house Saturn.
*Pluto: Placidus and Koch put it in the 7th house, Equal and Porphyry put in the 8th house ... I'm definitely a 7th house Pluto person. I am pretty possessive in relationships and I do have a tendency to become somewhat controlling when I really care about someone.
*Sun: Placidus and Koch put it in the 8th house, Equal and Porphyry in the 9th house ... there's definitely a Scorpionic quality to my Sag Sun. Although some of those Scorpio qualities of my Sun could be due to the fact that I'm a cusp person (Scorpio/Sag cusp), I feel that the 8th house Sun sounds just like me. I feel very deeply and while I do forgive, I never forget.
*Moon: Placidus puts it close to the 5th/6th house cusp, Koch, Equal and Porphyry put it right in the middle of the 5th house ... I actually relate more to the 6th house Moon. I'm known to be quite the perfectionist in certain areas and I have always been quite the dutiful person.

So, long story short, in my case Placidus wins.

posted December 27, 2007 09:43 AM            

However,I do feel bothered looking at the charts of people born in high latitudes like in the Scandinavian countries with their lopsided houses.

Because of my studies in Vedic Astrology,I wonder if whole sign houses could work with Western Astrology. I think that they are used in Classical Astrology,but that system doesn't use the outerplanets. They use aspects by signs. When you add outerplanets there,whole sign aspects don't work. You have to use considerably smaller orbs with outerplanets.

Another thing too...if a planet is in a house and close to the cusp of the next house,I count it as being in both houses. It seems to work when I do readings.

BTW...I have retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th, and it's heavily modified with it being opposed Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd and square Moon in Pisces in 6th. I feel that t-square reflects my Special education experiences,Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD as well as inheriting those conditions from both my parents as well as my issues with Depression and Anxiety as well as my psychiatric misdiagnoses of Schizoaffective Bipolar.

As far as religion/spirituality goes,

Both my mother and stepfather were Roman Catholics,and they never really enforced their religious beliefs on me. I was allowed to make my own decisions in regards to religious beliefs. I went to Sunday School from 5th grade to 7th grade. Growing up,I read mythology,and my parents never gave a hard time about it. I loved them so much,that you could even say that I had an Aspergers-like interest in them,and it helped me ace my English final on the Odyssey in 12th grade which kept me from getting an F in the English class. After I learned about Theory of Evolution in 7th grade, I shortly stopped going to church. I briefly went to church in 10th grade, but I chickened out when it was time to get baptized. I only went to church a few times in the navy. I was an atheist for a couple of years until my maternal grandfather's suicide. During the church service where we prayed for his soul because of his suicide,I was praying so hard in tears,and it was a profound experience for me. That changed everything. I started searching for the meaning of life, got involved with psychic readers who even got me praying to God. I got involved in New Age,metaphysical stuff which led me. I started believing in reincarnation,pastlives,karma thanks to pastlife readings and Brian L. Weiss' books on reincarnation. It was the day of a psychic faire that I had my pastlife reading,I found out my moonsign,Pisces that started the erosion of my astrological skepticism.
My religious/spiritual beliefs fit with Unitarian Universalism,Neopagan,New Age,and New Thought.

posted December 27, 2007 11:06 AM              

Sun in 1st (Equal) vs. 2nd (Placidus)
Moon&Venus 2nd (Equal) vs. 3rd (Placidus)
Mars in 3rd (Equal) vs. 4th (Placidus)

I have real trouble with these! Totally confused, as other factors seem to balance things out whichever way I try to see the charts...

posted December 27, 2007 12:15 PM              

I think in many instances equal vs placidus or koch doesnt change most placements. But in the majority of charts it will change a few things - which seem to be extremely revealing and accurate. Be wary of having grown attached to interpretations of placements in houses you are familiar with. I would venture that any placement you are attributing x trait to, you can find another aspect in the chart that suggests that.

Sag Sun - pluto in the 8th can be extremely possessive. Pluto in 7 has more to do with transforming through relationships than being possessive in relationships. There are many aspects that go with possessiveness - pluto in a house is not a special one.

Also, signs on cusps of houses dont necessarily reveal how that area of your life works.

There is no question to me that planets within a few degrees of the cusp of the following house will have aspects of both houses.

posted December 27, 2007 01:07 PM              

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Sag Sun - pluto in the 8th can be extremely possessive. Pluto in 7 has more to do with transforming through relationships than being possessive in relationships. There are many aspects that go with possessiveness - pluto in a house is not a special one.

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Also, signs on cusps of houses dont necessarily reveal how that area of your life works.

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Anyway, the two main reasons for me choosing Placidus are the placements of my Sun and Moon (in the 8th and 5th/6th house respectively). Koch is fairly accurate as well in my case.

posted December 27, 2007 02:27 PM              

the reason l started this is because l have a huge stellium in first house of saturn/n node/moon/venus plus sun and mercury at end of it.

With equal system this puts my sun and mercury in 2nd house with my mars.

My Neptune in equal moves up from 8th in Scorpio to 9th.

My 7th house ruler virgo stays the same but Libra is now ruler of 8th with equal instead of floating within 7th.

It's SO confusing LOL

posted December 28, 2007 12:03 PM              

Yes and tell him he can't possibly ever breathe on his own again!