posted February 26, 2008 03:11 PM              

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I'm a 12th house Moon and Venus and a repeated theme in my life has been unintentionally offending others with my need for solitude, introspection, and the desire to keep a low profile and be an observer. I have been the scapegoat in several instances and seem to arouse the suspicions in others even though I have no malicious motivations or intentions towards others. I don't make friends easily, and seem to make enemies very quickly. I wonder if these placements have anything to do with it.

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posted February 26, 2008 03:54 PM              

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Hi Venus, hi everybody

Not really drawn... in it already

It is not unusual for Geminis to be emphatic, for me anyway, and we feel alot, don't believe that "Geminis don't care about anything" stuff, my Gemini friends also are like that; we just don't care about the rules and regulations, we want to be free to feel
And I have Moon in Taurus

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posted February 26, 2008 03:57 PM              

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have to agree with T-Gem (welcome!), the Gemini's in my family (and we have quite a few!) are all extremely intuitive

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Moon-Capricorn
Asc-Libra
Mercury-Scorpio
Venus-Scorpio
Mars-Virgo
Jupiter-Virgo
Saturn-Aries(r)
Uranus-Libra
Neptune-Scorpio

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posted February 26, 2008 06:13 PM              

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Moon in Taurus Even better if at the end of Taurus. Would give me a lovely Grand Trine. lol

Cool name T-Gem. Unless you have a T-Square lol

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posted February 26, 2008 06:59 PM            

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Hello and Welcome to LL T-Gemini

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posted February 26, 2008 07:06 PM              

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lol. I never got the the big welcome when I was a Newbie.LL She must be special

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posted February 27, 2008 12:39 AM              

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chotG, my daughter is 36 years old, & she believes me about certain things---like when she would give birth to my grandson...you could say it was the power of suggestion, but I had a dream about it.

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posted February 27, 2008 10:31 AM            

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I'm sorta freaked out by my 12th -

I have Mars (Pisces) and Venus (Aquarius) in the 12th...

Astrologers have always been weirded out by it, and given me cryptic "warnings" and premonitions about overcoming these placements... I'm a bit of a novice with astrology, so I really don't know what they are referring to...

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Aquarius SUN
Gemini MOON
Aries ASC

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posted February 27, 2008 10:47 AM            

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I don't think too much has been said about the psychic element of the 12th house aspect.
I wonder if Sun in my 12th House has contributed to my heightened awareness of the "Unseen" world...which, for me, is occasionally "seen". As I've mentioned, it is difficult for me not to "read" people who come into my environment...I can NEVER take anything at face value...It drives most people I know CrAzY!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I can relate (12th house sun, aqua)... I'm extremely perceptive about people, events, etc. and I tend to analyze people and personalities far beyond the normal "impression" I get.

My friends/family also get annoyed initially at my skepticism, but eventually, when I'm proven right, they will say "wow - how did you see that about so&so?".

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posted February 28, 2008 07:14 PM              

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Thank you Venus, lalalinda, everybody...
T is from Taurus, I have a stellium there too.

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posted February 28, 2008 07:20 PM              

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Bluegreyeyes

I have Mars in Pisces and Moon in Gemini as well and the Sun in the 12th in Capricorn AQUA ASC.

Can I suggest it's your Moon Gem which is trying to analyse and rationalize things. You probably talk for England as well. lol

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posted February 28, 2008 07:24 PM              

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T-Gem.

Phew! What degree of Taurus is the stellium ? Just want to know if I am safe. lol

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posted February 28, 2008 07:45 PM              

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They all belong in jail.

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posted February 28, 2008 07:45 PM              

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Handcuffs forever.

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posted February 28, 2008 08:02 PM              

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Hmmm... I wonder where that curiosity is coming from...Mercury?...

This is my chart: http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh302/iii1234/?action=view¤t=map.gif

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posted February 29, 2008 01:30 AM              

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I have Pluto in H12, which...bites. Yes, I understand, in the long term 12th house energies can be affiliated with many special gifts, but...come on. I had the typical pile of Pluto in H12 ugliness in childhood (abuse, trauma, etc.). No matter how much I eventually gain from my Pluto placement, there's no glossing over the fact that the karmic lessons required to access those talents were extremely painful to learn.

So, 12th house to me is a reflection of painful events and circumstances in early life, which is why it's known to karmic astrologers as the house of karmic debt. I also think of it as the house of "self-undoing" in the sense that it's where our greatest potential weakness lies. But for that same reason, I feel comfortable calling it the house of "sunrise," because sometimes, it is in our own self-undoing that we uncover our most significant psychological and spiritual experiences.

Everything else I think about the 12th has been pretty much covered so far.

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posted February 29, 2008 03:54 AM            

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(((wild sheep))) Another Pluto in the 12th here. Like you, it's also my chart ruler.

I wonder if we look at karmic debt the same way. The way I see it, the soul's evolution isn't about punishment. The pain experienced this life isn't some petty payback for wrongs committed in previous lives. It's all about learning, and some souls are at a point in their evolution when they're ready for 12th house Pluto lessons.

"I feel comfortable calling it the house of "sunrise," because sometimes, it is in our own self-undoing that we uncover our most significant psychological and spiritual experiences."

That's beautifully phrased and makes so much sense to me. I wonder if it's the 12th house Pluto talking? Strip everything away and see how much power, resiliency, and creative force still remains and can be used to rebuild. See how what you build isn't nearly as important as from where in you you're building from, and Pluto in the 12th will make you identify that. Pluto in 12th w/ Scorpio Rising is very appropriate considering Scorpio's style.

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posted February 29, 2008 07:10 PM              

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What if your Saturn in the 12th House is in someone else's 12th house, same planet, Virgo. what impact would it have on the other person? Does that signify a "Karmic" relatonship?

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posted February 29, 2008 07:31 PM              

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Like you, it's also my chart ruler.

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Well, my chart ruler is actually Saturn. Saturn is 22 degrees above my ascendant. Which makes my chart very challenging and frustrating at times.

Yes, I think we see karma in a similar light; I don't think of it as a system of reward/punishment, more like a system through which we either learn less or more as our souls evolve.

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posted March 10, 2008 01:48 PM              

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posted March 10, 2008 09:52 PM              

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According to astrology weekly...
"Twelfth House Saturn suggests that your career or area of responsibility in the world relates in some way to work in seclusion, or for the care or education of others - perhaps in social work, hospitals, prisons, universities, religion or the arts. Your nature is acquisitive, reserved and inclined to solitude, with a desire to work unpretentiously, unobserved, and live peacefully or alone. With this placing of Saturn you may experience negative inner pressures related to subconscious insecurity, secret sorrows, fear, loneliness and disappointment. You may at some stage suffer false accusations by secret enemies."
I'm always interested in 12th house placements. Pisces rules my twelfth house, and I always tend to be suspicious of them right away, moreso than any other sign..

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posted March 10, 2008 10:01 PM              

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That is EXACTLY how I am & prefer to be...
What is interesting is my Grandson is a triple Piscean ---including Pisces Asc...my daughter is a Leo with Pisces Asc
Yeah...I prefer to do my stuff alone, & in private---away from suggestions & prying eyes...the desire for seclusion seems to be getting more intense as I grow older.
What I do is a combination of art & religion, & I do it publicly!

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posted March 10, 2008 10:28 PM              

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I have Neptune in the 12th house, and I am quite intuitive. I get premonitions and other psychic things happening in my dreams. Sometimes I don't like to see reality and I gloss it over, so that could be my Neptune placement.

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posted March 13, 2008 11:59 AM              

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I with you, Gemini...reality SUCKS sometimes!

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posted March 13, 2008 07:45 PM              

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a really good friend of mine has her sun, moon, mercury, venus, mean/true node, part of fortune, and pallas in teh 12 house. Her sun, moon, asc, venus, mean/true node, part of fortune and pallas in pisces!!!
i asked her about the "typical" characteristics of a pisces/12 house person.. for the most part, she jsut shrugged, LOL

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