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Bucketrider
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posted January 07, 2008 12:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any thoughts or ideas about the meaning of the east point? It seems to have fallen out of favor as the angles have dominated in terms of points of emphasis.

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Peri
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posted January 07, 2008 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The East Point is another name for ASC, I think.

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darkdreamer
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posted January 07, 2008 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I think, the East Point is where our ASC would be, if we were born at the Equator, so it`s the "Equatorial ASC".

My ASC is 07°01 Sagittarius, but my East point or Equatorial ASC is 4°11 Capricorn.
I don`t know what this means, though. Hey, it`s conjunct my Venus.

This is a link I found on the Equatorial Ascendant or East Point.
http://www.azastrologers.org/Articles/ReyerEA.pdf

DD

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Glaucus
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posted January 07, 2008 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The East Point is the intersection of the ecliptic with the unnamed great circle passing through the east and west points of the horizon and the north and south poles of Earth, and the West Point is its western opposition. The East Point has also been called the Equatorial Ascendant because it is the Ascendant on the Equator at the sidereal time of birth.

The East Point is usually in the twelfth or first house of the chart.

East Point and Antivertex can be interpreted as auxiliary Ascendants. That is, they function as additional keys to one’s basic identity, action, energy, drive and self-expression.

They do not seem to be AS important as the actual Ascendant, but do offer useful clues to major themes in the nature of the individual.
http://www.ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/1983/vir/epav.html


I have my East Point in Virgo in 12th
conjunct Ascendant - 5'25
oppose Moon - 4'40
contraparallel Moon - '02
(Moon-East Point occultation)
square Jupiter - '15
square Saturn - 2'53
square Midheaven - 3'12
sextile Sun - 2'40

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Azalaksh
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posted January 07, 2008 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus ~

I don't know if I still have a copy of my Tables of Houses (they were essential in the 70's, but not now ) -- these calculations seems a little bit involved.....

"CALCULATION

To obtain the East Point is simple. Use your standard Table of Houses (Placidus, Koch, Campanus, whatever system you prefer). Once you have calculated the correct local sidereal time of birth (LST), find that LST in your Table of Houses. Rather than looking to the latitude of the birth you are interested in, go to zero latitude (the Equator). Interpolate as necessary to obtain the Ascendant at zero latitude for the exact local sidereal time. (As indicated, the East Point can also be called the Equatorial Ascendant.) If your Table of Houses does not include zero latitude, there is an alternative method. Add six hours to the correct local sidereal time (LST) of birth. This rotates the Midheaven exactly one quarter of the circle. (The East Point can also be defined as 90 degrees east, along the Equator, of the intersection of the Meridian with the ecliptic.) For that LST (six hours later), perform any necessary interpolation to calculate the Midheaven. That Midheaven (six hours later) is the correct East Point.

The Antivertex is slightly more complicated to calculate.

1. Subtract the latitude of birth from 90 degrees. Call your answer the co-latitude.

2. Add 12 hours to the LST of birth.

3. Take the LST from Step #2 into the Table of Houses as if you were going to calculate the house cusps from it.

4. Look for the Ascendant for that LST at the co-latitude. Interpolate as needed.

5. The result is the Vertex. The Antivertex is directly opposite (same degree and minute; opposite sign).

A variation is:

1. Same as above.

2. Note down the IC of the chart.

3. Find that IC in the Table of Houses AS IF it were a Midheaven.

4. Find the Ascendant for THAT Midheaven (which was originally the IC of the chart) at the co-latitude. Interpolate as needed.

5. Same as above.

For those who prefer working directly with trigonometric functions, the formulae for these angles are:

East Point = arctan (cosST/(-sinST * cos obl))

Vertex = arctan ((-cosST)/(sinST * cos obl-sin obl/tanlat))

Antivertex = Vertex +/-180 degrees

Where obl is obliquity and lat is latitude and ST is local sidereal time, and the quadrant of the answer can be determined from the algebraic signs of the answer and the numerator in the arctan.

Is there an astro program that will calculate the East Point for you??

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darkdreamer
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posted January 07, 2008 04:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrowin 3.57 does.

DD

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lalalinda
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posted January 07, 2008 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The East point or Anti-Vertex
is exactly opposite the Vertex.

http://www.astro.com/astrology/cw_astro_houses_e.htm

Raymond

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lalalinda
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posted January 08, 2008 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One small point for clarification.

On any chart wheel the Ascendant sits on the East, Descendant is West
MC is south and the Nadir is North.

My first impression was the same as Peri's which is also correct.

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Node
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posted January 08, 2008 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi- to allay any confusion...perhaps I read some of the above wrong The Anti Vertex -the point directly opposite the Vertex is not the same as the EP.
    Some
    computer programs incorrectly call the Equatorial Ascendant 'the East
    Point.' Astronomically, the East Point is the east point on the horizon,
    and NOT the Equatorial Ascendant which astrologers use. The correct name
    for the astrological point is 'the Equatorial Ascendant.'
For example my AV is 14+ Cancer. My EA is 22 Leo.
    Walter Pullen's Astrolog 5.40 [freeware] calculates this. Uranian Astrologers use it as a PSP Personal Sensitive Point.

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darkdreamer
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posted January 08, 2008 09:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOde,

I read that, too.

I think there may be several points, called "East Point", and that adds to the confusion.

DD

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DepTaurus
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posted November 16, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Equatorial Asc at 10.29 Leo.

Square mercury
trine venus
square pluto

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Randall
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posted January 01, 2012 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info.

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