posted February 02, 2008 08:03 AM              

I know I already started a topic today, but there has another question coming up.

I think I do understand that the name asteroids of our personal names or nicknames seem to contain traits we identify with.

On a sidenote: It`s funny but the two friends I feel closest to have their name asteroid at approximately the same place in their chart, as mine is placed in mine.

my name: 16°58 Taurus
friend F: 19°50 Taurus
friend A: 14°25 Taurus

Also, that guy has his NN on 15°21 Taurus, which would imply that all of us could cross his lifepath at some point (at least A and me have a rather close conjunction to his NN).
But interestingly only my name asteroid has an exact aspect to his NN, when placed in his chart (a quinkunx with an orb of 0°01).

But that wasn`t what I wanted to ask.
Instead I wondered what meaning the family names could have, when in aspect to planets / asteroids.
Anyone has an idea?

posted February 02, 2008 10:43 AM            

The day I was born, my asteroid was conjunct my father's Moon. My father named me and my brother the previous year, while my mother was asleep. She had "hippie" names picked out for us because it was the late 60's and she was gonna name me something like "Flower" or "Patchoullie" or something.

Anyway, it really freaked me out when I saw that.

My father did the same thing the year before with my brother. Although I can't remember where his name sits in my father's chart right now, it is also in a very prominent spot on the day he was born.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 02, 2008 11:05 AM              

Before I always thought of them as nunsense, like astrologers are gripping for straws. But now I think they are so fascinating.

LIke in my dad`s chart, his name asteroid on 18° Leo and my mum`s name on 16° Aquarius are opposite each other.
And funny enough, my natal Moon is on 17° Aquarius and my brother`s ASC is on 18° Aquarius.

EDIT:

Also, the names are interestingly placed in the charts of the two actors / singers I have been talking about.

In the case with P:
My name is exactly conjunct his Chiron and ASC opposing his Pluto.
(it`s also exactly sextile his Karma and Venus)
There`s a second name asteroid of mine and this one, placed in his chart, is exactly conjunct his Mars and Amor.

ONe of his name asteroids is tightly conjunct my Sun-Moon-midpoint and Antivertex and opposes my Eros.

Synastrically, his name asteroid in his chart is exactly opposite my name in my chart, with other aspects to both sets of Moon and Juno figuring in.

With A it is:
HIs name in my chart is conjunct my Mars, ASC and NN.
Also, very interesting his name in my chart and his name in his chart are exactly conjunct (and he is 8 years older than me).
His second name in my chart is opposite my Venus.

My name is not as powerfully placed in his chart, since it is only conjunct Mercury and quinkunx his NN (but both aspects are exact).
Synastrically my name in my chart is conjunct his NN, and his name in his chart is conjunct my ASC though.

But what is really interesting is P`s chart, because A`s name asteroid and mine are exactly conjunct in P`s chart. It`s like, in regard to P, we radiate a very similiar energy. lol

I know it`s just toying around, but it`s amazing to find such connections.

posted February 02, 2008 11:51 AM              

What I gather from this is that I identify with my "family name" and give a good impression on my family name.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted February 02, 2008 11:55 AM            

The name asteroids in my chart and others I have looked at; has led me to a few conclusions.

posted February 02, 2008 12:22 PM              

so if I got that right, you`d say the first name would point to your personal persona, like the IC; and the family name to your public persona, like MC?

My last name is in Pisces in 3rd house, and my job actually involves the ability to communicate, since I am a teacher.

My first name is in Taurus in my 5th house, and I don`t see how I could ever sacrifice my hobbies for my job, even though Pluto is on the MC.
But I tend to spend a lot of time talking and thinking about my job.

The name, my name was originally derived from, falls into Libra in my 10th house, but I don`t know if that bears any significance.

posted February 02, 2008 12:48 PM            

Yes, and then I *work* with it!

A couple years ago when I saw that last in the same degree as vertex I went

Oh, and this guy I fell for? His first is 29 Taurus in my chart.....Eros and Pan are 29 Taurus.

posted February 03, 2008 12:25 AM              

My last name is Keagle which is an evolved and Americanized form of the German "Kegel" .. there is a "Kegler" on the astro.com list so I use that because it is similar in sound and spelling to the name which my last name was derived from.

And for DD: I feel that it still is significant.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted February 03, 2008 02:12 AM            

In my chart:

Andrewsong in 11'30 Pisces Stationary Direct in 6th (the sign of both my grandfather's and my moon) stationary bodies are strong energies
oppose Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
square Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini

Carandrews in 10'52 Libra in 2nd
oppose Chiron in 10'32 Aries Retrograde
trine/sextile Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius in 5th/Leo in 11th
trine Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
sesquiquadrate Mars - '02

Andres Bello in 15'39 Sagittarius in 4th (my roots,my mother and her family)
sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
trine Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th (my mother,family)
square Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo

Declinations:
Andrewsong parallel Uranus - '06
contraparallel Ascendant - '58
contraparallel Chiron - '37

Andres Bello parallel Mercury - '48
parallel Neptune - '15
contraparallel Saturn - '10

In my mother's chart

Andrewsong in 3'00 Scorpio Stationary Direct in 5th (her children) stationary bodies are strong energies
conjunct Saturn in 3'04 Scorpio in 5th
trine Jupiter in 4'29 Cancer in 1st (Jupiter is co-ruler of Pisces....so ruler of Midheaven...so can pertain to father)
sextile Mars in 5'49 Capricorn Retrograde in 7th

Andres Bello in 24'07 Leo in 3rd (her siblings)
conjunct Pluto in 22'54 Leo in 3rd (her siblings)
sextile Neptune in 23'25 Libra in 5th (her children)
sextile Sun in 21'59 Gemini in 12th (her father)
sextile Carandrews in 26'04 Gemini in 12th
semisextile Venus in 25'04 Cancer in 2nd (Venus is the ruler of her 5th....so children)

Carandrews in 26'04 Gemini in 12th
conjunct Sun in 21'59 Gemini in 12th (her father)
conjunct Ascendant in 00'10 Cancer
trine Neptune in 23'25 Libra in 5th (her children)
semisextile Venus in 25'04 Cancer in 12th (Venus is the ruler of her 5th....so me again)

It's amazing that both my mother and I have stationary direct Andrewsong! Obviously it has great meaning to us! It's no wonder that she didn't give me my father's last name nor wanted me to take my stepfather's last name. Things happen and don't happen for a reason.

Declinations:

Andrewsong contraparallel Ceres - '21
Andres Bello contraparallel Saturn - '46 (like me)

Carandrews parallel Ascendant - '01
(she also has them conjunct.....so Carandrews-Ascendant occultation
parallel Sun '13
(she also has them conjunct.....so Sun-Carandrews- occultation
parallel Mercury- '18
parallel Pluto - '17

My maternal grandfather's chart

Andrewsong in 4'06 Scorpio in 12th
conjunct Ascendant in 4'44 Scorpio
quincunx Andres Bello in 4'44 Aries in 5th (his children)
(WOW!!!!!!!)

Carandrews in 20'21 Leo in 10th (the father)
conjunct Ceres in 17'23 in 10th (the father)

Andres Bello parallel Saturn - '36 (Saturn-Andres Bello declination aspect like my mother and me)

Carandrews parallel contraparallel Chiron - '57

In my girlfriend's chart

Carandrews in 10'25 Aries in 1st
conjunct Sun in 9'14 Aries in 1st (animus)
trine Jupiter in 10'55 Sagittarius Stationary Retrograde in 9th (Jupiter is co-ruler of Pisces and so ruler of Descendant..so relates to partner.....also ruler of her Midheaven..so her reputation)
trine Uranus in 9'00 Sagittarius Retrograde in 9th

Andrewsong in 21'48 Aquarius in 12th
sextile Midheaven in 22'41 Sagittarius (she could be known as Mrs. Andrews...aso its trine IC....so family :-D)
quintile Uranus - '48

Andres Bello in 5'38 Gemini in 3rd
quintile Pluto in 7th - '58 (partner)

Raymond

posted February 03, 2008 05:36 AM              

well, let`s say my name was "Kerstin", but the name that this one is derived from is "Kristina" or "Christine". So I wondered if I can use the last ones, too?

EDIT:
Especially the name "Christine" is very interesting, since it is conjunct my Sun and Mercury in Sagittarius.

Also, for some reason I always identified a lot with that name. It had such a familiar ring to it.

However, I am lucky since my first as well as my last name are in the list.

Node,

what do you mean? You "work" with it?

posted February 03, 2008 11:11 AM            

Node,

what do you mean? You "work" with it?

I was being literal for a change...laughs. I know where my name asteroids are at all times, track them, progressed, transit, solar arcs and midpoints.

Did you guys check out praecipua's link of Dane Rudyar's Sabian interps?-->

http://mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.h tm

This is my first name interp->

This is the final stage of the fourteenth sequence. The symbol for it has a strong sense of finality. No possibility of half measures exist. Man is committed irrevocably to success or failure — at least as a conscious and self-reliant mind. The alternatives are clear-cut. One may describe it as MIND vs. MATTER, or as Man's will against the fate that gravitation so aptly symbolizes.

Many times I have wondered if I will pull out of the nose dive soon enough for my little engine to recover, though I have always likened it to a car headed for the jersey-wall...will I pull out of the turn fast enough? Or crash into the wall?

ps..Pullen says that I have a G-square others say NOT...I am with Pullen.

posted February 03, 2008 01:30 PM              

your first name is conjunct my SN by 1°.

Do you think I can use those other names, too, not only my "real" one?

I just checked the transits and realized that my transiting last name is conjunct my Moon.

I wonder if last names can also say something about ancestry or family karma?

The sabian symbol for my first name is:

PHASE 47 (TAURUS 17°): A SYMBOLICAL BATTLE BETWEEN "SWORDS" AND "TORCHES."

KEYNOTE: Refusing to depend upon the past, the seeker turns warrior, fighting anew the eternal "Great War. "

When Gautama, having sought in vain for the answers to his questions among the teachers of tradition, sat under the Bodhi Tree, he had to fight his own battle in his own way, even though it is an eternal fight. The spiritual light within the greater Soul must struggle against the ego-will that only knows how to use the powers of this material and intellectual world. There is no possibility of escape; it is the energy that arises out of the present moment — the inescapable NOW — that the daring individual has to use in the struggle.

This second stage symbol suggests that salvation is attained through the emergent individual's readiness to face all issues as if there were only two opposed sides. So teaches the Bhagavad-Gita. This is the dharma of this stage of human evolution: a stage of POLARIZATION OF VALUES.

And for my last name:
PHASE 333 (PISCES 3°): PETRIFIED TREE TRUNKS LIE BROKEN ON DESERT SAND.

KEYNOTE: The power to preserve records of their achievements which is inherent in fully matured cultures.

When a vast group of men succeed in building a culture with strong institutions which express themselves in significant symbols and works of art or literature, such an effort of many generations is rarely lost altogether. In one form or another, records of this culture endure or are mysteriously preserved, simply because they reveal the place and function of this particular culture in the long process of unfoldment of the potentialities inherent in archetypal MAN. It is such a concept that has been mythified and popularized in the religious idea of the resurrection of the dead on the Last Day. The symbol of petrified wood in the Arizona desert, however, tells us that the actual preservation of the records is never perfect or total. Only fragments remain, significant enough to reveal the essential archetypal form.

This third symbol of the sixty-seventh five-fold sequence brings the promise of social immortality — i.e. the preservation of the enduring (because archetypally meaningful) factors in whatever man attempts within his culture. A symbol of INDESTRUCTABILITY.

DD

posted February 04, 2008 01:45 AM            

The synergy with family members names is often freaky. If the derivative of your family name is say: from the old French, old English etc...would you think that has past life significance? If it is an exact name tie in I would say yes- use it.

Most people have researched the family name and genealogy on the web a bit. Astro peeps like me might even go to look at discovery dates etc. in an attempt to discern significance.

Brown later said that he looked down at his watch at the discovery time as he knew it would be significant to astrologers..

posted February 04, 2008 01:27 PM              

"he synergy with family members names is often freaky. If the derivative of your family name is say: from the old French, old English etc...would you think that has past life significance?"
Yes, I could imagine that. I also wonder, if the family name in your chart could say something about anchestry (sp?) or about what role you personally play in your family.
Well, there was a freaky coincidence. The family name of my mother probably has French roots.
And a few years ago I was to a museum in Paris and I saw a painting of some son or grandson or nephew of Napoleon, and he looked like the spitting image of my uncle. Like they were twins or something like that! REally freaky.

Well, there has been an illegitimite son in our family. Noone knows who the father was. But that son became a servant to an aristrocrat, who cared very much for him. So, who knows? Maybe he was actually the father or knew who he was, and since he couldn`t take the responsibility officially, he maybe took care that way.

" If it is an exact name tie in I would say yes- use it."
How about first names, where the real first name is included in a longer name?

EX: Someone is being called Andreas, there is no Andreas in the list, but Andreasdoppler and Andreashofer are. Could we use these, too?

Or let`s say, someone`s name is Hans - could we use Hansi, too?

In my case, my name "Kerstin" is really a form of "Ch(K)ristina".
But the name "Christine" makes very strong connections in my chart, too.
Also, if English people say my name, it is very similiar to Christine.

I remember, that, when I saw "the Phantom of the OPera" for the first time, I thought that GErry Butler was calling my name, because his pronounciation of "Christine" was so similiar to the pronounciation of my name. Well, maybe it`s only him. lol

"is team's 2005 discovery of Eris turned the world of planetary astronomy upside down the next year, when the International Astronomical Union (the IAU, the scientists who officially control names and categories of planets) defined the word "planet" for the first time.
Brown later said that he looked down at his watch at the discovery time as he knew it would be significant to astrologers.. "
That is very interesting. And thank God, not all astronomers hate us.

"... Your Sabian interps are so strong.. enduring is an apt word."
Yes, they sound strong, but I`m not really sure of their meaning.

HOwever, the Sabian for my family name reminded me of something my aunt, my brother and me did for my parent`s when they celebrated their 25th anniversary of their wedding.
We wrote a book, in which we wrote down all those little and bigger events we could remember from the 25 years before. Mostly anecdotes from our family-life.
So, you could say we "preserved" a part of our family history.
Also, it was me my grandmother (from Dad`s side) and my grandfather (from Mum`s side) told about their experiences druing the war and after that. Well, especially the things my grandma told me, weren`t really suitable for the ears of a naive 13 year old girl. But war never is, I think.
HOwever, my grandfather only told me, and only once, about his labour in the camps of the Russians, and after he told me he said he would never talk about it again, and he never did.

In both cases it was very weird to listen to them, because I didn`t just hear the words. IT was as if there were pictures, moving scenes, implanted in my brain, and I surely will never forget what they told me, and the feelings they transported by that.

So maybe that is my role in my family dynasty, "carrying" the knowledge about our family.

posted February 04, 2008 03:26 PM            

from wiki->842 Kerstin

Name
Name Kerstin
Designation 1916 AM
Discovery
Discoverer Max Wolf
Discovery date October 1, 1916
Discovery site Heidelberg
Orbital elements

posted February 05, 2008 05:22 AM              

thank you for the information on the discovery of MY asteroid. That is really cool.

"Crista= 1015
Christen= 11823
Christine= 628
Kerstin= 842"
I added Kristina, too, because it`s the name "Kerstin" officially and originally stems from.

Funny enough, one of those asteroids, which are variations of my name is my mother`s first name.
And also, the name of my middle brother, is a variation of my father`s middle name.
The funniest part of all?
My parents denied my grandparents their wish to have us children named after them, like it has been tradition in past centuries. My parents wanted to give us our own, original names, that THEY liked, not becuase of any kind of tradition.
And now it turns out they unknowingly named us after themselves. lol

I risked a glance at those asteroids in my chart, and Christa - my mum`s name- is exactly conjunct my Saturn.
Christen is exactly opposite my Venus and conjunct my Mum`s ASC.
Christine is conjunct my Sun and Mercury - seems, like this one is really MINE, no conjunctions to my Mum`s or Dad`s chart. BUT it is exactly square my Mum`s Moon.
And Kristina is conjunct my Dad`s Mars and also conjunct my Mum`s Saturn.

Looks like these names created some strong family-ties.

"epetitive combinations of numbers. My middle name, year of birth, and last. Are all variations ending in 7, ."
That is amazing!
I also like numerology, and I also have some connection to the number 7. My complete name is reduced to a 7, and I have been born exactly on 7:07 a.m. That is really my offical time of birth, I checked it because I didn`t believe that such a time can be real. lol
Oh and funny enough my ASC is on 7°01 Sagittarius - Not on 7°07 though. LOL

My Sun and Mercury are on 25° something, my Moon is on 17°07, my Venus is on 6°07 (which happens to be the 7th degree of the Sabian symbols).

Jip, I can relate to the number 7.

"I do think that an exact asteroid match, spelling everything is the true *now* for you. And not everyone has that."
Yes, I know I am lucky, and I also think this exact match is the "main" one.
Interestingly enough my Kristina is exactly opposite my Part of Reincarnation.

"Hans + Hansi both sound Germania as well, and related to each other. Hansi being the "endearment"."
Yes.

Well, what about names that have no exact hit, but are part of another name?
I mentioned Andreasdoppler - can I use it as an asteroid for Andreas, especially since there is no Andreas-asteroid?

"I was startled to see my MC degree [exact] on the ASC. Karma was conj Karma and Saturn was conj Moon."
WOW! That is freaky.
And it inspired me to look into the discovery chart of my name in relation to my natal chart.

Kerstin of the discovery chart is conjunct my IC and trine my ASC (btw discovery Kerstin falls onto the 7th degree of Aries ).
Discovery Sun is exactly opposite discovery Kerstin and therefore sextile my ASC and conjunct my MC (and pluto).
Discovery Uranus conjunct my Moon. Discovery Pluto opposite my Venus and conjunct my Christen.
Discovery ASC conjunct my Kristina, and discovery MC conjunct my Saturn and Christa.
Discovery Karma exactly conjunct my SN and also conjunct my DSC.
Discovery Mars opposite my Kerstin.

Hmm, seems like those discovery charts of one`s name hold some strong connections to one`s natal chart. Very interesting.