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Topic: Controversial Topics in Astrology
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2008 01:36 AM
Topics that can cause controversy,debate,and fighting among astrologers are: House systems---which is the best (there are about 20)
Orbs allowed for aspects (from 0 to up to 17 degrees) What planets (and/or asteroids) are vital for chart interpretation Midpoints---whether or not to use them; What is an absolute indicator of "true love" between two charts; What makes a person a jerk or a nerd, astrologically speaking; Which aspects are required for optimial chart interpretation; Hypothetical planets (there are lots out there--maybe); Whether calculated chart interpretations have "soul" What is the correct astrological chart for the United States; When will the Age of Aquarius begin, exactly Astrology - Cause and Effect ,Synchronicity,or both Coordinate System - Geocentric or Heliocentric Which Astrology system to use - Regular Mainstream Astrology, Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology,Vedic Astrology,Magi Astrology,Galactic Astrology,Heliocentric Astrology, Asteroid Astrology,Mayan Astrology,Aztec Astrology,Chinese Astrology, Sidereal Western Astrology based on Cyril Fagan,Evolutionary Astrology,Shamanic Astrology Fixed Star Methods - parans like Bernadette Brady uses or projected ecliptic longitude positions like Diana Rosenberg uses Sunsign matching - whether it works or not Which sign Pluto should rule - Aries or Scorpio Should Chiron rule Virgo Which object rules Virgo: Which object rules Libra: Zodiac Signs - whether to use them or not....Uranian Astrologers don't focus on zodiac signs Houses - whether to use them or not.....e.g. Cosmobiology doesn't included houses minor aspects - whether to use them or not Relationship Charts - Composite or Davison Zodiac systems - Sidereal,Tropical, or the actual constellations Geocentric or Heliocentric the use of declinations - yes or no The use of nodes of objects other than the Moon - yes or no If using nodes of other objects - Heliocentric or Geocentric Which Nodes - Mean or True Which Black Moon Lilith - Mean or True Eris,Pluto,and Ceres - do we make them equal in Astrology as they are in Astronomy? What points are useful,relevant in the chart Whether homosexuality can be indicated by the chart,and what are the indicators Learning disability indicators: Intelligence indicators: Conjunctions,oppositions,squares,semisquares,sesquiquadrates - are they actually stressful,challenging OR do they have to do with concrete events which is the case in Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology
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posted February 24, 2008 02:15 AM
A very exhaustive list, Glaucus. I cant think of anything you missed.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2008 03:00 AM
Just wanted to make a point that there are lot of diversity in AstrologyDo certain methods,techniques,systems give insights? that is something that is relative Honestly, I am losing my belief in the validity of zodiac signs and houses in Astrology. However,I will not say that they don't work. Astrology is a controversial subject any way and perceived as B.S. and pseudoscience by many....especially by majority of scientific,academic community,mental health community I don't even tell mental health professionals that I do Astrology. I am far more open to tell people that I am Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHD(especially as an advocate) than tell people that I am a Scorpio Sun,Pisces Moon,Virgo Ascendant or any other astrology stuff in my chart which I don't tell people who don't believe in Astrology. I don't even charge as an Astrologer because I don't want to be seen as fraud for making money from "pseudoscience" I care how people think and feel about me. I believe some things are meant to be kept secret like metaphysical subjects.
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posted February 24, 2008 05:57 AM
"Honestly, I am losing my belief in the validity of zodiac signs and houses in Astrology. However,I will not say that they don't work."do you mean, then, that you only believe in aspects? i'm curious about this, if you care to elaborate! i am really lucky. a few years ago i saw a therapist who actually practices astrology! i think the world is becoming more accepting, or at least more receptive to all things spiritual and meta-, you know? much more so than even 10 years ago. don't lose hope! IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2008 02:39 PM
Yeah...I am starting believe only in aspects,planetary geometry as well as the astronomical points based on orbits like nodes,perigree/apogee,and perihelion/aphelionalso golden section aspects that Theodor Landscheidt came up with I am thinking of becoming a cosmobiologist......I really like Reinhold Ebertin's concepts IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 54 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2008 04:00 PM
<<< I believe some things are meant to be kept secret like metaphysical subjects. >>>Fascinating. I am absolutely the opposite in this regard. I tell strangers about my love of astrology. I know that I am being judged for it in many cases and occasionally it bothers me, but mostly I can't be bothered to care. I grew up in a family full of secrets and ever since then, I've felt the weight of keeping things to myself as being oppressive and deeply uncomfortable. I'd rather know that someone judges me for something and then move on knowing what to expect from that person. In fact, one of the reasons my ex broke up with me was in part because of my belief in astrology. Silly rabbit. Anyhow, I do understand the reason that many people keep their study of astrology under wraps, but I have such a love and passion for it that I couldn't if I tried (and I have ). It just bubbles up to the surface and ultimately helps me to separate the wheat from the chaff. IP: Logged |
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posted February 24, 2008 04:08 PM
As we're nearing another presidential election in America, I'm reminded of another topic that causes some astrologers I know to practically beat each other up: whether or not there's a specific kind of "presidential chart" for US candidates and if so, what it looks like (bowl, star, splatter, etc.).IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2008 04:09 PM
I have a very strong Saturn influence which might indicate my cautiousness,shyness,insecurity,reserveSaturn is the handle of a bucket Moon square Saturn Sun quincunx Saturn Mercury contraparallel Saturn Venus contraparallel Saturn Saturn oppose Neptune Saturn contraparallel Neptune (Saturn-Neptune occultation) Saturn trine Pluto IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 54 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2008 04:50 PM
Ah. I have Saturn in Leo, 3rd house, squaring Uranus.IP: Logged |
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posted February 25, 2008 12:42 AM
I have saturn conjunct venus and well...I hate it. But I read all these things on Saturn restricting and limiting, etc.....but what I've found is it's really US restricting ourselves, not the saturn doing it to us. Does that make sense what I'm saying? Saturn isn't this outside unknown force that keeps everything away from us, we do it to ourselves. It's a stubborness we can't let go of. Maybe that's all common knowledge and I've just been reading about Saturn wrong but it seems most things I read on it make it seem like its the actual planet putting up some kind of physical barrier. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 25, 2008 12:52 AM
I agree with you. Saturn is a planet of discipline,structure,stability,security,practical,responsibility too. Those can be good things.I see no problem with my being reserved,cautious. I feel that discipline,structure,security are important. Those things were really stressed by my parents. I had a lot of that when I was in US Navy too. I try to be practical too. Believe it or not....I was drawn to my girlfriend mainly because of her Saturn traits. things like her being reserved,cautious,practical,security-oriented,disciplined, responsible,and feeling obligated to her mother like me. It really attracted me that she's reserved sexually(not having sex until she was 20 years old and only had sex with 1 person - her exboyfriend). She has Moon conjunct Saturn in Scorpio in 7th/8th, and my Sun in Scorpio conjuncts that. My Moon in Pisces trines all that.
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Love Knowflake Posts: 54 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 25, 2008 01:05 AM
LeoCat ~I think of astrology as being an indicator of who we are and what we're about - our strengths, weaknesses, traits, etc. Planets, of course, do not make us do things but an aspect in one's chart indicates the liklihood of certain traits being expressed. Our own free will, however, takes precedence over an aspect in our chart. Glaucus ~ <<< I try to be practical too.>>> You make me smile. IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 01:15 AM
glaucus, "Yeah...I am starting believe only in aspects,planetary geometry as well as the astronomical points based on orbits like nodes,perigree/apogee,and perihelion/aphelion."wow, i'm fascintated as to why you are starting to question the validity of houses and zodiac signs! what you told me on the other thread made so much sense that i'm really curious about your method of study and what you've discovered on this, if you don't mind explaining a little.. IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 01:30 AM
Glaucus, do you find her moon/saturn conjunction difficult to deal with? At first, anyway? What are the main attributes of this aspect? Is it a tight conjunction? I've dealt with this so I'm curious... IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 01:50 AM
i opened one of my astrology books randomly today to the description of venus conjunct saturn. it said that since saturn rules time and timing and venus is beauty and art, the conjunction can be very good for musicians. or artists in general. it also says those with the conjunction have an innate sense of justice, fair play and loyalty. sounds good to me!IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 01:58 AM
Then I guess I better wait for that artistic talent to come exploding out of me!!! Hmmm.....not feeling that part of it so much but loyalty for sure but that could be the Leo in me. Leo PLUS the saturn conjunct venus, can you imagine that??? I do seem to attract artistic/musician type people....makes sense, huh? Maybe I'll find one to help me discover that side of me. Hopefully I've got some talent in me, I'm not very cerebral so that's all I can hope for. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2008 02:40 AM
"Glaucus, do you find her moon/saturn conjunction difficult to deal with? At first, anyway? What are the main attributes of this aspect? Is it a tight conjunction?"I've dealt with this so I'm curious..." Well....she was cautious,reserved when we first met with trust issues. She has strong obligations to her mother. Serious,reserved,disciplined,realistic,practical,responsible had a hard time growing up. the conjunction being in Scorpio - sexually reserved(she didn't have sex until she was 20 years old and her exbf was the only guy she was sexually with.....that really attracted me) Moon conjunct Saturn - 1'20 (yeah....I say that's a tight conjunction She has Moon conjunct Saturn/Pluto midpoint ' 41 (she has Moon-Saturn-Pluto conjunction) Her Moon is conjunct North Chiron Node with 21 minutes of arc,and I feel that when there is a close aspect to a node of an object its very significant....nodes of Jupiter and beyond relate to the collective. I say that node aspect strongly modifies her Moon conjunct Saturn. here is an article about the Chiron Nodes in Evolutionary Astrology by Rose Marcus http://www.rosemarcus.com/chiron_excerpt.html IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 02:46 AM
Yeah mine had about a 1.20 orb too. Is she emotionally responsive or does she still keep her emotions under check? Does it seem like a permanent aspect that will always be an issue with her? And you're right on target, heavy obligations to mother...IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2008 03:26 AM
Well....she will always have strong obligations,responsibilities in regards to her mother. She feels that she is the only person who is there for her. I think any aspect has its good and bad too....really depends on the person She's emotionally responsive too and she can keep her emotions in check She has Moon sextile Neptune 2'10 She has Pisces Ascendant She has Moon oppose Mars(in Aries)- 5'55 She has very intense emotional nature with Moon conjunct Pluto - 2'43 I have Moon square Saturn - 1'58, and so I have affinity with her her Moon conjunct Saturn.
I have Moon quincunx Pluto - 2'19,and so I have affinity with her Moon conjunct Pluto I have Moon in Pisces square Neptune - 1'23,and so I have affinity with her Moon sextile Neptune I have Moon conjunct Mars(in Aquarius) - 7'17,and so I have affinity with her Moon oppose Mars. strong lunar affinity help with emotional compability Our Moons trine with 1'47 orb and parallel with 31 minutes of arc, and so she and I are very emotionally responsive,sensitive to each other. She and I feel very comfortable with each other. another thing too...there is an almost 12 year age difference(our Jupiters conjunct in Sagittarius with 2'37 orb and parallel with 1 minute of arc) with me being older. I feel that her Moon-Saturn conjuncting my Sun and trine my Moon helps me feel like we are on the same level. She and I don't feel an age difference.
I feel that she's a lot more mature than I was at her age. I have a history of developmental disorders any way,and it does play a part in how one matures. I consider myself a late bloomer. IP: Logged | |