posted January 30, 2008 11:42 AM              

I read in an analysis of Diana`s Death, that the asteroid Atropos was a clear sign that she would find death with Dodi.

However, I Know I shouldn`t have looked, and I am probably just being paranoid, but I have found a VERY unsettling pattern in the synastry with P, including those "fate"-asteroids and name asteroids.

In my chart:

Moira:
square Moon
trine Juno
trine Saturn
conjunct Lancelot
square P (his name)
opposite DD (my name)
conjunct Unitas

(all aspects are between 2° - 3°)

Klotho:
opposite Saturn 0°16
sextile Juno 0°15
sextile Lancelot 0°26
trine DD 0°14

Lachesis:
square Psyche 0°01
square Pyramus 0°36

Atropos:
conjunct Moon
opposite Cupido 0°06
square Lancelot
square DD

in P`s chart:

Moira:
sextile Sun
square Moon
conjunct SN
opposite Atropos
square Juno
trine Lust
conjunct Frigga
opposite HOuse
square P
trine Pyramus

Klotho:
sextile Venus
conjunct Jupiter
opposite luto
conjunct Chiron
conjunct Lachesis
sextile Karma
trine Spirit 0°54
sextile Aphrodite
sextile Astarte 0°24
conjunct DD (3°43)

Lachesis:
sextile Venus 0°01
conjunct jupiter
trine Spirit 0°08
opposite isis
opposite Psyche
widely conjunct DD (4°45)

Atropos:
sextile Sun 0°18
squrae moon
conjunct NN 0°33
square Unitas
opposite Frigga
quinkunx Amor 0°15
sextile Lust 0°29
conjunct hOuse 0°18
sextile Guinevere
square P (0°31

I found a rather unsettling pattern from the natals alone here:

- my name is aspecting Moira, Klotho and Atropos in my chart
- my name is aspecting Klotho and Lachesis in his chart
- his name is aspecting Moira in my chart
- his name is aspecting Moira and Atropos in his chart

- in my chart MOira and ATropos are aspecting my Moon, which happens to be the ruler of my 8th house - which alone gives me shivers; the goddess of DEath conjuncting the ruler of the death-house *gulping*; it does make me feel VERY uncomfortable

- in his chart Moria and Atropos are also aspecting his Moon (making a T-square)

- in my chart Moira and Klotho are aspecting Juno, in his chart MOira is aspecting Juno

- in my chart Moira, Klotho and Atropos are aspecting Lancelot, in his chart Atropos is aspecting Guinevere

- in his chart Moira is conjunct his SN and Atropos is conjunct his NN

If the natals alone were unsettling, the synastry makes my stomach churn, really:

posted January 30, 2008 12:01 PM            

just a note that though 407 Arachne is not one of the three Fates with weaving/thread/life attributes. I use it in tandum with Clotho/Klotho spinning/thread. Lachesis etc

Arachnç (‘spider’), in Greek myth, a woman of Lydia who challenged the goddess Athena to a contest in weaving. She depicted in her web the amours of the gods, and Athena, angered at her presumption and choice of subject, tore the web to pieces and beat the weaver. Arachne in despair hanged herself, but Athena turned her into a spider.

posted January 30, 2008 12:06 PM              

my Moira:

conjunct his Neptpune
square his NN
square his Atropos (2°28 - too wide?)
trine his Amor
square his Boda
square HIs House
quinkunx his Guinevere (0°01)
conjunct his P (2°56)
oposite his Unitas )0°38)

his MOira

conjunct my Moon (0°59)
conjunct my Atropos
trine my Karma
opposite my Cupido
square my Lancelot
square my DD
trine my Kama

the important ones (as I think):

my Moira conjunct his Chartruler Neptune
my Moria square his NN / Atropos
my Moira quinkunx his Guinevere
my Moira conjunct his P

his Moira conjunct my Moon / Atropos
his MOira square my Lancelot
his Moira square my DD

KLOTHO:

square his Sun 0°21
trine his Moon
quinkunx his NN
quinkunx his Atropos 0°39
sextile his Amor 0°55
quinkunx his Lust
quinkunx his House (0°58
sextile his P (0°09)
trine his Unitas
(widely conjunct his Kama)

his Klotho:
sextile my Venus
square my Mars 0°10
square my ASC
conjunct my Freia
conjunct my Ishtar
sextile my Boda
square my Lust
sextile my Tristan

the important ones:

- my Klotho aspecting his Sun, Moon and NN
- my Klotho aspecting his name and Antropos
- a dw of Klotho-Lust (quinkunx / square)

LACHESIS:

My Lachesis:

conjunct his Juno
squqare his Union
sextile his Lovas
trine his Galatea =°37
trine his Kama

His Lachesis:
sextile my Venus
square my Mars
conjunct my Freia
sextile my Boda 0°19
sextile my Tristan 0°15

ATROPOS:

my Atropos:
square his Moon 0°25
conjunct his SN
opposite his ATropos
square his Juno
conjunct his Frigga 0°11
opposite his House
square his P
trine his Pyramus 0°46

His ATropos:
opposite my Moon 0°32
square my Moira
quinkunx my Klotho
quinkunx my Juno 0°26
sextile my Karma 0°33
conjunct my Cupido
square my Lancelot 0°13
square my DD 0°24
sextile my Kama 0°13

the important ones:

- exact DW on Atropos - Moon (and we also have that natally!)
- my Atropos opposite his ATropos / NN
- dw on Atropos / juno
- my Atropos square his name (in his chart); his Atropos square my name

To have a clearer picture of this:

my name in my chart: 16°59 Taurus
his Moon: 19°23 Taurus
his Juno: 21°23 Taurus

my Cupido: 19°54 Leo
his NN: 16°01 Leo
his HOuse: 16°15 Leo
his Atropos: 16°34 sd

my Lancelot: 16°47 Scorpio
his name in his chart: 17°04 Scorpio
my Moira: 14°08 Scorpio

my Moon: 17°07 Aquarius
his Frigga: 19°37 Aquarius
my Atropos: 19°47 Aquarius
his Moira: 18°05 Aquarius

But does this mean? Does this mean we would bring each other only death and destruction?

I`m feeling really uneasy now.

DD

posted January 30, 2008 12:49 PM              

And yes, I got the feeling, that we died together.

So, you don`t think Atropos announces unavoidable tragedy in every case?

However, I included Arachne, like Node suggested, and it should really not come as surprise anymore, but I noticed:

My Arachne (conjunct my NN and ASC) and trine his MErcury / Eros.
HIs Arachne conjunct my Sun / Mercury.

Mercury is ruler of the 7th house in both charts. *Deep sigh*

posted January 30, 2008 01:01 PM            

Here she is here, on the right:

posted January 31, 2008 02:32 AM            

(Edit: lol, sorry for reposting your same link, blue moon! At least we agree on which link was best. )

quote:

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Moira (Greek) Plural morai or morae. One's allotted share; destiny. As a proper name, there was originally only one Moira, but later there were three: Lachesis, Clotho, and Atropos. Lachesis is from a root lach, as in lagchano "to obtain that which has already been determined or fixed"; she is depicted as a grave maiden holding a staff pointing to a horoscope, signifying that which man has built in the past is now unfolding. She was occultly connected with the earth.

Clotho or Klotho is from a verb meaning "to spin," and is represented as a woman holding a spindle, spinning thread which is man's destiny, that which he is at present weaving for the future, and is connected with the future in that what we weave now determines what our future shall be. Thus it is linked with the psychological part of human nature, and connected occultly with the moon. Atropos is from a verb meaning "impossible to set aside or evade," and therefore is translated as "inevitable, ineluctable."

It was often represented as a woman pointing to a sundial signifying that as the sun brings its light to the earth, so the future shall bring its destiny to man, as the flying hours unfold what comes to us out of the womb of time. Thus we have Lachesis representing the ineluctable destiny coming to us in our present life on earth from our past; Clotho, the present spinning of our future destiny because of the actions and reactions, mental and emotional, by which we are now weaving the web of fate which someday will become the present; and Atropos, the ineluctable and inescapable future represented as held in store, every thread of which has been woven by ourselves in past and present. Their respective functions are sometimes interchanged. Equivalent to the Latin Parcae and Fata, and the Scandinavian Norns.

It is only in this world that the action of fate seems extraneous to human will, for in reality we are the weaver of our own fates. The Morai are karmic agents or forces rather than karma, which is fundamentally the law governing universal equilibrium. In its essence the constant working of cosmic harmony, karma must of necessity manifest itself in multimyriad forms and manners -- in and through multimyriad agents or forces...

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They don't sound so bad to me. Sound like exciting agents for introducing you to life experiences you're meant to have.

posted January 31, 2008 11:01 AM            

Atropos conjunct (exact) Chiron in the 7th house

Lachesis trine (exact) my MC

Klotho in my 4th house