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GemGemGem
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posted February 03, 2008 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would anyone be able to give me any feedback on the synastry aspect of Mars square saturn? I keep reading that this aspect is a huge red alert and detrimental to a relationship.

In Linda's relationship signs book, it says the Saturn person could even fall very ill due to the stress of this aspect.

Does anyone have any experiences with this aspect? Can anyone shed some light?

Thank you!

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Azalaksh
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posted February 03, 2008 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I've had my Saturn in Libra squaring a partner's Mars in Cancer. We had a fine relationship and it wasn't Mars/Saturn that caused the breakup.

People are more than their astrological charts. Planetary placements are POTENTIAL, not the Mark Of Doom and Disaster. It's the EMOTIONAL MATURITY of people, not aspects between orbiting balls of gas and icy rock, that holds the relationship together, or breaks it up.

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GemGemGem
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posted February 03, 2008 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, you are right Azalaksh.

It's just difficult sometimes to keep that in mind when I read something that says something so negative and extreme about a synastry aspect I happen to share in.

Thank you for your response!

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posted February 04, 2008 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although I agree with Azalaksh and I haven't experienced this aspect with someone myself, I've seen it in action with one of my employers and another employee. I'll call them Jack and Jill.

Jack discovered an foundation and asked Jill to quit a good corporate job she had to join his organization. They knew nothing about astrology. He naturally has Mars square Saturn in his chart at the Aries Point. She has Mars opposite his Saturn, basically giving them a T-Square of Saturn square Mars square Mars. At first they worked very hard and very well together, but then 3 years into working there as his accountant and advisor, they began to argue like cats and dogs. You could see that he was constantly stepping on her feet which could be thought of as Saturn energy limiting her Mars energy.

It ended very badly when it didn't have to. She offered to resign because they both agreed that he couldn't afford to keep her on, but he made matters worse by acting as if she had done something wrong and he refused to write her a recommendation letter. It was completely irrational, and somewhere along the line he physically threatened her right in front of me. It was something that he said out of anger but it was completely inappropriate.

I ended up being the person to turn him into his board of directors for not writing her the letter she needed to find another job and I told them about the physical threat and his irrational anger. She got her letter on her last day and she left.

It's just that the characteristics of their conflict totally fits the explaination of Saturn square Mars.

I think what needs to be studied is what worked about that aspect. I think that while they were building the foundation and setting up the office and while he was the one in complete control, things worked out. He was the Saturn person and I think he made a mistake of delegating some of the power to her. He might have thought it was something he wanted but in the end, he needed to have an iron clad grip on his own creation.

You might want to figure out what it is about that aspect that works for you and your significant other. Some of the things that seem to work with that aspect is lots of hard work, like lifting weights kind of hard work, but I can't pretend to know what to tell you to make that aspect work. Maybe you should tell us since you are in a relationship with that aspect.

How do you feel that it works in your relationship?

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posted February 04, 2008 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dated someone whose saturn squared my mars. It was a very difficult aspect to deal with, and yes, I suffered some psychosomatic illnesses due to stress, even though I was the Mars person. He seemed to feel threatened by things I did, even when they were not directed at him. Sex was, um, not good after the first couple of months.

It didn't matter what I did, my actions bothered him because his Saturn couldn't deal with my Mars. If I was silent, it bothered him. If I talked, I talked too much or too loud, or too soft, or he couldn't understand me. If I didn't do anything, I should have done something, and if I did something, it was never right.

I will say to you, make sure you have other redeeming aspects to make it worth all the trouble. It would be helpful if your Mars and Saturn are in mutable signs, as these are more flexible and they can actually learn to deal with each other. Watch out if they're in fixed signs.

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posted February 04, 2008 12:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gosh i cannot tell you how difficult this aspect is. i had two relationships with this aspect. and it was very difficult.
i dated this guy he had mars cancer 22 degrees and i have libra 16 saturn. i know thats wide but i felt it. with the other guy he had saturn in leo 12 and mars in scorp 5. but i think it shows up in composite charts too and its difficult to deal with as well. i would still get in to a relationship with someone with this apsecpt...because we can't look at all the red alert aspects and be afraid, we have to take risks and work it out somehow. i am a die hard romantic :-)


are oppositions less stressful?

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posted February 04, 2008 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for all of your responses.

It seems the concensus is that this really is a difficult aspect to overcome. It is my Saturn (in Virgo) that is squaring his Mars (in Gemini) so at least they are mutable signs.

We do have some redeeming aspects, our birth information is below. (I'm still trying to learn how to paste a synastry chart on my posts)

Me:
May 27, 1979
11:30 am
Seoul, Korea

Him:
February 5, 1976
3:30 am
Saigon, Vietnam

Are there positive aspects that may balance this negative aspect out? Does anyone have any success stories associated with this aspect? I hope so...

Thanks again.

ErickaF, I think that the opposition is just as stressful as the square. That's what I read in Linda's book anyway.

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posted February 04, 2008 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know how to paste charts into the posts?

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posted February 04, 2008 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GGG ~

Detailed explanations on how to post images here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015151.html

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GemGemGem
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posted February 06, 2008 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Azalaksh!

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Love
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posted February 06, 2008 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious - would the effect of a quincunx,instead of the square, be felt in a similar way or would it be closer to an opposition?? Or entirely different?

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posted February 06, 2008 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see any Mars square Saturn

I see his Saturn binovile your Mars with 6 minutes of arc.
I see your Saturn binovile his Mars with 1'16 orb...a little wide, but it's wide for a square too

Binovile is 9th harmonic aspect. It's 80 degree angle.


however his Uranus oppose your Mars with 1'02 orb, and that can be rather unpredictable,unstable connection which can indicate lots of excitement but also impulsivity and sudden irritations


remember....the narrower the orb the aspect is,the stronger it is

the wider the orb the aspect is,the weaker it is

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posted February 06, 2008 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, thanks so much for looking at this more in-depth. I appreciate the correction.

So, we really don't have any Mars square Saturn aspect? Haha..I'm relieved!

Can you tell me if "his Uranus oppose my Mars with 1'02 orb" is considered a narrow or a wide orb?

Do you think this a hard aspect to overcome?

Thanks again!

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posted February 06, 2008 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use 2 degree orb for Uranus in synastry because it's an outerplanet. I believe that with generational,slow moving planets like Uranus, narrower orbs should be used. If it's part of an aspect configuration,then I'd stretch the orb out to 1/2 to 1 degree more.

Therefore,I'd say that 1'02 is medium.

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posted February 07, 2008 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have heard that the Saturn person has a very strong attraction to the mars person.
If this is the case, I think the Saturn person is cold in the expression. Its like
the Saturn person is STRONGLY attracted to the mars person for awhile, and then the mars person starts to annoy them. This is what people have told me. I think you should probably look at ALL the saturn connections between you. Saturn still holds you together even if you are making each other physically and mentally sick.

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posted February 25, 2008 12:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bf and me had this aspect. It was a tight square one degree orb both in fixed signs, he was Saturn, I was Mars. He picked on me a lot, telling me how I should be or how I shouldn't be. He was very authoritative. I'm very happy and bouncy a lot of the time and I could tell it irritated him when he was in a bad mood. I felt like a little kid and he was this huge almost parental figure over me. The energy coming off him was like a heavy weight I could feel pressing down on me. The last time it happened I blew up at him and that's how our relationship ended.

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I had an exact conjunction with yet another bf. His saturn was right on top of my Mars at 16 degrees Leo. I have one word to describe this relationship....SUFFOCATING. We fought everyday we were together. I couldn't make a move without him having to know every detail about it. It was the the most exhausting relationship I have ever been in and after we broke up I had to take a year off from dating.

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posted February 25, 2008 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi LeoCat,

Did that reward ever occur for you around January 25th. I remembered telling you not to give up before the miracle. Not that every problem in your life should be solved, but I'm just curious if something pleasant or relieving happened for you around your home, home life or your mother or something like that. Was there some kind of reward recently?

If you can, let us know. Thanks.

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posted February 25, 2008 12:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Valentine!!! No reward around Jan 25th....but interestingly around mid Feb I felt the sun shining on my door again, for no apparent reason, I just felt my mood lift. I feel like I was living under a black cloud the last several months.

The only thing I can think of is I had a major health crisis that got cleared up around Jan 25th.....that was towards the end of my healing period after my medical treatments.

Thanks for asking and remembering!! :-)

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posted February 25, 2008 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well that's just awesome. I'm so happy about that. I just remember that you were feeling so miserable about everything and I checked and saw that you would have a pronounced reward time at least beginning on January 25th. I would consider a health issue clearing up to be a reward. I hope I have the same reward coming up as I have some health issues I'm going to be tested for tomorrow and more follow through. But I see some kind of reward happening, I just didn't look for the exact date yet.

I'm so glad that your mood lifted and that things are looking up. Continue to take good care of yourself.

I'm going to sleep now, have a good day and night.

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Thanks Geo!!! God health issues are scarey aren't they? I was crying all the way home telling myself if I don't recover it was all my fault for not taking care of myself better.

So I guess you're right, it was a huuuuge REWARD for me. I hadn't thought about that....

And good luck to yourself as well. Let us know how that turns out!

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posted February 25, 2008 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had to work with someone very closely whose saturn squared my mars in a t-square which also involved the person's sun. I was ready to kill that person and they were always in my way. I ended up leaving. It is undoubtedly one of the worst experiences of my life.

Leocat is spot on, it works for the squ as well.

Seriously, run for your life!

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posted February 25, 2008 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad everything turned out great for you Leocat!


Geocosmic Valentine, I hope everything turns out in your favor as well


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posted February 25, 2008 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jenfullmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read Mars/Saturn as pure screaming rage. Honestly, it would give me the heebie-jeebies to be in such a relationship.

I have a friend who has Mars conjunct Saturn in her natal. My friend is not an angry person, and she grew up in a happy, FUNCTIONAL family. There is nothing in her early life that indicates that she would want to be with an abusive man, except for astrology.

Her husband of 20 years, who she will probably be leaving in a few months (he got severely injured in October and she is pretty well trapped into waiting on him hand and foot until he recovers), has Mars opposed to Saturn (and an entire stellium of planets). I can see the attraction in astrology to that, but... he can be a really nasty person. We all think he's bipolar. The world revolves around him, I am not kidding. He loves to put her down and snap at her for so much as breathing. [ubb=http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2007/11/28/aquarius-woman-in-sort-of-sexless-marriage-to-aries-man-astrology-based-advice/]Everything in the world is her fault.[/url] He'll make up any excuse to put her down. Naturally, his becoming a convalescent has NOT improved his mood any, and I think it is bad enough at this point to get her to leave rather than trying to suck it up. Her kid is 18 and he'll probably want out of the house as soon as possible after graduation.

Related post at ElsaElsa: http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2007/11/23/astrology-and-relationship-too-old-to-leap-redux-saturn-in-aspect-to-mars-in-synastry-happy-capricorn-etc/

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posted February 25, 2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jenfullmoon - screaming rage? Thats how I felt inside, on the outside, it was a cold war; we even refused to make eye contact.

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