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Topic: Am I invisible?
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Azalaksh
Knowflake Posts: 985
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 23, 2008 02:11 PM
  
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The thing that bugs me is people coming to this forum and starting a new thread asking for an interpretation of their own chart. Then, after they got what they wanted, you never see any of them ever again. They don't contribute to other threads in this forum. I see the forum as a give and take situation ... there's nothing wrong with asking other people for their opinion and help on certain matters ... after all, that's what forums are all about. But you have to be willing to contribute on threads of other people as well.
Well said, SagSun  The main purpose of this Astrology forum here at LL is: “Chat about astrology, horoscopes, natal interpretations, synastries, astral twins, etc.” – keyword being “chat.” This is not a free chart interpretation service. Again, for any who might be confused, this is not a judgment of anyone in particular or anyone in this thread.And btw, funnyface….. quote:
And Zala and all the others like BM, 8Moon, diandra baby me so I love it.
Even if you were joking, I find that a bit off-putting. I treat you like the grown adult that you are. I will share my knowledge, or point you to someone who can help you – but I don’t “baby” anyone here at LL. And I don’t expect thankyou’s but they are pleasant to read. BM, 8M, diandra and I may treat you with patience and kindness, but your translation of that into “babying” I find distasteful. quote:
So, all you veterans of astrology, pl. treat us novices with kindness.
life is short,please be nice to people less knowledgable than you.
But from the way people have been using this thread as an example to come on strongly on newcomers, I am afraid to ask any Qs now.
If there are any rules to asking Qs, pl. let us know. It is not arrogance that makes us newcomers post charts without any background infor, just ignorance.
Walk a mile in a man's skin before judging him.
As far as I can tell, people in this thread were just expressing opinions, not ganging up on you personally, judging you personally. There is no reason to fear asking questions here – you’re not that timid, are you??  And there are no “Rules for Questions” except to keep them free from racism, pornography and insults.  IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 23, 2008 04:10 PM
Zala,
I was not whining to begin with but I got labelled as a whiner.
Similarly, I did not mean babying as in a derogatory term, I am a newcomer to astrology and all of you did literally hold my hand to lead me in the right direction. If you find that distasteful, so be it.
I had asked something about Magi, the thread has 2 replies to astrology, rest is all about how newbies are freeloaders.
2 out of 25! that is not ganging up?
Nice going, Zala.Very encouraging.
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writesomething
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posted January 23, 2008 04:14 PM
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Zala,
I was not whining to begin with but I got labelled as a whiner.
Similarly, I did not mean babying as in a derogatory term, I am a newcomer to astrology and all of you did literally hold my hand to lead me in the right direction. If you find that distasteful, so be it.
I had asked something about Magi, the thread has 2 replies to astrology, rest is all about how newbies are freeloaders.
2 out of 25! that is not ganging up?
Nice going, Zala.Very encouraging.
alright Im done being nice. you are whiny and inconsiderate. you also sound like a manipulative person. if you dont understand the point everyone has been making, i dont know what to tell you.
only way to learn astrology is to teach yourself! its a labor of love. all the oldtimers have been newbies, and we know how we're treating you. we know the only way is to force you to teach yourself. learning astrology isnt for the weak nor is it for the lazy. im really getting tired of your childish posts to be honest. most astrologers charge a lot of money for readings, and i dont think you realize the work that goes into it. maybe once you force yourself to learn with the rest of us(because iam always learning), you will understand where we are coming from. IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 23, 2008 04:17 PM
Writesomething,
Pl. dont get personal. Also when you dont know me, pl dont pass judgement about my personality.
Dont read and write an answer, if you are tired of the posts.IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2008 05:57 PM
hhhmmmmmm .. i could be wrong ..
but i took FF's initial post in this thread to be written in a rather lighthearted way ..
i.e. not whining ..
i guess it depends on how one reads it .. and what mood one may be in when reading it ..
( as in i think people sometimes have a tendency to impose their own moods onto a text post .. maybe ..
( given that there are generaly few other clues as to the emotion behind many posts ..anyhow .. funnyface .. at the end of the day .. best way to learn about astrology is teach yourself ..
that's what i was told when i asked an astrolger to teach me about it ..
he basicaly said "do your own research" .. and he was right .. :-)
and i daresay .. books are better than the internet for that purpose ..
and .. aquiring some astrolgy software is not a bad idea either .. i.e. for observational research purposes etc
that way you can come to your own conclusions about astrology and how it may or may not effect people ..
'n if you don't get an answer to your posted queries .. just bump the thread after a while ..
( i.e. keep in mind the 'computer media' interface and all that entails .. i.e. the text communicating format
( and .. that most ppl are generally not here 24/7 ..
( and may or may not be able to answer any queries .. or feel like doing so at any given time ..
and whilst waiting for a reply try googling your queries .. or visiting a library or bookshop .. anyhow .. that my tupennies worth .. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Knowflake Posts: 985
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 23, 2008 06:08 PM
Funnyface, quote:
I was not whining to begin with but I got labelled as a whiner.
If you said “SOB. SULK.” in fun (which could have been clarified by using smilies) it probably would have prevented some of the venting in this thread, which *again* is not aimed primarily at you. In a place such as this, where you cannot see facial expressions or body language, or hear tone of voice or laughter, we are dependent upon words. Smilies are a useful addition to help express ourselves clearly. If English is a second language it can be even more difficult to express oneself clearly. quote:
I did try to interp my synastry chart with Magi guidelines. As I said, U get prejudiced and see only the good parts and not the bad ones. Hence the request for help.Used the astro123 software too to try and understand, but now it looks like I am being chastised for posting stuff which I did not even know I was doing wrong.
Feels like a lynch mob.
Why would you “get prejudiced and see only the good parts” of your chart?? It would seem to make more sense to me that one would concentrate on and learn about the “bad” parts of one’s chart, since those might be the greatest obstacles to overcome. Yes, some of us are taking your hand and “leading you in the right direction” but you’re NOT a baby. Yes it’s my idiosyncracy, but when I think of “babying” someone over 30 I go “ewwww”  quote:
Nice going, Zala.Very encouraging.
And what kind of encouragement is it that you require, luv?? Only the good parts??  You have Neptune conjunct Sun natally. I know what a difficult aspect that can be when it comes to seeing oneself and one’s behavior clearly.I wonder if the issue in your astrological understanding and progress might be that you’ve jumped into the deep end too quickly. Are you clear on what the planets, signs and houses represent?? Have you learned the synthesis of planet in sign, and then planet in sign in house?? I wouldn’t be remarking on this if I hadn’t learned the hard way not to impatiently dive in to advanced topics without a firm foundation in the basics. I would also like to suggest that using the terms “bad” and “good” in relation to your natal chart and transits is unproductive  Zala IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 23, 2008 06:09 PM
Hi Happydragon,
It was meant to be a funny thread, I was not complaining or whining. And I was not trying to force anyone to do all my spadework, I read up about Magi and since had no other chart but mine to look at did that. since my chart got lost in the thread, I thought of starting a new one in a funny vein, to get someone to advice me.
But trying to force me to learn astrology in a very short time and doing it this way is not right. It feels almost vicious.
Zala too misunderstood anything I wrote. While I am appreciative of her help, she thinks that I am being disrespectful.
I have been looking at charts and other aspects only recently, it still boggles my mind when I hear a lot of new terms.
Calling me names and being vindictive does not make me learn astrology at a faster rate.IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 23, 2008 06:26 PM
Zala,
I did not know how to drag a smiley into my message, so I posted it on top of my message.Plus my subsequent messages were also in a lighter vein, nothing sulky about them.
As I said you were not "babying" me in the literal sense, but since I am a relative fresher, you were being nice. You are being offended by a compliment.
I admit, I don't understand everything, but that I why I am here. I can also see myself clearly and I know I dont understand astrology, so am asking for help.
I am prejudiced in the sense that when I see some of the aspects that I want I try to make them important and hope that the unfavourable ones are just a passing transit. That is why it helps to have someone say that it is wrong to do so.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Knowflake Posts: 985
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 23, 2008 06:42 PM
funnyface ~You don't "drag" a smiley into your message
What you do is click on a hyperlink called "Smilies Legend" just to the left of where you are typing in the LL-text-reply-box. That will open a new page and bring up the list of smilies that you can then select from.
Or, you can type the ones you know with punctuation marks/letters -- I'm putting a dash in the middle, but this: :-D makes this: (when typed without the dash). quote:
You are being offended by a compliment.
I admit, I don't understand everything, but that I why I am here. I can also see myself clearly and I know I dont understand astrology, so am asking for help.
I am prejudiced in the sense that when I see some of the aspects that I want I try to make them important and hope that the unfavourable ones are just a passing transit. That is why it helps to have someone say that it is wrong to do so.
I wouldn’t say I was “offended” or felt disrespected, funnyface – and I didn’t use either of those words
It’s wonderful that you’re asking for help, but others above here in this string have explained why you don’t always get it PRONTO. I know you’re excited about learning astrology and applying it to yourself and other people you know to gain a better understanding, but the basics are essential. When you have the basics down, you have a better feel for “aspects you want to try to make important”. And, all of them, whether positive or challenging, are really just passing transits ;-D Even your natal chart “changes” as you age and understand yourself better. The wisdom and experience you gain just by living causes you to react differently to stressors.But some days the Moon is just in a BAD place, and no matter what side of the bed you got up from it was the wrong side  PS: Just a suggestion – Please google/read up on Sun conjunct Neptune. Here’s a link to start with: http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/sunneptuneaspects.html IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted January 23, 2008 07:06 PM
~ FF ~
re: * it still boggles my mind when I hear a lot of new terms. *be some bits 'n pieces of info on this page .. ~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/audiofls.html ~ for various technical reasons that page and associated linked pages sometimes get temporarily deleted from the server ..
there are instructions at the top on how to download the lot and use it from off your computers hard drive ..
it's about 1 megabyte in total .. IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 23, 2008 07:23 PM
Hi Happy dragon,
Thanks for the link, am going to learn from it.
Zala,
It’s wonderful that you’re asking for help, but others above here in this string have explained why you don’t always get it PRONTO"Explained" is an understatement. IP: Logged |
Node
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posted January 24, 2008 10:12 AM
FF-> 
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Node
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posted January 24, 2008 10:14 AM
the guy 
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Node
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posted January 24, 2008 10:22 AM
SYN->  Better late than never. And I too thought the original post was cheeky/amusing. Let me know if these are wrong...~Node
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funnyface
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posted January 24, 2008 11:13 AM
Hi Node,
Thanks a lot, I can never get my cahrt to upload that well. So I end up posting the link, which does not look half as attractive. I love the " Useful Idiot" quip abt him.
With so many of our planets in conjunction and with his planets in my 7th house and vice versa, I had thought that this would mean a strong bond. But my Venus opposes his mars so that may be a strong aspect against a relationship.Plus the moon uranus thing also works against it.
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funnyface
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posted January 24, 2008 11:18 AM
Hey Node,
I thought he had a trine in his natal, but I usually use the default setting on astro.com. Ur data is correct so I think the way I put the orbs is not correct.
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Node
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posted January 24, 2008 11:33 AM
I was signing off--have to go. Will come back w/ thoughts...I used Placidus because it is universal, and 40% orb fact for all three charts. All of the info is on the chart. Even the date created. [bottom right] Smaller orbs for a SYN are more common. Then, especially if you include the major asteroids as I did you can branch out I should have kept it basic. and used 100% w/o asteroids for the natals..but the 'roids/POF/Vertex were important IMO.IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 24, 2008 12:14 PM
Hi Node,
Your charts are great, any confusion is all my fault. As I said I used the default settings with no asteroids. Your charts give a better picture of the stuff going on in natal chart.
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lalalinda
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From: nevada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 24, 2008 06:02 PM
well I'm gonna help you pronto
where we at
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funnyface
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posted January 24, 2008 06:04 PM
Thanks LL.IP: Logged |
Node
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posted January 24, 2008 06:52 PM
Hi ya Face; Back for a short one..Useful Idiot is a Tool  song~ btw Much of what I say here now if you already know it, is not patronizing. I don't know the particulars of your relationship. Or what you know or do not know about that cosmic ocean we call universe. Read Astro dictionaries Most of the majors have them Read all of the 101's of House, aspects, signs, modalities, etc Respect yourself first. Learn your own chart backwards and forwards as much as you can. Most women go further w/ astro stuff because of a man. I am no different. I saw Moon conjunct Moon and Venus and all the pretty blue and went- ah! I knew it! We will have great sex, he will be my soul mate! and so on. think of the dynamics of a conjunction. It is stressful. Positive energy if used wisely.The GOOGLE as GOD. Any and every aspect and scenario is on the web. Use different search terms for the same thing. Different sites will pop up. Simply typing Sun square Venus, Venus square Sun, Natal Sun square Venus and so on. If you are a geek this will take months of effort...just for your own chart! If you are not a natural student...you probably quit already Then do the same thing for the guys chart. Bored yet? Then we come to books. All of those sites you have been on will recommend leaders in study. If you are still pursuing knowledge buy used on Amazon and save major cash.Play around on astro.com. Click on everything! If you don't know what the hell your reading, back to the dictionary. Now you are ready for Sabian symbols, Arabic parts,synastry and composites, Davison, tertiary, mid-points, et all That is what is so cool, you are never done. There is always more to learn Zala made a good point about Neptune- I would also note your Moon as a Cardinal Earth Singleton, in a Cardinal Earth House. The main reason I ran your chart was the 11/22- figured you would have Sun at 29 [anorectic] Scorpio.  ps that Ceres/Lilith/Uranus creative 5th to~ others~ 7th is quite nice  not to mention a well positioned Saturn/Pluto lucky you. IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 24, 2008 07:08 PM
Hey Node,
Bill Clinton too has a singleton moon, guess I could be famous one day. Smiles.IP: Logged |
funnyface
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posted January 24, 2008 07:13 PM
Hey Node,
I am trying to google, but am not finding it yet. Can you pl. explain what an anorectic scorpio means?
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