posted January 04, 2008 04:39 AM            

If it's on your chart, can you feel the effects? What about if it is hit by transits/progressions.

posted January 04, 2008 02:45 PM              

Yes, they are only mathematical points, I agree. MOre than that, they connect the earth with the sky, because they are formed by the rotation of the earth, and therefore I would actually place a lot of importance on them (I`m not sure about the nodes, though).

Concerning the "energy" of planets, well, I never really understood what that means. I don`t believe that the planets send some sort of "energy" into our direction to make things happen.
We don`t fall in love BECAUSE Sun is conjunct Venus.
But both events; the one in the sky: Sun conjunct Venus -a nd the one inside our inner sky: falling in love, seem to often happen at the same time, and therefore the planetary configuration seems to act like a clock, like a symbolism for what is happening on earth or within us.

But like everytime I know that everyone has their own belief-systems on this one. Yet, I wouldn`t dismiss the importance of the angles, especially ASC-DSC-IC-MC. They are equally important to planets.

Only my opinion.

posted January 04, 2008 06:13 PM            

I'm at work right now but have a quote at home that I'll put in here later. I put the word "energy" in quotes in my post above because that's not exactly what it is: planets don't SEND "energy" to us (at least as far as I know )

funnyface ~

posted January 04, 2008 08:46 PM            

Could you please put up the link to where you read this?? I've not seen a "kite" in my travels with two sesquiquadrates, a square and two semi-squares, although at least one of these definitions notes that a boomerang is a form of kite: http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/kite.html
I have a boomerang in my chart, or an “enhanced Yod,” with a planet at the "release point" (opposite the apex and semi-sextile the two quincunxes).
But this site calls my configuration a "Yod Kite"..... http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_k.htm

A kite usually starts with a grand trine..... http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html

I'm trying to find a link that Node or lalalinda put up showing lots of neat minor triangle aspects.....

DD ~

When I read the following, I reeeeeeally started wondering about how Astrology works, and maybe there IS some kind of "energy" that affects human bodies/minds/emotions/spirits from without, for instance, the energy Linda Goodman talked about when discussing purple plates. I thought she called it "angstroms" and described it as a measure of light-energy, but looking it up, angstroms is a measure of distance. I don't have a copy of "Star Signs" right now (it's borrowed-out). What IS the energy of purple plates?? What IS the energy of telekinesis?? I have many questions and no answers

“Superstring theory and other esoteric advances in physics….are revealing that our reality is embedded in a much more expansive, higher-dimensional realm of pure energy – or pure spirit….
The discovery of quantum nonlocality – the ability of particles to exert subtle influences on each other instantaneously across vast distances – is confirming the ancient mystical teaching that all things are profoundly interconnected. Quantum nonlocality might also explain extrasensory perception…. As well as the miraculous healing that results from prayer and other spiritual practices.”
~ From "Rational Mysticism" by John Horgan

I agree that the various mathematical points are important in Astrology. Believe you me, I noticed it when Saturn conjuncted my Ascendant last summer
But I don't think I personally would include them in an aspect *combination* (like a Grand Trine) or configuration. For instance, if you had 15 degrees Scorpio Ascendant, and had Mercury at 8 deg and Sun at 12 deg in the 12th, and Venus at 16 deg and Neptune at 19 deg in the 1st -- would you count the Asc as a member of that stellium??
Yes, I do have Saturn almost exactly square my NN (and SN) making it, for all intents and purposes, a T-square. It’s just my personal preference not to call it a t-square.

Danielle “Mooncat” ( http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro2/configurations.htm ) writes:

posted January 04, 2008 10:47 PM            

I'd never seen that Octile Kite config before!! Interesting
(see "Octile Triangle" here: http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/GlastonburyArchive/time/litglossary.html )
Thanks for the chart data, I'd like to take a look at it.....

Solo_Fish ~

posted January 04, 2008 11:04 PM            

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just because some astrological sources say that something is the way it is, doesn't mean it is absolute.

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posted January 05, 2008 05:21 AM              

thank you for that quote.
Yes, I do wonder how astrology really works, but I don`t really have a clue.
Well, it does work, that one thing I`m sure of.

Also, I tend to think more and more, that there is something like "spiritual energy" or "psychic energy", something that is very manifest, even though invisible, in our lives.

There`s no other explanation why I always KNOW things about that singer, I don`t even really know. Just recently I was wondering if I should see him on 31st december in a certain play, and then I just KNEW that he wouldn`t be there, so I planned something else. And I found out just yesterday that this particular performance had been cancelled.
With him such things happen all the time; I guess we must share the same "energetic or psychic wavelength".

So, I am convinced this kind of energy exists, but I always thought it exists between people and places, that have been "touched" by people.
I`m not sure about planets in this regard, though.

HOwever, I actually would count the ASC as part of the stellium. I have one myself. Amor on 2°, Mars on 5°, ASC on 7°, Neptune on 10° and NN on 10°, all in Sagittarius, and I feel my ASC is definitely a part of this stellium.
I do think that conjunctions to all cusps are important, though.

I`m still not completely sure about the other aspects like trine and sextile. Do they actually have an effect?
If they do I would count them as part of an aspect configuration, if they do not have any effect, then I should rather not count them, I guess.

Well, I could also see the angles like this:
They are constructing some kind of "net", a filter or a lens, through which we see the planets.

For example:
My Neptune is in Sagittarius in my 1st house. So I see Neptune through the lense of my 1st house and therefore this planet "influences" this area of my life.
If I follow this theory, then I`m not sure about using the ascendant in aspect configuration other than stellia.

In this theory the cusps would act as sensitive degrees, and therefor I would only use the conjunction / oppositions to it.

But I do think that the square to an axis could have some importance, since the square position would be on the midpoint of the axis. My NN is on 10° Sagittarius, my SN is on 10° Gemini; Jupiter is on 11° Pisces.
The NN draws me forwards in the future, and the SN tries to keep me in the past. If both "forces" are equally strong, then the resulting force would be in 10° Pisces or Virgo, if I understood my teacher at school right.
I`m not sure this is really like a T-square, but it seems to me that it must mean something, whatever that is.
HOwever, I would place importance on this, if there was a planet conjuncting at least one of the axis-ends.

But actually, I`m not really sure about anything of this. Just theorising here.

DD

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Well, I could also see the angles like this:
They are constructing some kind of "net", a filter or a lens, through which we see the planets.

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I`m not sure this is really like a T-square, but it seems to me that it must mean something, whatever that is.
HOwever, I would place importance on this, if there was a planet conjuncting at least one of the axis-ends.

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So, I am convinced this kind of energy exists, but I always thought it exists between people and places, that have been "touched" by people.
I`m not sure about planets in this regard, though.

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The polar aurora is formed when Field-Aligned currents (FAC's) short-circuit through the atmosphere. Particles from the Sun traveling along magnetic field lines collide with particles in the atmosphere. The atmospheric particles become electronically excited from the collision. Relaxing into their normal state obviously requires a release of energy. We see this energy release as colored light and call it aurora.

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