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Vintry
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posted February 04, 2008 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vintry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon/Saturn aspects.

I have googled information about these aspects in natal charts. Now I would like to ask you (if you have this aspect or know someone with it)

What is the difference between conjunction and square between Moon and Saturn? Which one is worse?

I think that those with square are prone to depression and those with conjunction are just serious people but not that likely to be depressed. Is that right?

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Vintry
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posted February 04, 2008 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vintry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I am asking this question because I have Moon/Saturn square. I know someone with conjunction and I would like to get into his head. With your help of course :)

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posted February 04, 2008 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the Moon-Saturn square. Other than the depression and/or emotional suppression, there is incredible AMBITION attached to the square, conjunction, opposition and the sextile and trine.

There is a great chance that your parents separated at some point in your early home life whether by their relationship coming to an end or mother or father leaving the home. It can suggest that you were separated from your mother at some point, or your father.

Two major celebrities with the square:

Charlie Chaplin - his mother left his early childhood due to poverty and malnutrition. He and his brother were put into a work house when Charlie was 6 for several months while his mother was put into psychiatric care. She never fully recovered but she lived a very long time. His father left his home very early when he was still a todler. But the story of Charlie Chaplin's ambition is cannot be missed.

Stephen Spielberg - I don't know his whole life story, I only know that he lived with his Mom after his parents divorced and his father left the household. He's another one with extreme ambition and success.

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posted February 04, 2008 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may sound like a crazy idea, but why not take him out for a drink/dinner/as suits, and ask him how he feels about? You don't have to put it in astro-jargon terms, of course.

But I suspect, that as a Moon Square Saturn individual, this just isn't your kind of thing, so you'd rather read about it instead.

My dad and brother are both Moon Square Saturn people. Neither of them have ever suffered from depression. They are both stable and well-adjusted. They cope well with stress and emotional trauma. Me too. I have Moon Trine Saturn.

I don't know which is better or worse, we've never discussed it.

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posted February 04, 2008 10:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question... I don't think one is 'better' than the other though. To state what has been said many times, the rest of the chart needs to be taken into account... esp. to determine ppl's thresholds for stress and how effectively they cope.

My friend and I both have it in natal T-squares with our Suns. I tend to get depressed easily, but my friend is completely and utterly secure with himself, hah. He was adopted, but has a great relationship with his adoptive parents. If I got his birth time correct, he has nice 4th house placements (Venus and Merc).

Ambition, working hard, feeling the need to prove oneself, etc. is all true. My friend overworks like crazy though (6th house Mars and Saturn). I work too, but I can have a bad lazy streak (Taurus influence and Venus opp Jupiter... also have a bad sulk-in-private streak, meahh). In short, my friend is, as you say, just a very serious person who sublimates through hard work.

My other friend has the conjunction. She’s intelligent, strong, and confident with her opinions, but hard on herself when it comes to her emotions. In a sense, she seems afraid of just feeling. She claims to hate drama, which could be good or bad. Human relationships = some degree of drama, so her disdain for it usu. leads to self-ostracism. Is she prone to depression? Can’t say so, but I’m sure she gets very lonely at times.

I think it’s funny that you have the square. Is it typical of us Moon-Saturn ppl to be so calculated in terms of personal relations (doing preliminary research, hehe)?

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posted February 04, 2008 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon - Saturn conjunct in Aries here... in a stellium along with venus, n node (all within 4 deg)

my career is like a run over hedgehog! lol

In fact l think my career is about relationships haha


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Vintry
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posted February 04, 2008 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vintry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geocosmic Valentine,thank you!

Yes, I am ambitious :) I can trample over people :( But I realise this and try to be good :) As for my parents, they're still together although my mother tells me she made a mistake marrying my father. This is how I see my square apart from making me depressed at times - my mum could pay attention to my feelings and emotions a bit more (being Aqua Moon doesn't meen I don't have them).

blue moon, thank you!

well, it's not a crazy idea with other people. But try taking out for a drink a 12th house Cancer Moon/Saturn conjunction and then ask them about their emotions (their fave topic) :) And then, it takes a looong time to really get to know them. You are lucky, you have a trine, like it!

teaologist, thank you!

I asked which one is better because, to be honest I think these aspects do damage, they're awful and there's just nothing positive I can see about them. That's good you described your friends. Especially your friend with conjunction. It made me realise that "lonely" is another word along with "serious" that describes Moon/Saturn conjunction people. Sad though :(

Lara, thanks for comment!

Conjunction in Aries is probably the best one of all... or the best of worst )) good for you! I'm just thinking that this guy with his conjunction in Cancer and in 12th house must be really suffering..

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posted February 04, 2008 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon in Pisces in 6th square retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th with 1'58 orb

It's in synchronicity with hardships,limitations,restrictions,discipline involving involving my mother.....it also has to do with my history of feeling insecure related to my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,my special education history,and abused by my mother and stepfather.

I am very serious person and takes things very seriously...even too seriously....I tend to be hypersensitive to criticism and have a fear of being evaluated. I am prone to things like test anxiety. I also have feelings of being inadequate both intellectually and physically. I am very shy.

I was in the US Navy,and there was a lot of structure,discipline there. I also had depression when I was there. I have a service-connected disability connected to depression.

I feel that aspect is in synchronicity with my diagnosed Dysthymic Disorder,Generalized Anxiety Disorder,and Avoidant Personality Disorder which are all connected to feelings of insecurity.


Some astrologers say that Moon rules the brain,and so with my Moon square Saturn, I have brain dysfunction as in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD.


It also in synchronicity with my mother having those problems too...my mother told me that she has varying symptoms of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD and she also has a history of feeling very insecure....she has a history of Depression and Anxiety disorders.

My mother has overall bad health both physically and mentally.

I have feelings of obligation towards my mother,and I help her with money when she asks me for it which is very frequent.


another thing...I dealt with racism.....growing up multiethnic Black,White,Hispanic,and Native American.


"There is a great chance that your parents separated at some point in your early home life whether by their relationship coming to an end or mother or father leaving the home. It can suggest that you were separated from your mother at some point, or your father."

my parents were never married. They had 13 years age difference with my father being the senior(Mom was 17 when she had me,and my father was almost 31 years old). I never knew my father at all...he left when I was a 1 1/2 years old. He disappeared without a trace. I was in a fosterhome when I was 2 years old because my mother got into some trouble. My mom was in jail for 6 months when I was in 4th grade. My stepfather was the only father that I remember having,and he and my mother split when I was 18. The 25 year age difference with him being senior was a big factor.


I do believe that I have a very karmic life including a very karmic connection with my mother as well as other women. I definitely had a lot of disappointment with the opposite sex.

My girlfriend has Moon conjunct Saturn in Scorpio in 7th/8th which my Sun conjuncts and my Moon trines,and I found her to be my soulpartner. She has a lot of good Saturn traits. She doesn't have a depressive disorder like me.

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posted February 04, 2008 12:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon opposite Saturn. I know you asked about the square and conjunction, but I can tell you with personal conviction that I have been depressed heavily. I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression a couple years ago. I took anti-depressants for a year, but weaned myself off of them so I would not have to rely on them forever. I can't speak for everyone with the Moon/Saturn opposition, but it is true for me. Also, ambition is high.

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posted February 04, 2008 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fish oil/cod liver oil can be good for depression,anxiety because the omega 3 fatty acids DHA is important for overall brain functioning. I used cod liver oil/fish oil for my Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHD symptoms. I read that Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies are common in people with those conditions. emotional problems,hypersensitivity are recognized symptoms of Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies.

Cod liver oil/fish oil makes me less emotional,sensitive and makes my brain function better.


I stay away from psychiatric drugs because of the side effects....as an ultrasensitive person,I respond to medications very strongly and got side effects from them like temporary impotence from SSRI's.


here is stuff about Omega 3 fatty acids and depression http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070329092058.htm

Omega 3 fatty acids and postpartum depression http://depression.about.com/cs/babyblue/a/fishpostpartum.htm

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posted February 04, 2008 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My other friend has the conjunction. She’s intelligent, strong, and confident with her opinions, but hard on herself when it comes to her emotions. In a sense, she seems afraid of just feeling. She claims to hate drama, which could be good or bad. Human relationships = some degree of drama, so her disdain for it usu. leads to self-ostracism. Is she prone to depression? Can’t say so, but I’m sure she gets very lonely at times.

That sounds a lot like me. I also have Moon-Saturn conjunction (in Sagittarius). I suffer from depression but I don't think moon-saturn conjunction is the reason at all. I think the conjunction has made me (throughout my whole life) more mature when it comes to handling and coping with my emotions, sometimes I block and hold them down. There is a coldness to the way I express emotion, though deep down I am not cold.

I have a couple friends with a moon-saturn conjunction (they have theirs in Scorpio) and they too are emotionally mature (one suffers from depression & bipolar, the other is healthy).

I think Moon-Saturn conjunctions just make one more set in their ways as far as their emotions go. They may be wishy washy depending on other aspects but they've got a strangle hold on them, no doubt.

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posted February 04, 2008 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the square is worse bc you're aware of the difficulties; you hurt inside and you "know" smt is not right. but it's better for turning that into ambition and overcoming those difficulties.

on the other hand, the conj is emotionally reserved and controlled WITHOUT knowing it. so no hurt involved. but it's "worse" bc it doesn't allow awareness; you can't "change" anything bc you never know smt is "wrong". you can only see the effect you have on other ppl and "make an effort" for them without really knowing you're hurting too.

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posted February 04, 2008 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Cristiname,

The very nature of an astrological OPPOSITION is about "AWARENESS" so I respectfully disagree that a person isn't aware of the difficulties suggested by an opposition or even a conjunction or quindecile.

My opinion is that you can't know what is better or worse because everyone experiences aspects differently because everyone's life is different.

Example, the prominent astrologer Basil Fearrington's mother was born on the same day as Bill Gates. She's got the very same measurements, aspects and midpoint pictures in her chart that suggests the accumulation of great wealth, yet she used those resourceful energies differently, no wealth, no technology. Simply yet powerfully she remained a wonderful housewife and mother.

The same for people who are born at the same time in the same area as criminals, murderers, etc. and all those people don't become murderes, etc. Everyone responds to the energy pressures differently.

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posted February 04, 2008 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon sextile saturn whereas my friend has moon square saturn. We're both very mature and come from stressful families. The difference is I can let go of pain after a short period of time whereas he dwells on it several years after a painful experience occurred; his wounds are permanent,

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posted February 04, 2008 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I agree with Geocosmic

I was born on the same exact day as Winona Ryder.

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posted February 04, 2008 05:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon conjunct saturn but out of sign and very wide degree, but when I had my chart done it was pretty much accurate, I can be depressive but I usually pick myself up and get on with it, my relationship with my mother hasn't always been good, she used to accuse me of pretending to cry as a child, when in fact I was really upset, but she truly did believe this. And though my parents are together she has often said what a mistake marriage and children was for her. I find emotionally displays in public very difficult and am embrassed if I have them, this is mainly I think because my mother dissapproved of them and finds other peoples displays distasteful. Somthing very emotional is going on in my life at the moment, yet I haven't cried about it once, where my parents have both, my mother upset a lot about this. Its like I can't let go for fear of never regaining control of my emotions. My saturn is pretty strong anyway with a sqare to Neptune and a sextile to uranus and mercury ( my main conjunction), so perhaps that is why I feel the aspect a lot.

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posted February 04, 2008 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vintry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually agree with everything Cristiname said.

This really is about awareness.. or lack of it, maybe this is in a way the reason why conjunction is generally considered a neutral aspect.

With Moon/Saturn square I can be in a bad mood that's hard to fight, hard to escape, can escalate to depresion. And I am soo aware of it. I consiously do something to avoid it. A 'square' person will say: "Why do I feel like this? There must be something wrong with me"; 'conjunction' person will say: "I feel the way I feel simply because I am a serious, mature person". Isn't that a lack of awareness?

Alternatively, if we try to analyse Moon/Mars conjunction (I have one)and square. Square person: "Why do problems always find me? There must be something wrong with me"; 'conjunction' person: "I act the way I do simply because I am impulsive"

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posted February 04, 2008 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vintry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, this other question I wanted to ask.

Conjunction people, from what I know you block your feelings/emotions, detach yourselves from drama and pain.

How do you do it? How is it possible? How do you get bad thoughts out of your head? I don't understand :( please explain

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posted February 04, 2008 07:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vintry,

the conjunction is integrated energies, therefore it would be natural for a person w/ moon-saturn to think that their cold feelings are natural- just think that it's a cognate for cappy moon.

the square however, is tension all the time, but it's not a seesaw like the opposition. I think the square would be b/w conjunction and opposition- sometimes the energies are integrated, sometimes they're a seesaw, that's y they are soooooo difficult to deal w/.

i have the square....and it's not a lot of fun, but u do get a lot of ambition. I try to make the tension energy convert to conjunction energy/cappy moon energy, so i could deal w/ it better, as opposed to a seesaw, which will drive me bonkers. i get depressed if i don't know what i want to do...the square becomes the opposition- go w/ feelings or go w/ discipline. but when i know what i want to do.....i put my emotions and discipline together as one- that's where i get the ambition. vesta conjunct saturn makes life easier, but then again, i heard that this is a murderer's aspect.

moon in leo, saturn in scorpio

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