posted February 23, 2008 10:26 PM            

I have Eris sextile Midheaven with 1'01 orb,quincunx Ascendant with 1'12 orb,biquintile Mercury with 5 minutes of arc

My Eris Nodes are prominent with my Sun conjunct South Eris Node with 9 minutes of arc and oppose North Eris Node with 10 minutes of arc.

The following are just my views,and so I am not stating anything as fact. Therefore I write the disclaimer.

I believe that Eris has to do with civil rights,equal rights and standing up for self and for the things they believe in. I also believe that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up. as well as challenging the status quo. . This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some times, changes need to be made. Take for instance, the lack of civil rights. Civil rights leaders stirred stuff up. People who wanted things the way they were saw them as a great threat and believed that they were troublemakers and should be dealt with. Rosa Parks was arrested for not giving her seat up to a white man on a bus. That sparked civil rights movement. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. went to jail many times for breaking unfair Jim Crow laws that limited the rights of Blacks. He was even accused by some of being a communist.

I think keywords for Eris can be stirring stuff up,equal,civil rights matters,controversy,terrorism,ideologies,advocacy,
standing up for oneself/others, divergence,diversity matters(like tolerance/intolerance of diversity)agreeing to disagree

I suspected equal rights before Eris was even named. When it was nicknamed, Xena, I first got an impression that it could relate to equal rights issues. After all, Xena is the television character that is embraced by many in the gay community. The character has even been viewed as having a lesbian relationship with her sidekick, Gabrielle. In the show, Xena stands up for self and others,and she even stood up to the Gods which many would think to be crazy and arrogant. I read an astrologer who thought Xena was the gay planet which I don't agree with,but not so farfetched as I do feel that this body has to do with equal rights issues which gay people do have with the banning of gay marriage throughout every state except for Massachusetts.

Ceres' equal status with Pluto in Astronomy because of Eris also got me thinking about equal rights issues.

I believe that Eris can stir stuff up for good reasons like to point out things that are wrong as well as equal rights issues. However, those things can also be seen as wrong. After all, Eris can be about arguments that stem from thinking one's view is right and the other's view is wrong. This can be seen as prejudice which can end up as bigotry and racism. This is why fights occur. A lot of wars have been based on differing political and religious views. I even think the different views of political parties like the Democrats and Republicans and the war that they often have with each other fits with Eris too. This definitely fits with organized religions too. So many people think that their religion is right and other's religion is wrong. They believe that they are more moral than others,and it infringes on the rights of others. This has happened during the slavery days in USA as well as the days of Jim Crow Laws that Martin Luther King Jr fought to end,and even now with gays who are barred from marrying each other. Interracial marriages were banned in USA until the Supreme Court Loving ruling in 1967. This could eventually open the door to gay marriage being legal. What it all comes down to is that nobody will agree on everything. We all have minds of our own and different from each other in some ways. Diversity is a fact of life,and so compromise seems like a solution. We can even agree to disagree.

I am a strong believer in civil rights,,equal rights....I
do stand up for myself and for the things that I believe in.....like
tolerance,acceptance,understanding of
multiculturalism,multiethnicism,interracial
relationships/dating/marriages,and all things of races,ethnic groups,gay rights including gay marriage
as well as people with learning disabilities,ADHD,autistic spectrum
disorder, psychiatric disorders,and neurological disorders. I have
stirred up stuff,angered people because I challenge the status quo
and point out the injustice,intolerance of societies in regards to
those things that I have just mentioned...especially when many people
including me experience that stuff.

I am part Black on my father's side and grew up believing in my fellow
Pisces Moon Martin Luther King Jr's dream. My Pisces Moon father also
believed in his dream.
I am minority in so many way(Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,AD/HD,multiethnic
background,born from an interracial relationship,highly sensitive male
that doesn't fit the tradional male stereotype,Anxiety and Depression
Disorders) and spent my entire life struggling,fighting for equal,fair
treatment for myself and others. At times, I come off the wrong way
to others...especially by people who haven't gone through the things
that me and certain other people have gone through and so cannot
relate. I am very intense and passionate person who can be very
fierce in defending myself and others. I have a history of talking
back to my parents and getting hit for that...all because I speak out
against unfairness. My parents accused me of being disrespectful to
them. I couldn't respect my parents because they disrespected me by
their mistreatment and physical/emotional abuse. I do believe in
respecting people as a human being. But I won't bow down to anybody
who tells me to shut up and orders me around,and hits me like I am a
slave. Nobody should. That's why I admire people like Dr. Martin
Luther King Jr, Frederick Douglass,Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela, Susan B
Anthony....heck even my fellow Dyslexic Tom Cruise for the abuses that
psychiatry has done to people even though I don't believe in
Scientology. After all, just because a person doesn't fit with
society's norms doesn't necessarily mean that they need medication.

there is a problem in our society with people thinking that they are right and others are wrong which often turns into argument,conflict,and fights. Even Michael Brown talked about Eris in that way. I think that he has a good grasp about Eris.

I often think that maybe Eris has to do with agreeing to disagree as in conflict resolution.

posted February 23, 2008 10:47 PM            

Zane Stein's keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race intent.

Roy MacKinnon's keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority : with great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose following a path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding adversity - alternatively refusing the call to transform with mediocrity and underachievement as consequences: issues around power abuse of minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks, multinational countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash of ideologies: conflict between desires of personality and pursuit of the inner call: persecution of the spiritually aware person who stands alone courageously acting according to conscience: an outstanding individual ahead of the times.

Francisco Schiavinotto:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded; Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological Incompatibility; Underground Instability
http://zanestein.com/keywords.html#Eris

Philip Sedgwick's keywords:
Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Mundane: promises and vows (both kept and broken), elections and election fraud, intervention by higher powers (troubleshooters, authorities, deity or God), using chaos and disruption as a method of reorganization - i.e., dumping a closet onto the floor, then reorganizing, things that overturn, the scales of justice, battles, disputes, famine, fightings, lawlessness (attributed to her moon, Dysnomia), lies, manslayings, murders, oath, oblivion, quarrels - and the last word therein, sorrows and toil, contention, rivalry, loved the spilling of blood on the battlefield, the fifth day of the month, gluttony, gloating, the nurse of war

posted February 23, 2008 10:58 PM            

I was born with Eris=ASC/MC and because I'm too close to it I haven't figured out how to interpret it. I am also African American or Black, I use both terms. I also have Native American mixtures in me from both sides of my family, some French and Scottish blood that I have only recently begun to figure into myself because my grandfather looked Caucasian with a bright red afro. I recently read that the gene for red hair was traced directly to Scotland, not Ireland but Scotland.

So, I was wondering if you might take a crack at interpreting my Eris=ASC/MC or really, anyone's Eric=ASC/MC. Only if you have the time, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 23, 2008 11:20 PM            

I always learn about astrology when I read your posts.

I learn about you too,
but its usually the same four or five things,
repeated over and over again.

I was thinking, you could save yourself and everyone else a lot of time by just putting it in your signature that you are Dyslexic, etc. Then you could be absolutely sure that nobody would miss it or forget it for a second. And you could list every single aspect in your own chart, no matter how obscure or insignificant it is to 99.9% of your readers; who dont even care about that stuff in their own charts; and who arent especially intrigued by, or impressed by, the acute attention you give to the most remote and arbitrary corners of astrological research (Eris Nodes?, fer Chrissake?). I'm kidding, sort of.

I've got Eris Quincunx my Sun by less than 2 minutes! As you can see, I dont mind speaking uncomfortable things, but there are other, more traditional signs of that in my chart (Mars/Merc in Sag, for intstance). Many of the keywords you ascribe to Eris reflect a fairly consistent dimension of my identity, and my experience of the world. I argue for diversity and equality when I promote the cause of Determinism. More than anything, Determinism levels the playing field, refusing intrinsic credit or blame to individuals for any reason whatsoever. In addition to this, I am a fierce debater and defender of a variety of unpopular ideas and causes. For instance, I've argued that procreation is immoral, and only adoption is morally justifiable, from a spiritual perspective. I definitely have difficulty agreeing to disagree, partly because I identify so strongly with my ideas, and am convinced of their truth and moral efficacy. I guess thats all I have to say about this.

Hope I didnt offend you too much with what I said about your posting style, Glaucus. I admire a lot about you, and I think you have unique and considerable gifts. I dont mind being the bringer of self-awareness for you, even if it makes me look like a jerk. I just think you would be a lot more effective if you purged your posts of at least some of the obsessive, and repetitious, self-disclosure, and trained your focus on some of the more essential points of astrological interpretation, instead of gambolling so far afield. This is just my opinion, and, having expressed it, I wont be repeating it. I hope I have not greatly offended you, and that you find something of value in what I've said. I really do enjoy your contributions here. I just get a little irked sometimes at seeing the same personal information repeated ad nauseum, along with all the arbitrary tidbits of astrological trivia that, in my view, only serve to confuse and confound the already complex art of chart interpretation.

Be well,
HSC

posted February 23, 2008 11:40 PM            

Hey......I was just saying how Eris works in my chart. I wrote more than about being Dyslexic,but I wrote about multiethnic...the main thing that I was talking about being divergent,minority,and believing in tolerance of diversity. I was using examples too that's why I mentioned civil rights leaders.

different strokes for different folks

to each,his or her own

just like we have many different religions on our planet.

you have your way of doing things,and I have mine

I felt that the stuff about me fit right in with Eris,and that's why I wrote about it just like when there is an astrological topic and I can relate to it ,I write about it then

It's not like there is any rules about it

as for planetary nodes, they are based on the orbital planes just like the lunar nodes are....astronomers record them....Perihelion/Aphelion,/Perigree/Apogee are also based on orbits of object in relation to another object. I am interested in Astronomy of Astrology like Philip Sedgwick does.

I don't even put focus on signs and houses any more. I focus more on planetary geometry and the astronomical points like I mentioned. I even prefer Cosomobiology over regular astrology when it comes to medical astrology. I'd rather focus on hard aspects,midpoints than look at planets in signs,houses which differ in other astrological systems.

"only serve to confuse and confound the already complex art of chart interpretation."

That's relative. They definitely don't confuse me nor confound other astrologers who use them. Jeffrey Wolf Green used planetary nodes in Evolutionary Astrology. Theodor Landscheidt,Zipporah Dobyns used to use planetary nodes. Philip Sedgwick,Roy Mackinnon use planetary nodes. There are cosmobiologists like Pamela Rowe who use planetary nodes. Michael Erhelewine uses planetary nodes too. Heliocentric Astrologers regularly use planetary nodes.

Another thing.....I am not bothered if somebody posts the way I do.

They are not hurting others or putting people down. They are not saying that they are right and others wrong. They are not calling people names,using racial slurs. Or being condescending,patronizing.

Those are things in posts that would bother me. I definitely have done any of those things.

I guess I am just very tolerant.

posted February 24, 2008 12:09 AM            

quote:

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I don't even put focus on signs and houses any more. I focus more on planetary geometry and the astronomical points like I mentioned. I even prefer Cosomobiology over regular astrology when it comes to medical astrology. I'd rather focus on hard aspects,midpoints than look at planets in signs,houses which differ in other astrological systems.

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If you are getting results,
then maybe you are onto something.
Somebody's gotta explore that stuff, I guess,
and I know the Edgar Cayce readings placed
considerable emphasis on the aspects,
as opposed to the sign and house placements.
So, okay, to each his own. I was perhaps hasty there.

Take care,
hsc

posted February 24, 2008 12:11 AM            

I am not taking advantage of jack. I just write because I feel that it's relevant to the topic.

Any ways......I think that I will stop responding to certain threads when people ask about how stuff works in their chart and just focus on threads that involve people needing help on something.

I am not going to get into it with you.

posted February 24, 2008 12:34 AM            

"So, I was wondering if you might take a crack at interpreting my Eris=ASC/MC or really, anyone's Eric=ASC/MC. Only if you have the time, I would appreciate it."

Geocosmic,

What you said could fit with that configuration. Can you relate strongly to the keywords of Eris that were listed? How about the myths of Eris?

I actually like Roy MacKinnon's keywords the best because they all seem very connected.

Cosmobiologists and Magi Astrologers use declinations including declination midpoints. I have Eris contraparallel Asc/MC with 6 minutes of arc. I use no more than 10 minutes of arc with declination midpoints. Some use wider orbs.

posted February 24, 2008 12:42 AM            

Uranus is about the unconventional,innovative,independence,liberation, and change.......activists are usually about seeking change

Eris seems to be about stirring stuff up, controversy,terrorism,bigotry,diversity( many people argue and fight with each other because their views,beliefs,perceptions,religions,ethnic groups,ideologies are divergent from each other),advocacy.....a lot of people who are divergent from the norm need advocates and even become advocates themselves.

Another thing too is.......

according to Jonathan Dunn's ephemeral positions page:

Jupiter Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 14'43 Aries/Libra
Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 14'47 Libra/Aries
Uranus Nodes in 14'03 Gemini/Sagittarius

Perihelion: The point nearest the sun in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.

Aphelion: (opposite of perihelion) the point furthest from the sun in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body

the Perihelion of Eris and Aphelion Jupiter are conjunct within only a minutes, and North Uranus node trines that within 1 degree.
of course the Aphelion of Eris and Perihelion of Jupiter are conjunct within a few minutes,and South Uranus node trines that within 1 degree

the orbits of Eris,Jupiter,and Uranus are very connected.

It's possible that some of the things that were assigned to Jupiter and Uranus are actually Eris things or share rulership. This is something that I strongly suspected after researching Eris. The Eris keywords of Zane Stein and Roy MacKinnon seem to fit that.

Astrologers mainly worked with planets up to Saturn until Uranus was discovered, and that changed the view of Astrology that Astrology became a minority practice with Astrology and Astronomy significantly diverging from each other. In Astrology,there is a lot of diverging that goes on. Many Astrologers disagree about what things to use in Astrology including things like orbs are hotly debated,house systems,geocentric or heliocentric,sidereal-tropical,and even whether to use minor planets. With the discovery of Eris, astronomers diverged from each other with them in discord among each other about the definition of a planet. This is why I don't believe that Uranus solely rules Astrology but shares rulership with Eris.

What I believe are positive things about Eris:

1. standing up for one's self/others
2. fighting for and getting civil rights,equal rights
3. advocacy
4. tolerating,accepting,and embracing diversity
5. agreeing to disagree to avoid fights and conflict
7. respecting other's views,beliefs
8. belief in and practice of equality
9. accepting and tolerating minorities
10. positive race relations

posted February 24, 2008 02:20 AM            

quote:

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I am not going to get into it with you.

that's all I am going to say.

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I appreciate that.
I dont want to get into it either.
I said what I had to say.
What you do with it is your business.

quote:

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I guess I am just very tolerant.

I am not into debating. I find debates to be very stressful. So I prefer to avoid debates. That's why I agree to disagree.

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We can thank heaven that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. didnt share your distaste for debate, Glaucus, or, if he did, he was willing to overcome it for the sake of his principles. Nor was he willing to "tolerate" or simply "agree to disagree" with the racist majority. Instead, convinced that he was right, and others were wrong, he fought like a pitbull for his beliefs, not allowing a single racist comment to go unchallenged. He refused to leave "well enough" alone, demanding that the moral dilemmas of the day, and of all time, be consitently resurrected and subject to the systematic scrutiny of reason and intelligent debate. God bless him and the controversy he excited. What was up with his Eris, I wonder?

posted February 24, 2008 02:37 AM            

The thing is that I think mainly in pictures(I think in pictures,visualize in my minds eye nonstop) and so my thinking is very nonlinear. When I do communicate in words,I rehearse inside my head before I speak,write,and/or type. I also have issues with demand language like hard for me to respond to questions. It's different when I am communicating spontaneously.

Some people aren't meant to be debaters,and I am one. I even have fear of public speaking. If I speak in front of a lot of people, I start shaking badly,and kinda stutter. I will make verbal slips when speaking like President Bush. A lot of people think that he and other people who have speech problems are stupid. I have a compensative way of speaking to minimize speech errors.

Interestingly Dysnomia, is name for word retrieval connected to Dyslexia...but it is also name of Eris' Moon.

If I was gifted at public speaking and didn't have sensory integration issues,maybe I would be into debating like you and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I am not,and I am fine with that.

posted February 24, 2008 03:28 AM            

I'm glad you see my point,
that there is nothing wrong with debate, in itself.
Just as there is nothing wrong with intolerance.
And nothing wrong with thinking you are right.
It all depends on the circumstances,
as I have shown with the example of Dr. King.

I do not blame you at all for avoiding debate.
We all have different gifts, talents, and strengths,
and we all serve in the ways suited to us.
This is perfectly as it should be.

I can also empathize with a lot of what you experience.

I have been diagnosed,
at one time or another,
with ADD, Depression, Dysthymia,
Schizotypal, and Social Anxiety.
I probably have a hormone imbalance too,
and I appreciated your thread about that.
I dont know anything about autistic spectrum disorder,
but, if I did, I'm sure I'd be convinced
that I have that too, and that its a huge part of my life.

If I recall correctly, you, like me,
have a rather pronounced Scorpio influence.
I cant remember if you are a Scorp w/ Virgo Rising,
or a Virgo with Scorpio Rising,
but I think its one of those, right?
Anyway, as you probably know,
one of the biggest challenges for Scorpio,
is the temptation to identify with their problems.
Other signs will generally say,
"I am feeling really depressed,"
while the typical Scorpio may say,
"I am a black hole of depression,".
An important task for the Scorpio-influenced,
it seems, is to develop a core identity
that does not center around the illnesses
or afflictions that the Scorpio faces.
Attention is a very powerful tool, as you know.
What we give our attention to exerts a powerful influence on us.
I just dont want to see you putting so much attention
on things that already take up so much of your life
(with or without any encouragement from you),
and introducing yourself as "Glaucus;
the guy with Dyslexia, ADD, and autistic spectrum disorder".

You are so much more than that.

As am I.

As are we all.

Like you, and like everybody else,
I have my own hurdles to overcome,
and limitations to work within.

May we all continue to triumph over them.

posted February 24, 2008 03:32 AM            

I consider myself a survivor and not a victim. I believe that everything happens for a reason. I believe that my experiences,who,and what I am taught me lessons in compassion,tolerance of diversity and to prepare me to be an advocate,activist.

I don't really trust psychiatry. I am mental health human rights activist,and so I am a member of MindFreedom International.

Actually, I don't mind referring to myself as Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHD which I do not see as bad things and actually include strengths. I even think my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD nonlinear outside the box,lateral,imaginative,3Dimensional visualization,picture thinking helps me be a very good astrologer. I am an advocate, help raise awareness,understanding about those conditions,what they are really like, and things related like special education which I point is not just for the mentally retarded,and I am a member of/donate to numerous learning disability/Dyslexia organizations. Referring to myself as Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHD is better than referring to myself as stupid,retarded which were things that I was labeled as. It's definitely better than being referred to as schizoaffective bipolar which psychiatrists misdiagnosed me as having. I feel that being a Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,learning disability,neurodivergent,neurodiversity mental health human rights advocate/activist is my life purpose.

I am believer in the neurodiversity movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity
There is even Autistic Pride day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_Pride_Day

I have Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio with Virgo Rising and Moon in Pisces.

posted February 24, 2008 03:52 AM              

i can identify with eris' role in my life and i do feel that it fits with my sun/merc/mars stellium in aquarius. i guess any contact (aspect) would basically be the energies working together then?

i am the black sheep of my entire family, though (in my opinion) am probably one of the sanest of the bunch. i have a few sane uncles who fleed early as well (i'm talking serious dysfunction on both sides), when i was quite young, so really i've been alone my whole life and pretty much raised myself and had no family support whatsoever. not even any cousins or siblings close to my age to hang with (10 year difference, both ways). the majority of my family are drunks or very abusive and projected their **** onto me without even knowing me at all, and i've spent most of my life trying to sort that out in my mind and develop a sense of security and confidence. i feel i have developed very strong convictions that i was forced to to keep me afloat, keep me sane, and i definitely learned to value integrity, kindness, gentleness, compassion and unconditional love of everyone as a result of what i've been through. i've always been "freaky" and blamed for the abuse that was cast on me in a very twisted way (dad was the youngest of several girls, was beaten regularily, all became alcoholics, and his sisters all protect and baby him and basically chose to cast me out of the family at 16 when i walked away from one of his tirades, which they pretended, as usual, didn't happen. with my mother, a similar thing, only she was constantly abusive, physically, emotionally, mentally and extremely neglectful, and i begged to be put in a foster home. of course she had to tell everyone that i was in a foster home because i was a problem child, effed up, etc. she was an angel and so sweet to everyone and no one really cared enough to find out what was true. whether they believed her or not, i have no idea). so basically i have always had a sense of minority since a young age. even at school i was the only poor kid with divorced parents, and that was something of an issue until i learned to develop confidence within my peer group and fortunately i overcame those stigmas (they were quite ingrained being in a catholic school).

sorry for blah blahing. basically the result of my family situation is that i've always felt very "different" than most; perhaps the aquarian in the mix of aspects exacerbates this somewhat. i've chosen a very "fringe" lifestyle; every decision i've ever made, practically, has cast me further from the family structure. silly things like vegetarianism, smoking pot as a teenager, chosing art as a profession, attachment parenting and all its offshoots, etc. the weirdness came, for me, because most of my family is very religious, and yet lead such dysfunctional and abusive lives, yet are so closely knit, and i find myself very consciously and deliberately working on questions of integrity and morality within myself constantly, and from such a young age (since i can remember, definately as early as 2; i remember these questions quite vividly), and yet i was always shunned as someone so in the wrong somehow. so.. all of that to say, i identify and i've always felt quite alone in my views. i've never pushed them down anyone's throat in my family, however, whenever i would bring anything up, i had a head shaking back at me immediately.

posted February 24, 2008 04:24 AM            

I would think that your Mercury sextile Eris,Mars sextile Eris,and Sun trine Eris would indicate the positives of Eris.

Do you have any hard aspects to Saturn and the outerplanets involving personal points/planets that could indicate your life being challenging?

." i feel i have developed very strong convictions that i was forced to to keep me afloat, keep me sane, and i definitely learned to value integrity, kindness, gentleness, compassion and unconditional love of everyone as a result of what i've been through. "

that could fit with the positives of Eris.

posted February 24, 2008 04:33 AM              

well i'm not sure what could point to this specifically. i think perhaps the quincunxes? definitely the exact uranus-moon opposition, i think. i will post my chart and maybe if you see something else you could let me know. my eris is at 12 aries. i meant to say that eris also sextiles my sun, not trines, as you can see.

posted February 24, 2008 04:51 AM            

This is all knew to me, too.

But maybe not the spirit of Eris:

posted February 24, 2008 04:57 AM              

so the other story i wanted to tell you was about something that happened in grade 7 that was QUITE amazing. i was a really shy kid, though quite eccentric and silly and i never fit into any of the cliques. our class was always together because there were only about 23 of us every year so we were never split up through kindergarten to grade 8. we knew eachother very well. i watched in amazement how people worked themselves into and out of cliques. in grade 4 or 5 this girl was held back and came to be in our class. she was a serious bully and had full control of almost all of the girls in our class. there were only 6 or 7 guys every year and the girls definitely dominated the social aspect of our class. this bully was ruthless and grew increasingly more aggressive and mean. she would pick a new best friend every week practically who would end up being her croney. she was the self appointed leader of everyone (and yup, she was a leo!), and basically, the whole dynamic was that everyone tried very hard to be her best friend and basically they would tell pick some one or some clique to treat horribly. they were most pleased when they got ALL the girls against whoever they decided to pick on. it tended to mostly be this certain group of shy/nerdy girls, but the whole dynamic basically became a game of "if you're not with me, you are a loser, and we will trash and torture you relentlessly". not physically, but very serious verbal abuse and ridicule. it was a pretty nasty scene. and since i never really identified with any of the cliques, and was never interested in being in her game, i was occasionally the target of this. when you're a kid, of course, this is all very serious stuff, and this was our lives every day for years. and she was really harsh.

one day in grade 7 i seriously could not take anymore of it (and i remember i was sad cuz a couple of the girls i was closest to started playing her game and started becoming mean, and there was this one poor girl who was emotionally tortured mercilessly daily by like 10 of the girls) and i burst out crying in class. we had a super nice teacher and he asked me what was wrong and i explained the entire situation to him. the ENTIRE group breathed a sigh of relief and all the tension was let out as we all had a very long discussion about all of it. after that, there were no more cliques and i swear to god we were all best friends, even the bully. it was the most amazing thing! i couldn't believe it resolved so easily and that all we had to do was talk about it and let everyone come to terms with their real feelings about the situation. and the next two years of school were amazing. we were like a family and it was truly beautiful! i remember feeling a sense of being myself and creating and maintaining a level of justice that was so needed in that situation, and the kids in my class were grateful to me for sort of getting that process started. and the fact that it didn't start up again was testament to me that people don't want to get all stuck in their little games of hate and division, etc.

posted February 24, 2008 04:59 AM            

Saturn quincunx the sextile of Mercury-Mars and Eris. That also means that Saturn oppose the Mercury/Eris and Mars/Eris midpoints. This could indicate experiences of being restricted,limited because of divergent communications,actions. This could indicate speaking out against the status quo....especially with Mercury-Mars in Aquarius quincunx Saturn. Saturn quincunx planets in 2nd house can indicate possible issues with selfworth,security.

Moon in 4th quincunx the sextile of Neptune in 12th and Pluto in 9th can indicate possible dysfunction,problems with the domestic environment,family,mother. That means that Moon oppose Neptune/Pluto midpoint. It definitely would fit in with the abuse....especially with Pluto involved. Uranus opposes the apex of the Moon....so you actually have a focused yod.
The overall configuration can indicate feeling like you're strange,weird,or don't fit with society. It can be great for being intuitive,spiritual, and being involved with metaphysical pursuits like Astrology.

Sun,Moon,Uranus t-square can indicate instability with both your parents who were in much conflict with each other

posted February 24, 2008 05:09 AM              

okay now i am a firm believer. hee hee. thank you so much! you really know your stuff! :bow: (didn't there used to be a bowing smiley? there should be!)

posted February 24, 2008 05:21 AM            

I can't stand bullies, either. People have tried to pick on me at school and after. Being physically small maybe the thought I would make a suitably weak victim. It didn't quite work out as planned. If you watch the Olympics you will see that no matter how bad things get, the Brits will always produce a rower, and the Irish a boxer. So that's ethnicity and Eris on my chart, lol. The stringy boxer in green shorts. {Ethnicity and race has different descriptors (and angst) here in Europe.} But more a featherweight than a flyweight these days - that's size rather than attitude.

Inconjunct, that's on yours (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). From CafeAstrology:

The inconjunct or quincunx (the terms are generally used interchangeably) aspect in astrology is formed between planets that are roughly 150 degrees apart. If we use an orb of 2 degrees, the planets or points in question can be anywhere from 148 degrees to 152 degrees apart.

The planets and points involved in a quincunx don't understand each other. Unless it's an out-of-sign quincunx, the signs not only are of a different element, they are also of a different modality. For example, take Leo-Pisces. Leo is Fixed Fire, while Pisces is Mutable Water. It's difficult to see common ground between the signs.

posted February 24, 2008 05:42 AM              

i know what you mean about cliques. they are everywhere. in this particular case it was weird because it was like one person practically brainwashing the majority of our class! she came from an abusive home, so i know where her need to control things came from. i just remember wanting everyone to get along SO much and i didn't know what to do about it!

which just gave me a revelation! the girl they were really hard on for the last while was really small too and very shy and obviously the "underdog". it was so sad because nobody liked her on account of this other girl's total dedication to ruining her social life. there were even "initiation" games to be in her clique which required people to find inventive new ways to torture this girl. and when i think about it now, i identified so much with this girl, even though we were very different, in spirit. and i realize now that all of the energy i have spent soaking up my parents' and family's abuse and trying to untangle it was me trying to excercise that power of liberating myself, as the underdog! so now that i have got that revelation out of the way i can officially retire my feelings of sadness on the matter and find some new underdogs to fight for! yay! cuz that does sound very appealing to me!