posted March 13, 2008 05:34 AM            

Saturn can be very positive and in synastry can be instrumental in providing the checks and balances that makes a relationship a good one. It can bring structure, discipline and control that helps harness energies in a positive way. But on the reverse side it can be repressive and ultimately a real drag.

Taken on its own you could see Saturn CNJ MC as someone providing support for your career and your social standing in general. How it ties in to the rest of the chart will give some clues on how that might work out.

posted March 13, 2008 10:49 AM              

His Saturn Opposite my neptune
His Saturn sextile my moon
His staturn Trine my Jupiter, Sun, and Pluto
His chiron conjunct my moon
His chiron Opposite my Jupiter and Sun
His chiron Trine my neptune

My saturn trine his Jupiter
My saturn conjunct his uranus
My chiron Conjunct his mercury, and sun

posted March 14, 2008 06:21 PM              

It is a drag. I was hoping for the prideful Leo, but got the clingy, creepy Caner.

posted March 14, 2008 07:25 PM            

According to Reinhold Ebertin's book,COSMIC MARRIAGE

Saturn-Midheaven
(conjunction,square,opposition)
is interpreted as:
suffering because of the other,one oppresses the other

please keep in mind that Cosmobiology is a different system from Western Astrology so aspects interpreted differently. Midheaven is the most important in Cosmobiology too. It incorporates meanings of the Imum Coeli into the Midheaven.

but still traditional wise, Saturn conjunct Midheaven will tend to be very restrictive,limiting when it comes to the domestic environment because it is also Saturn oppose Imum Coeli

Remember that every point that conjuncts an angle is also an opposition to the opposite angle.

Would it be ok to check out your charts?

I could also look at your geocentric planetary node synastry for karmic insights

I'd look at the nodes of Mercury,Venus,Mars

posted March 14, 2008 08:24 PM            

He wanted to marry me and it was never really an option for me. He felt very safe to me and people thought of us as a "Power Couple" and I liked how that looked until I became attracted to other men, but those men respected him so much that by the time he and I broke up, they wouldn't touch me with a 10 foot pole out of loyalty to him.

I felt that he did everything too slow for my taste. We are great friends today and he is now married with children which was a huge part of what he wanted in his life right away. I wasn't there yet. I did feel very stuck in the relationship because I found it hard to break up with such a nice person and I knew it would break his heart. That's the wrong reason to stay in a relationship with someone because it deprives them of the lessons they need to learn as well.

That's my experience of Saturn conjunct MC in synastry.

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posted March 14, 2008 08:53 PM            

The closest aspects in your synastry
are 2 challenging aspects.

when an aspect is the closest orbed aspect in the synastry,it tends to dominate...its tends to raise more noise than the other aspects. So its a very important aspect. When you have the closest orb aspect being a challenging aspect, then the relationship can very challenging.

The first one is
his Sun square your Mars with 12 minutes of arc. That indicates that his ego,self expression are in friction,conflict with your passions,actions. There is potential for fighting,violence if you and he fail to handle the energies.

The second one is his Uranus oppose your Moon with 12 minutes of arc. That indicates his independence,detachment is at odds with your emotional nature,feelings.....this could indicate that you feel that he's too detached for you so you feel that he doesn't care about you. He can have an unstable effect on your emotions
His Uranus is conjunct your Sun with on 24 minutes of arc and your Jupiter with 57 minutes of arc,and so his independence,detachment merge with your ego,self expression,expansiveness. He can have an unstable effect on your emotions. Uranus conjunct Sun-Jupiter can feel rather disturbing,especially when his Uranus opposes your Moon.....so it seems that there is instability,detachment in the relationship that can be a problem. It could feel like being on a roller coaster.

His Saturn squares your Ascendant with 57 minutes of arc, and that indicates that his structure,discipline are in conflict,friction with your personality. He can restrict,limit you. You could even feel weighed down by him.
Yeah..it can feel karmic...especially when you have the other challenging aspects in the synastry.

Your boyfriend has a t-square of Mars square Venus-Neptune opposition which can indicate that he can be
uncertain,confused as well confusing,hard to pin down in his sexual,romantic relationships
Your Venus is conjunct his Neptune which indicates your love nature and his idealism,imagination merge
but it also oppose his Venus,and square your Mars.....so your Venus forms a t-square with his Mars square Venus which indicates that your affections are in great conflict with his affections,passions. It can indicate a sexual attraction, but it also can be quite aggressive and be full of friction,conflict. Love n' Hate like you said. It can be an up and down relationship. T-Squares tend to be signs of problematic relationships..especially if they involve Mars. Your Venus pretty much aggravates the t-squares in his chart so your love nature caught up in his issues of being uncertain,confused in sexual romantic relationships.

Another thing too...I don't see a Venus square Mars in your chart because an orb of 9'31 is rather wide for a square. On the other hand,he definitely has Venus square Mars with only 37 minutes of arc. That's a very narrow orbed aspect,and its involving in a t-square with his Neptune. Your Venus closely aspects his t-square, but your Mars is not aspecting the his t-square because it's too wide to be in aspect with your Venus. However,it is involved in a t-square with his chart.

You have Mars square Uranus which indicates that your actions,passions are in conflict,friction with your independence,detachment. His Sun squares your Mars which I is the aspect that I mentioned first,and opposes your Uranus. .......so his Sun forms a t-square with your Mars square Uranus which indicates that his ego,self expression are in great conflict with your actions,passions,independence,detachment. Like I said before, T-Squares tend to be signs of problematic relationships.....especially if they involve Mars...also Uranus is in the mix....it can indicate sudden impulsive,rash actions in relationships. There can be a sudden clash of wills and there can be sudden violence if the energies aren't handled right.

You and your boyfriend have 2 synastry T-Squares and they both involve Mars and outerplanets, and so it can be a very problematic relationships. No wonder you feel like it's a really bad karmic connection!

Planetary Geometry is very important in Astrology

As for the planetary nodes:

Your North Mercury Node squares his Lunar Nodes with 9 minutes of arc,and that indicates a stressful karmic communication connection

Your North Venus Node square his Venus with 25 minutes of arc and oppose his Mars with 1'02 orb, and that indicates a karmic love,passionate connection which can involve conflict,possessiveness,and aggression. it adds more emphasis to the t-square of your Venus with his Venus square Mars

In the composite chart:

Uranus squares an opposition of Sun-Mercury and Moon and that indicates a lot of unpredictabiliy,instability of the relationship.
That adds to the issues the Sun,Mars,Uranus synastry t-square

posted March 14, 2008 10:49 PM            

Cmilo13,

I agree with everything Glaucus said, and it's true that the Saturn-MC conjunction is the least of your issues in your chart comparison.