posted January 15, 2008 03:57 PM              

There has *got* to be a deeper meaning to the 2nd house. But still all interpretations go on about money, possessions, blah blah blah. Maybe the idea of "possessions" also includes those parts of my personality I find very unique, therefore MINE? Because the only thing I can think of that I care about having and never losing is my sense of SELF. I'm very confused.

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posted January 15, 2008 04:04 PM              

But the second house - for me- is about what you value, what is important to you, and that doesn´t have to be money.

Also, it`s the house where you seek security.

Additionally it`s a Venus-house and it has much to do with comfort, pleasure, this sensual warmth that some Taurus-people have.

I have Moon in 2nd house, and I don`t care for money other than that it gives me a feeling of security, which is the deeper meaning of my Moon in 2nd house I guess. I`m not seeking wealth or material posessions, I am seeking emotional security, a place where I belong (but I do it in Aquarius - fashion, so you can anticipate the inner drama unfolding inside of me ), and I am easily drawn to "forbidden pleasures", like eating too many sweets, which make me "full" physically, even though what I really seek is emotional fulfillment - Moon in 2nd house again.

posted January 15, 2008 04:06 PM            

exactly.....even selfworth.

btw.....Neptune in 2nd might not care about money....it could be very charitable with money
Uranus in 2nd can be detached from money.

posted January 15, 2008 04:11 PM              

wow that was a fast reply!

Selfworth - that was the word I was seeking. Thank you.

I sometimes think that the hunger for money and posessions and material things, if carried to extremes, may be a sign that someone doesn`t express his / her 2nd house in healthy ways.
Like someone tries to find the security in outer things (like money), because one can`t find security in oneself. A clear sign that their selfworth has been diminished or harmed.

But I am convinced that oyu can find security only in yourself.
A friend of mine once said to me and it`s not so long ago: "This security you`re speaking of is only illusion, if you don`t feel secure deep inside. And if oyu feel secure deep inside then there`s no need to cling to these material `proofs` of security."
I thought this was interesting.

posted January 15, 2008 04:16 PM            

If the time of birth he gave me is correct, my father has 6 planets in this house, 4 of them in Taurus. It includes the Sun conjunct Saturn. He is an immigrant who started from near the bottom of his profession to rise to quite a respectable level. I'd call that positive, but I would, I benefited from his endeavours.

Maybe you have so many planets in the 2nd as you have some issues with materialism? That is a tough ride if you live in the richest country in the world.

Or alternatively, the aspects the planets make in the 2nd have a greater flavour than the house they sit in. What are they doing? What houses do the planets rule?

posted January 15, 2008 04:20 PM              

it was that my natural inclination is to be STEADFAST and honour the essence of something. another way of seeing that is self-worth or honouring the WORTH, value of something. rarely is this *physical*; it is more about a certain nurturing, caretaking, an urge to be steadfast. does that make any sense?

posted January 15, 2008 04:26 PM            

It may not be the romantic part of life but it remains the case that people need feeding, and a roof is nice. If you are dependent on someone providing this for you it is comforting to know that they will do that and not spend it down the pub/with the local dealer/on bling.

posted January 15, 2008 04:26 PM            

I also hate my 2nd house... But mostly because I have Neptune there, so it seems like as soon as I'm taking some money in, it's going right back out again, especially during crappy transits.

However, I do feel your pain in other ways. There are certain houses that seem to be elaborated on more (and are supposedly "more important") than other houses. Whenever it comes to planets in certain houses, I tend to get tripped up more because there aren't very good in-depth definitions of them. However, when that happens, I usually just try and remember what sun sign naturally rules the house, and that helps me.

I agree with what everyone else here said: the second house has a lot to do with what we value, how we go about valuing it, self-worth, and how you achieve security (not just monetary, but also emotional and mental).

posted January 15, 2008 06:51 PM              

some time ago i was also ****** off ( is this the way you guys say mad isnt it? hihi) about the 2nd house meanings..

BUT

DD is right and Jane also said it very well: it has to do with self worth.self esteem in a certain way and the emocional security also - this is the way i feel about that house.

Specially cause it also describes how it is felt in sinastry: my venus/sun falls onto my bf´s 2nh house and i do not gie value to his finances ( in terms of seeing him as providing me financial support and security).

In fact, the security i seek from him and have its all about emocional and a sense of knowing he is always there for me. And yup since i met him that i feel much more secure about myself also - he gives me self esteem and valours me for who i am.

I have a taurus moon - this would mean also that i like beautiful surroudings and confort - its true - but the emocional is what i seek above that.

You know what?i have Uranus in 2nd hihih and Jupiter - what a funny combination!

Lucia23

youa re a writter?How wonderful! I too wanna be one - my dearest dream btw

My jup was in the 3rd in astro but after ive checked the coordinates exact of time it passed to my 2nd - in Sag which i do not complain about either!

- " In the second Jove bestows poetic faculites"

More about the 2nd House :

"Wealth is ruled by the 2nd house. The other significations are family & speech. If the 2nd house is powerful, then the probability of the native acquring wealth will be high. Accumulated property is ruled by the 2nd house."
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/vedic/vedicastro4.html

Till this, i didnt saw before that was also related to speech but its nice to know!

posted January 15, 2008 09:09 PM            

I also have a second house moon. and the saying money cant buy you happiness but with me that just isnt true lol.. Moon - feelings emotions 2nd house- possesions money etc.. the material things really can make me happy ..

posted January 15, 2008 09:19 PM            

I don't believe that lunar apogee has anything to do with seductress.

That's the problem I think that we have when labeling the lunar apogee as black moon lilith......we forget that it has lunar qualities. After all,its based on the moon's orbit. I feel that we are taking away from the lunar symbolism by naming it black moon lilith.

posted January 16, 2008 12:07 AM              

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posted January 16, 2008 03:16 AM              

Their bold-faced words/phrases sum the houses up VERY well i think

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posted January 16, 2008 05:56 AM              

But after reading them all i felt more identified with them then the Western Meanings of the houses.

posted January 16, 2008 09:34 AM            

If you look at 9th house in Vedic Astrology, 9th house is used for the father because father is seen as the guru. Nothern Indian Vedic Astrology is 9th house. In Southern Indian Vedic Astrology, 10th house is father.

4th house in Vedic Astrology is academic education and not just mother

12th house in Vedic Astrology has various meanings like foreign places,sexual pleasures,liberation,enlightenment

In Vedic Astrology, 5th house is house of intelligence and not just children as well as spiritual techniqutes

In Vedic Astrology,3rd house is a house of courage and not just siblings,communications

In Vedic Astrology,8th house is house of chronic ailments among other things

Those are examples of how Vedic Astrology houses are interpreted differently.

That's why you shouldn't mix Vedic with Western Astrology.

Vedic Astrologers use Sidereal Zodiac and use a whole sign house system which means that each house is divided equally according to the 12 signs. The Ascendant aka Lagna is not the beginning of the first house,the beginning of the sign. The midheaven is not used in Vedic Astrology.

They use the North Lunar Nodes differently

North Lunar Node aka Rahu in Vedic Astrology has to do with attachment,material desires.

South Lunar Node aka Ketu in Vedic Astrology has to do with the mystical, detachment,enlightenment

There meanings are nothing like how they are used in Western Astrology.

The aspects are different...every planet aspects the 1st and 7th house from itself.
Additionally:
Mars aspects 4th,8th house from itself
Saturn aspects 3rd,10th house from itself
Jupiter aspects 5th,9th house from itself

posted January 16, 2008 11:43 AM            

Whole sign

In the whole sign house system, sometimes referred to as the 'Sign-House system', the houses are 30° each. The ascendant designates the rising sign, and the first house begins at zero degrees of the zodiac sign in which the ascendant falls , regardless of how early or late in that sign the ascendant is. The next sign after the ascending sign then becomes the 2nd house, the sign after that the 3rd house, and so on. In other words, each house is wholly filled by one sign. This is the system used in Indian astrology, and was probably used in Hellenistic astrology, and in some early traditions of Medieval astrology. It widely believed to be the oldest system of house division.[3]

The Whole Sign system was originally developed in the Hellenistic tradition of astrology sometime around the 1st or 2nd century BCE, and from there it was passed to the Indian and early Medieval traditions of astrology. At some point in the Medieval period, probably around the 10th century, whole sign houses fell into disuse in the western tradition, and by the 20th century the system was completely unknown in the western astrological community, although was continually used in India all the way into the present time. Beginning in the 1980's and 1990's the system was rediscovered and introduced into western astrology, where it has recently started to come back into vogue again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)#Whole_sign

I am thinking of using whole house system instead. as well as using constellation zodiac....not talking about Sidereal which is different.

here is more on whole sign house system
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html
http://classicalastrology.tribe.net/thread/4f214879-77d3-41e2-8365-50f5f753761d

posted January 16, 2008 03:06 PM              

It seems more complex than the Western...