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starrym
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posted January 16, 2008 02:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i find this chart, of an acquaintance very incredible. anyone want to take a shot at what it means??

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starrym
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posted January 16, 2008 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hrmm i dont know if that showed up
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_12_take_hp.71631.996.gif&res=63&va=&cid=8fzfileS2q1Fp-u1195813414

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posted January 16, 2008 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the one hand the person seems to be at ease with everything about themselves and the outer world, on the other hand any stressful transit or progressed aspect may turn out to be real a disaster because the person is not used to challenging aspects natally and does not know how to deal with them.

P.S. People that have most supportive aspects in their charts tend to choose the path of least resistence.
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posted January 16, 2008 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man, I wished I had that chart! I have four T squares to deal with in mine and I'm ruled by Saturn which doesn't help...lol.

Anyway, in the chart you posted, it looks like this person has a short temper (moon in Aries) and also is very confident with a strong ego due to all the planets in fire signs. They also love the limelight (strong Leo influence) and may be swayed by flattery, which is not good.

If this person chooses to work hard despite having an easy chart, they could become incredibly successful. It would be in their best interest to take advantage of the wonderful aspects that they have been blessed with and do something worthwhile.

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posted January 16, 2008 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does it mean?

It means the kid needs a slap.

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted January 16, 2008 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Starrym and All,

I'd like to gently disagree that this person has an easy life because he or she (sorry, I don't know what gender the name Take would be) doesn't have traditional hard aspects such as the squares or oppositions. I'm sorry, he's got one square, Pluto squares Mercury.

I think everyone should take a long look at President Bill Clinton's chart. He also has only one square, yet we know that his life was anything but easy.

When you see a chart like this with what appears to be no developmental stress, this is the time when MINOR ASPECTS make their starring role. I'm talking about SEMI-SQUARES which are the 45 degree aspects, SESQUI-QUADRATES which are the 135 degree aspects, QUINDECILES which are incredibly strong, the 165 degree aspect. You also look for hard aspects to the Ascendant Axis, Midheaven Axis, and the Nodal Axis.

Two other things. First, CONJUNCTIONS are stressful aspects and GRAND TRINES are not the "GOOD LUCK" aspect we've been told they are. The FIRE GRAND TRINE in this chart suggests a closed circuit of motivational self-sufficiency. It is a huge defense mechanism, this person does everything himself or he lets you believe he can do everything himself, therefore it can guard against relationship because he may refuse to be helped. It can make those in relationship with him think that they are not needed.

Now, I don't know him, but that's some of what I would introduce into discussion with this person if he were my client.

He has 3 SESQUI-QUADRATES and 1 SEMI-SQUARE. He has 2 SEMI-SQUARES if you are an astrologer who used Chiron. Chiron semi-squares his Mercury. He also has 3 CONJUNCTIONS. I myself would call it 5 CONJUNCTIONS because there is such a huge focus within that stellium, I'm sure there is some bleed through to some of the looser conjunctions there.

Last, but not least, he's got Uranus quindecile Ascendant and Mercury quindecile MC.

Unfortunately I don't have time to read this chart, but for those who wish to take a crack at it, interpret the SEMI-SQUARES, SESQUI-QUADRATES and QUINDECILES as if they were squares. If you were to have an appointment with this man and include those aspects to lead you in discussion with him, you would see that he has anything but an easy life.

I also find it interesting to see the chart of someone who was born 2 days before The Harmonic Convergence, do any of the people my age remember that weekend? I saw my very first shooting star that Saturday night, but I was severely heartbroken over my first love. Oh well.

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posted January 16, 2008 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea that many trines dont always tend to be so good.

how would you say he is incredible? does he have any depth of character to him?

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posted January 16, 2008 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thing too.......his Ascendant is quincunx by Neptune and Pluto with 57 and 51 minutes of arc respectively. Quincunxes are aspects that can be challenging as they require the need for revision,adjustment. Actually his Ascendant is apex of a yod with Neptune and Pluto.

If you look at the large Kuiper belt objects which are objects that beyond Neptune

Sun square Quaoar with 9 minutes of arc
Sun square Ixion with 50 minutes of arc
Moon quincunx Ixion with 37 minutes of arc
Moon quincunx Huya with 34 minutes of arc
Mercury square Chaos with 16 minutes of arc
Venus square Quaoar with 2'28 orb
Venus square Ixion with 1'46 orb

Chiron is one of many of other centaurs in our solar system....here is some more hard aspects involving Centaurs besides Chiron:
He has Pholus square Midheaven with 32 minutes of arc
He has Nessus square Ascendant with 34 minutes of arc


Here is information about kuiper belt objects and centaurs http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

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posted January 16, 2008 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Glaucus,

With his ASC being the apex of a Yod with Neptune and Pluto, we both know how important that is because it also means that ASC=Neptune/Pluto as a midpoint picture. There really is so much here to suggest that he has a lot of developmental tension to push his life forward.

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posted January 16, 2008 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I agree....the orb of that midpoint picture is only 3 minutes too.

He has Moon oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint with only 24 minutes of arc. As you know, Mars/Saturn midpoint is viewed as rather difficult by cosmobiologists.


He also has stationary retrograde Saturn,stationary retrograde Uranus,and stationary direct Pluto.

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posted January 16, 2008 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a guy born about a day and a half later (the only difference is - his Moon is Taurus)

He is:

- organized
- intelligent enough but highly naïve and condescending
- knows what he wants
- good at speeches
- probably good as a leader (from what he mentioned)

On the negative side:

- does not have any understanding of people on a deeper level - on an emotional level.

- seems slightly alien because of his lack of understanding.

- he's very detached and only talks about surface issues. He knows he is 'missing' something in this department so he tries to fake emotion, but it comes across as superficial.

- he is highly self-centered and feels superior to others – but pretends that he is meek and modest.

- he has high goals for self-centered reasons.. although he will lie and say he has charitable goals to make himself look prettier..

- he would do anything to get what he wants – he would sell his soul, or back-stab his best friend to get what he wants, and once he has it he'd toss it out.. and move on to the next thing


- he is extremely distrustful of everyone. You pretty much can't have a normal lighthearted conversation with the guy..

- most people are skeptical of him in return (with good reason)

- appearance wise he is - I guess, what one would call – "dorky" - and has some nervous ticks.. which can seem a bit odd at times.

- he is involved with a shady group/organization and believes in their rules/teachings.. which are basically to control/manipulate others) - Picture - Tom Cruise and Scientology.

- The most naïve 20 yr old I've ever met.. quite weak-minded and weak-willed but has an image of himself as very strong and powerful.. although as soon as a problem comes up he hides behind the person next to him.

- very closed-minded… if anyone happens to disagree with his delusions.. he gives them a snotty look that says "you poor poor deluded person.. who has no idea what they are talking about"

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Sarai
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posted January 16, 2008 09:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woaaaah, this kind of chart can go either way. I agree with what was said about Clinton's chart. Astrology is all about potential, not actuality.

Can you tell us a little about your friend?

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CoralFrequency
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posted January 16, 2008 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and (thanks for mentioning Clinton again) - because I wanted to add - even though the guy I mentioned is Leo/Taurus moon.. He is NOTHING like Clinton. No comparison whatsoever.

Clinton has a very sociable, friendly and charismatic character. He has a Libra Venus/Mars/Neptune conjunction on his Asc. - very different to the chart above (no air, no earth, and a singleton Pluto in water)

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posted January 16, 2008 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coral,

Is there something wrong with Tom Cruise and his beliefs in Scientology?

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posted January 16, 2008 10:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
--Nothing wrong with Tom Cruise & Scientology---let him believe whatever he likes...we don't own him
He's FREE, WHITE & 21

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CoralFrequency
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posted January 16, 2008 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was saying the guy I mentioned - comes across like Tom Cruise in the sense that he is very firm and unyielding in his views.
I don't think there is anything wrong with this attitude - other than missing out on other information or other perspectives due to being very set in your own opinions.

I'm completely neutral about Scientology itself. I've heard good and bad stories.

PS.. Btw I don't actually know for a fact whether Tom Cruise is obstinate in his views as I do not know him personally.. This is just the way he comes across in the media. The guy I *do* know.. is similar to the "image" Tom Cruise has.

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posted January 16, 2008 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mhax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cant see anything

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posted January 16, 2008 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Tom Cruise,

and I am partial to the beliefs of scientology.

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CoralFrequency
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posted January 16, 2008 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I have a feeling Tom Cruise might be getting more bashed in Australian media ever since the split with Nicole. Maybe he isn't portrayed the same way in the US.

I mostly like him in interviews.. and he's a very good actor.

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starrym
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posted January 16, 2008 11:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh hi friends,
though i said his _chart_ is incredible, no no no his life is not quite incredible. of course, it's hard to glean entirely because he's a very closed person and somewhat private.

i wonder what he would think of his chart, being so beautiful (his is very rigid in his opinions, and to add, his is a mathematician which a very high regard for science as the only true path to knowledge).

he is also quite insecure in social relations. he distances himself from all his friends due to this persistent habit of telling them what he really thinks about them. i get the suspicion that he has been deeply rejected at some point, and distances himself from people as a coping mechanism.

he has the Leo characteristics of being slightly pompous. he loves talking about things as if he understands them completely. i have seen him be kind and sensitive before, so he is not all bad news, but he can be a very difficult personality to be around.

he also has a hard background - comes from a third world country (i'm not sure how he came to college here exactly) and i get the impression that his family is pretty tough. he is always tight on money and lives very minimally.

he has a hard time finishing his assignments on time and getting disciplined. i get the impression though, that does have many talents. his is very good at higher level math.

CoralFrequency, i can relate to many of the descriptions you listed.. you esp hit it on the nail with

" feels superior to others "

i get this impression often from him.

at times, i felt like he was trying to relate to others. he's a tad bit short (i noticed Leos can often be shorter or taller than usual) and i feel like he feels like he gets pushed off to the side too much.

"he is extremely distrustful of everyone"

another one that hits it on the nail. he has this look while you're speaking to him.. seems to say "do you really take yourself seriously?". i feel like its another self-defense mechanism.


i think this chart is very interesting to study! i often think of trines as the best aspects of all - you can imagine my total surprise when i pulled up his chart and saw this.

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posted January 16, 2008 11:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
by the way, since the picture expired, for any late comers - he was born Aug 14, 1987 at 12:55 am in Thailand

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starrym
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posted January 17, 2008 12:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, Geocosmic Valentine, I just want to say that this:

" The FIRE GRAND TRINE in this chart suggests a closed circuit of motivational self-sufficiency. It is a huge defense mechanism, this person does everything himself or he lets you believe he can do everything himself, therefore it can guard against relationship because he may refuse to be helped. It can make those in relationship with him think that they are not needed."

is very, very accurate here. thanks.

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CoralFrequency
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posted January 17, 2008 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starrym - when I first met him..I used to be very nice in my interpretation of him. I also thought that maybe he was being ostracized by others or misunderstood (I thought he was hurt/rejected etc.. that's how he came across).. so I tried to be his friend and gradually I realized that it wasn't other people ostracizing him.. It was him putting others down and acting condescending.. which makes them distance themselves.

Although.. obviously your guy may be very different. Considering his background - he has probably experienced much larger life problems than the Leo I mentioned.

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posted January 17, 2008 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mhax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like my chart several planets in Leo moon in Aries in a Grand Trine of fire and grand trine of earth.

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starrym
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posted January 17, 2008 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CoralFrequency,
I'm not entirely sure about his background and how much it really affects him. He never talks about it - meaning it can swing either way. I definitely think he has a habit of criticizing others who are essentially unassociated to him and haven't done anything to him. Thanks for your input.

Of course, I very much doubt every chart like this manifests in a negative way. As I said before, he has a sunny side too.

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