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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 07, 2008 10:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so I broke down and bought some of those synastry reports from a website. (Hangs head in shame.) Well, they weren't very expensive and I thought, what the heck!

I did find something interesting, though, that I never really noticed much before. ALOT of my planets are aspecting my SO's MC. I never really paid much attention to this, except for the fact that my NN is EXACTLY conjunct his MC.

I can't find a whole lot of info outside of these reports about the midheaven and synastry aspects. Anyone have any info or insight?

I'll happily post what they said in the report, in case anyone else has these aspects and wants to check them out. Also, it would be interesting to know if any of you guys and gals find them accurate.

Umm...I guess this goes without saying, but I can only post those aspects that showed up in my report. I won't have any other interpretations...(kinda the reason I'm posting this). Sorry!

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Azalaksh
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posted January 07, 2008 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi PC71

Planets conjuncting any of the Angles -- AC, IC, DC, MC -- are important in synastry. I like the contacts to the MC/IC axis just as much as I do the AC/DC axis. Why?? Because I feel the IC marks the deepest private foundations of our Selfhood. My Sun conjuncts my son's IC by just a few minutes.....

For the other end of the axis, I'm curious how you might help your fella in his public activities..... the NN conj MC intrigues me especially -- ie, how that plays out in his life and yours..... does he find your "soul-path" a valuable resource in his public endeavors?? Do his public activities aid in your soul-growth??

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 07, 2008 11:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay...remember, these are SYNASTRY aspects, not natal or composite. Also, I hope it's not too confusing, but some of the aspects are interpreted from each perspective so I'm using person "A" and person "B" to help keep it straight.

A'S VENUS CONJUNCT B'S MC and
A's VENUS SEXTILE B'S MC: (same interpretation)

We all have fantasies about the sort of person who would be an ideal partner. When "A" first met "B", it was like a recognition. "A" felt oddly at home with someone "A" idealized. Happily, "B" reciprocates these feelings.

[Now for the flip side, like when it's YOUR MC being aspected...I know this is a little confusing.]

B'S MC CONJUNCT A'S VENUS and
B's MC SEXTILE A'S VENUS: (same interpretation)

"A" is attracted to "B's" social or public image even though it isn't entirely congruous with personal values and tastes. Sometimes "B" may feel that "A's" values and affectional needs may make achieving "B's" personal goals somewhat more complicated.

A'S MOON TRINE B'S MC:

"A" intuitively understands "B's" dreams and ambitions and the emotional support "A" provides plays an important role in "B's" achievements. "B" respects and admires "A", depends on "A", and may unconsciously be seeking "A's" approval when seeking success.

B'S MC TRINE A'S MOON:

"A" always had an intuitive sense of "B's" deepest yearnings, ambitions and goals and that very strong emotional support has done much to point "B" in his/her life direction. "A" is very proud of "B's" successes but hopes they won't overshadow the more intimate aspects of the relationship.

A'S MARS SEXTILE B'S MC:

"A" really motivates "B" to achieve long-held goals and ambitions. This is partly due to a lively sense of sompetition the relationship arouses in "A" and partly to a genuine enthusiasm "A" feels for "B's" career. When "B" is successful, "A" feels successful.

B'S MC SEXTILE A'S MARS:

"A" relates quite intensely to "B's" public or professional persona. "B" may find this unsettling at times, particularly when "B" senses the competitiveness or unconscious hostility that "B" inadvertently arouses. One thing is for sure: when "A" is around, "B" acts.


MORE TO COME...

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 07, 2008 11:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, don't ask me why, but they don't have these interpretations from both perspectives. So, I'm just gonna have "A" be the MC person and "B" be the planet person. Geesh! Cheap reports...you get what you pay for, I suppose! lol

A'S MC SQUARE B'S SUN:

"B's" ego and dynamic energy connect with "A" in a very personal way. "A" has no particular need to put anyone on a pedestal. "B" may assist "A" in some way with "A's" career goals without playing a role in defining those directions.

A'S MC TRINE B'S SATURN:

"B" may help "A" to crystallize and work hard toward "A's" goals and ambitions and, at the same time, "B" may be so controlling and demanding that "A" may question whose goals he/she is working to achieve. "B" constantly brings up issues of responsibilities.

A'S MC TRINE B'S PLUTO:

Since they met, "A's" life direction has been totally transformed. This relationship has a strange influence over "A", particularly on a profesional level. "B" connects strongly to "A's" public image and projects power onto "A" which can be worrying.

A'S MC SEXTILE B'S NEPTUNE:

Shared spiritual views and interests powerfully affect "A's" life style and personal career directions. This idealism is important to both "A" and "B", and "A" is ready to make material sacrifices for it. "B" idealizes "A" and "A" admires "B".

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ErickaF
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posted January 07, 2008 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I am soooo happy someone wrote about this. The biggest love of my life, his Venus conjunct EXACTLY to my IC and his MC conjunct Descendant. My MC conjunct his Uranus.
I think its a fated feeling there when you have aspects to the angles.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 07, 2008 11:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Zala! How are you? I just saw your post. (I was tap-tapping at the keyboard to post those interpretations!)

I agree...I think the angles are not given enough attention in synastry. Sure, we all know they're important, but you don't see a whole lot of info about them. And when you do, it's usually the ASC-DSC stuff.

I have NO idea how the NN-MC conjunction will play out. I think it's too early to tell. But, it's always fascinated me, too, because they are SO exact. My NN is 5 AQU 27' 31" and his MC is 5 AQU 26'44". With Placidus, the conjunction is in his 10th house (duh) and my 11th house. With the equal house system, it's in his 8th house and my 10th house. I should also mention that my venus is conjunct my NN and his MC (at 7 AQU 57'52"). So, it's hard to say if this plays out in a career thing or what.

I've pieced together a makeshift interpretation of: It's my karmic objective (NN) to help him realize his life path (MC). I didn't think of the other way around, but maybe it's also his life path to help me achieve my soul's direction. Either way, I think it sounds pretty good! lol

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 07, 2008 11:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Erika! Yeah, I agree. I think the angles definitely give a fated feeling. A while ago I posted about just angles in synastry, but there wasn't a whole lot of response.

Aside from planets aspecting angles, have you seen anything else with the angles? I've seen some pretty funky stuff with the charts between my SO and me! Like, my progressed chart has the same ASC-DSC as his natal chart (not exact degree, but close...6 degree orb). The chart for the day we met has the same ASC-DSC as our mid-point composite chart (2.5 degree orb). And I just found that my relocation chart (relocating to where he lives) has the same ASC-DSC as his progressed chart (kind of wide orb of 10 degrees, though). It's pretty fascinating. You should try it!

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 08, 2008 10:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
self-serving bumpity bump!

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writesomething
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posted January 08, 2008 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not like 10th house synastry.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 08, 2008 10:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Writesomething! Why not?

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writesomething
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posted January 08, 2008 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres something very uncomfortable about it, and theres a very self serving tone to it. "What can you do for me?" When Im in a relationship, I like the more emotional synastry aspects.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 08, 2008 10:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I can see that. And I think in some ways our relationship is like that. (The MC synastry goes both ways, but I have to admit it's mostly HIS MC that's aspected.)

But a couple of things: I don't think the MC necessarily has to do with "career"; I think it can represent a person's life path and probably public persona. Also, if you use the equal house system (which I just started taking a look at), people's MC's move around a bit, which i think may be a sign that it's not all about career.

Btw, we also have tons of "emotional" synastry stuff, too. I just thought this was interesting because I hadn't really looked at it before I got these reports.

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astrobee
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posted January 08, 2008 12:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Purple_Chick
I think synastry with MC could mean the influence on someones careeer, his life path, and more his selfimprovement.
Few days ago I found onthe web a comment on Chiron conjunction MC in syastry, just what I have with one girl. And was so suprised with so similar picture the author described...
NN and MD in synastry could mean that your life task is to help that personin a way to develope himself, to use his talents.
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posted January 08, 2008 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aspects to the Midheaven are also aspects to the Imum Coeli because Imum Coeli is Midheaven's opposite point....so domestic environment,unconscious,roots are also involved.

I even get bothered when I read cookbook interpretations in books and reports which only delineate aspects to midheaven as career,social status stuff but nothing on domestic environment,unconscious,roots.
...especially when they interpret conjunctions to the Imum Coeli in a negative way because they are oppositions to the Midheaven.

The same thing with aspects to ascendant....any aspect to ascendant is also an aspect to the descendant because descendant is opposite point of the ascendant....so aspects to ascendant can be about relationships,partnerships,and others

If you read the interpretations of Midheaven in Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology, they fuse the interpretations of the Imum Coeli with the Midheaven. Midheaven is considered the most important,personal point in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology.

They fuse the interpretations of the descendant with ascendant.

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MysticMelody
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posted January 08, 2008 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before I read what everyone else says...

first thing that came to mind:

Where you are going
is where he already appears to be

He's like the carrot before the horse. (You being the horse, bad analogy sorry hehe but hey ponies are the THING around my house)

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MysticMelody
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posted January 08, 2008 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread!

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 08, 2008 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there! Thanks for your responses!

Astrobee: sounds like some good stuff with you and this girl. Where did you find the info about Chiron-MC? Thanks!

Glaucus: You make some awesome points, especially about the IC. It's hard to find ANY info about the MC and synastry, much less any interpretations that take in the corresponding IC aspects. Maybe I'm just using a bad server! lol If you know of any good any sites with Uranian astrology, I would love to take a peek! Thanks!

MysticMelody:

quote:
Where you are going
is where he already appears to be

Hmmmm...me thinks I like that interpretation! (Even if it makes me a horse! lol Actually, I love horses so it's all good! ) What's interesting about what you said is that he and I live far apart and if we DO end up together, it would almost definitely be ME making the move! Which is fine with me, since he's such a yummy carrot! lol (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) Thanks!

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astrobee
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posted January 09, 2008 05:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Purple_Chick
I found it on http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/ascension/cosmic1.html
Bellow is one important quotation about Chiron/MC.
It is amazing how much my sory is the same as the author's including Mercury/Jupiter conjunction in her chart, my Pluto ruler etc...

But my story with that girl will be more complicated, she decided not to wtite to me more, but thanks to my insight to our synastry I am sure that she will come back.

best regards
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>Chiron is the bridge to spiritual awareness or the unconscious. "Chiron is the energetic gate from form (or Saturn) to higher awareness, Uranus. Uranus is illumination; it is kundalini breakthrough" (Barbara Hand Clow from "Chiron - Rainbow bridge between the Inner and Outer Planets" pg. 10). Therefore, one of the interpretations of the Chiron/Midheaven(MC) conjunction between individuals is that the Chiron person is empowering the MC person to reach enlightenment or the crown chakra, which connects to the higher self. The Chiron person heals the person they connect with in the area they connect in, therefore, my twin was in effect healing my consciousness by triggering my spiritual awakening. >

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 09, 2008 07:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool - thanks Astrobee. Btw, I admire your confidence that things will work out between you and your girl. I should try to be more like you, I think! Good luck!

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ErickaF
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posted January 09, 2008 11:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have any interpretations about Chiron making hard aspects to MC/IC?

Everytime I do synastry work for my friends or myself...first thing I do is look at the angles especially IC/MC...to me it gives a more closer and familiar feeling than ASC/DESC...at least in my opionion because I have felt it.

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astrobee
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posted January 09, 2008 03:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Purple_Chick
Wish you all the best regarding love. You have to look at many and many signs. In my synastry with that girl Chi/MC is just a small part, but of course, important one. She has Mercury (ruler of her Asc) conjuncts Jupiter, ruler of her mariage house in strong conjunction in Sag, the same as in that story I sent the link.
And among so many other things (some of them are not so nice, like Venus opposition Uranus in synastry, there are few things that I can be seen in her chart.
Imagine: I have centaur Cyllarus on my Asc and she has it in conjunction with her Jupiter, that represents her partner.
Also, she will have Chiron transiting her Venus soon.

Ericka, I can't help you with a good comment about hard Chiron aspect to MC, maybe not too bad, but just to show something that you have to work on? I have natal Chiron square Jupiter, but recently found that it has soem good meanings too, not just bad ones.
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Diandra23
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posted January 14, 2008 06:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This thread is awesome cause i also have a curious placement in sinastry.

And usually the reports say less than what i´d expect...

We have my AC conj his IC;
mY IC oposes his Vertex

This might sound like he feels very close to what i am?

Or that it was supposed for us to meet and become very intimate with each other?

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astrobee
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posted January 14, 2008 10:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi Diandra23
I am still not so familiar with axis in synastry, just learning, but sometimes it is possible to tell more about meanings, I am a person who search for more and more insighrs before make a conclusion.
your sinastry is:
"We have my AC conj his IC;
mY IC oposes his Vertex"

Yes, I think too, AC/IC conj. is a sign of closeness with him, with his house too.
So your MC conjuncts his Vertex, maybe he
could trigger something about your career.
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Purple_Chick_71
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posted January 14, 2008 11:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Diandra! Like Astrobee, I'm just taking a stab at this!

I think maybe your ASC conjunct his IC means that he feels very comfortable with you and the way you present yourself. I think the effect this has on you would maybe be: thoughts of making a home with this person.

Also, this means that your DSC is conjuct his MC. I think it means that you, and maybe other people, see him as your partner. (I also think this might show that you really respect him.) And perhaps HE feels that you have made him think about partnership in general, and in particular, taking that path with you.

His vertex on your MC/IC...well, the vertex is supposed to involve "fate", so I think maybe you both feel you are going in the same direction, and this was "meant to be". I'm going to guess that because his vertex is conjunct your MC and not IC, that you are moving forward together more than dwelling in the past.

Just my thoughts...take them for what they are worth! (Maybe not much! lol)

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Diandra23
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posted January 14, 2008 03:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Astrobee and Purple Chick

Thank you for your thoughts on this.
Im not an expert myself thats why ive asked hihi - you both did a great job cause really as long as i was reading your answers i felt they were true, showing the reality me and Jonnhy lives

"Maybe he could trigger sth about your career" - yes, he is the one who motivates me the most to believe in my professional dreams and he does it even uncounsciously cause my writtings went exponencially good since we´ve met ( ive been becoming more and more inspired..)

"I think maybe your ASC conjunct his IC means that he feels very comfortable with you and the way you present yourself. I think the effect this has on you would maybe be: thoughts of making a home with this person. " - we feel it since we´ve met and yes,i do see him as a future hubby hihihi

Everything else makes sense too - we´re taking the Path to be together in partnership. I feel he sees me as an ideal girl to be with him forever -its a meant to be feeling like you rightly said...


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