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GrlyGirl20
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posted March 21, 2008 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this something other Scorpio/Pluto people have gone through? When I read this it was like the story of my life...and I have a moon square pluto aspect along with a slew of other pluo/scorp aspects...do any of you other Plutonians resonate with what Lauren Conrad (who has a scorpio moon and mars) said in this interview? If so please share?

"For Lauren Conrad, betrayal has been a fact of life.

"I want to say I can always trust my good friends that I've had forever, but at the same time, some of my oldest friends have betrayed me," the Hills star reveals in the latest issue of Us Weekly, on newsstands now.

For the first time, Conrad opens up to Us in an exclusive interview about how ex Brody Jenner went public with a new girlfriend just days after she left for Paris while best friend Audrina Patridge buried the hatchet with Conrad's ex-BFF, Heidi Montag.

"At this point, I have to question every person that wants to have a relationship with me, whether it's a friendship or a romantic relationship," she tells Us.

The latest betrayals have been especially difficult for Conrad, who battled sex-tape rumors allegedly spread by Montag and caught one-time beau Jason Wahler in a liplock with another girl.

"Audrina has to remind me that she's not someone who's going to betray me," Conrad, 22, says pointedly.

As for Jenner's rebound, she says, "When you have that type of thing, you always have to question, 'Why wasn't I good enough?'"

"It's disappointing to have to question relationships," she adds.

For more from Us interview with Conrad on her latest round of letdowns, including her answers to Us' relationship quiz and Audrina's side of the story, check out the newest issue of Us Weekly, on newsstands now."
http://www.usmagazine.com/lauren_conrad_how_audrina_and_brody_betrayed_me

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LadyNeptune
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posted March 21, 2008 09:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortuately, I can relate.

Moon square pluto and some other pluto aspects I have that I can't recall right now.

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posted March 21, 2008 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun trine Pluto, Moon square Pluto, Mars opposition Pluto, Venus trine Pluto and Pluto in the 7th. So I am pretty Plutonian ! But not a Scorpio or have any personal planets in Scorpio.

Betrayal yes. But haven't we all been betrayed at one point or another ! Forgiveness is the best way forward.

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alanabelle86
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posted March 21, 2008 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, Moon and Mars square Pluto with Pluto conjunct Sun in Scorpio in the 11th. 4 planets in Scorpio with Moon in 8th.

Pluto is my 11th and 12th ruler, tying my secret enemies and friends together for one nasty combination.

Yep. I'm at the point where even my closest "friends", I've distanced myself from because I've finally come to terms with the fact that you can't trust anyone. And after years of constant betrayal, power struggles, and manipulation by the friends I've attracted into my life, as an adult...I've decided I'm better off without. It seemed that every few years within the 22 years of my life, I had a massive "friend" overhaul where I have to constantly rid the negative people from my life. And right now I'm a point where there's probably two or three, "decent" people around.

So now, I have acquaintances, I suppose. But I don't get too close.

Pluto in the 11th will do that to you.

My Capricorn mother doesn't have friends. She has some people she knows through work, that she considers acquaintances...and she visits them sometime and keeps in touch, but thats where the line gets drawn. She taught me from a young age to trust no one. She's got Pluto in a Tsquare with her Moon (1st ruler) and her Venus (11th ruler).

My Dad is the same way too, except he's very very social, and though he's been betrayed by friends in the past, it doesn't seem to get him down as much...He's got the Moon conj. Pluto, Pluto square his Sun...no birthtime for him so I can't give much of an interp besides that...


And (I've got Neptune in the 1st, Sag AC with Saturn conjunct from the 12th...Chiron in the 7th) I have learned the hard way. The very hard way.

But on the flip side, I believe one attracts it to. I'm aware of this flaw...if you're not open and trusting to new people and constantly associate others with an inevitable betrayal, and treat them like you're guarded and have something to hide. Then of course, they're going to return the favor...


So I guess it's just one of those things I (and others with the same issue) have to work on overcoming.

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seveneieghtorange
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posted March 21, 2008 01:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ASC, Sun trine pluto; moon conjunct pluto, mercury square pluto, a very loose opposition between venus and pluto and pluto in the 5th house. My moon and pluto are in scorpio. I can relate with betrayal and having people to keep reminding me that they wont screw me over behind my back. I dont ever trust anyone, really, and I have been betrayed by my own family and close family friends whom I thought I could trust with my life. I can't forgive, it'll take me years and years to do that and even then I cut off all ties as soon as I see that our relationship is ended. I have a lot of dignity and pride when it comes to people who have messed with me, as in I dont ask for their help, I dont acknowledge them, When a relationship/friendship ends for me, it is completely terminated and basically they're dead to me.

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posted March 21, 2008 01:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't realise there were so many people who had such a hard time with Pluto. I have a mutable T- Square involving Mars/Pluto with moon at it's apex. Anybody who triggers this is likely to cause quite hard feelings.

But I guess I have learnt to deal with the explosive combination but you have to forgive in order to transform yourself which is another key thing with Pluto.

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posted March 21, 2008 04:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest fear, truth be told.

Sun/Venus conjunction opposite Pluto, Pluto trine Saturn, Pluto trine Neptune (Grand Cross).

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posted March 21, 2008 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest fear, truth be told.

Sun/Venus conjunction opposite Pluto, Pluto trine Saturn, Pluto trine Neptune (Grand Cross).

Moon and Uranus in Scorpio.

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posted March 21, 2008 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest fear, truth be told.

Sun/Venus conjunction opposite Pluto, Pluto trine Saturn, Pluto trine Neptune (Grand Cross).

Moon and Uranus in Scorpio.

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posted March 21, 2008 05:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im a sun conj pluto in scorpio - among other pluto aspects - and I've actually never experienced any serious form of betrayal.. there have been times where I have unintentionally caused the betrayal though...

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posted March 21, 2008 09:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
berryberry

how is it a grand cross when you have the aspects in trine ?

What exactly is your greatest fear as well ?

Venus opposite of Pluto. Oooo... not nice. Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Pluto aspects are real harsh.

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posted March 22, 2008 12:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope its of any help.

Venus square Pluto (Haydn Paul)

Pluto introduces an element of fate into your emotional affairs, which are likely to be a source of problems in your life. Your intense emotions are liable to dictate the nature of your choices, and you may experience difficulties through being unable to control your desires and passions. This can involve you in relationships that may be basically unsuitable, and which serve to stimulate aspects of your character that may not be to your own or your partner's benefit. At an extreme, such relationships could become mutually destructive and life-spoiling, or degenerate into debasement of character. Social and materialistic conditions will tend to influence your potential fulfillment; and you are likely to be attracted towards those who seem to offer money, possessions and social status as well as a personal relationship. This is partly because of your need for a sense of security; and it can play a deciding factor in your affairs or marriage. Conversely, in the inebriation of passion, you may find that you are committed to someone who has none of these additional 'assets', and that the lack of them eventually has a negative effect on the relationship. You are probably too self-centered in relationship, eagerly taking but giving less in return, and yet discovering that you are still not experiencing the peaks of emotional and sexual intensity that you imagine are there; this builds a feeling of frustration over time, which dissipates much of your ability to enjoy and causes you to begin a process of withdrawal form your commitment and responsibility, mentally, emotionally and physically. A conflict that you encounter is that of chasing your desires, or chasing your needs. You may nee to spend some time actually deciding what your real needs actually are, as opposed to desires - which are much less essential to your well-being. Experience should show you that there is usually a cost for everything, and that the fulfillment of genuine needs tends to bring in its wake far fewer negatives than does the compulsion to satisfy desires. One can imagine an infinite number of desires; but in general only a handful of needs demands to be met in order for one to enjoy life. It is your choice towards which you direct your energy. Chasing desires often encourages you to attempt to manipulate others through some form of personal domination. Crises associated with relationship and emotions are likely, providing you with the possibility of transformational and understanding of the energies of love, emotion and sex within yourself. This can break down your self-preoccupation, making you able to give and compromise more with your partner, to resolve the dangers of negative relationship and to have more conscious control over your strong impulsive drives and desires. One way to channel this energy is in artistic expression, as you should discover that you possess some talent in that area which may be lying latent. You should try to avoid any tendency towards entering secret love affairs, which, whilst they may stoke the fires of passion, also stimulate your more negative characteristics of not always being trustworthy and not always fulfilling your obligations.

Venus square Pluto (Robert Pelletier)

As a result of Venus square Pluto, you may find that your emotional life brings you more problems than satisfaction. You are deeply aware that any benefits you receive are always accompanied by some negative effects. What you want is often not what you need, so that as you strive to satisfy your desires you also have to endure suffering in some way. These desires cast you into relationships that eventually frustrate your real need for a permanent and serene partnership. You tend to give of yourself in order to get what you want, and may even profess love for someone in order to marry. You could be obsessed with using sex as a device to obtain financial security or material comforts. It may also be that you really love someone who is already attached, or that your lover may be taken from you by a new interest in someone else. There will be a major upheaval or serious crisis in your life, which could easily transform your preoccupation with personal, physical relationships to a broader love that includes spiritual and intellectual companionship as well. You can be sure that if problems persist in your domestic and professional relationships, you have not successfully resolved your personal conflicts. To demonstrate your worth, you must learn to fulfill your responsibilities. Don't wait until you are sure you will benefit from a particular course before you start, or you never will accomplish what you want. Make sure that your behavior is above reproach so you can attract people for what you are. This will also encourage the kinds of circumstances you can deal with, at home and on the job. You need to change your attitudes in order to significantly improve people's feelings about you. Patronizing people is a poor substitute for being honest with them. Friends thus gained will never respect you, and you won't respect them, either. Don't make promises unless you intend to keep them. People will think you are a poor loser or that you make gestures of compromise only when there is something you want. You are inclined to take when you should give, to make accusations without thinking and to feel offended when your sincerity is challenged. All these qualities make others behave offensively to you. Try to develop warmth, sincerity, and compassion. The revised image will miraculously transform your personal and social affairs to your benefit. You may experience some malfunction of the generative organs. Periodic physical examinations are recommended.

Venus opposition Pluto (Haydn Paul)

The challenging aspects of square and opposition invariably display the dark face of the distorted Pluto energy, and require considerable individual transformation and self-understanding to mitigate the potentially negative impact on life that they will otherwise influence a person to experience. It is important to remember that this influence to confront the darker side of the psyche is inherently positive and creatively beneficial if it is used to reorient the inner life, and that this is the hidden purpose of the Pluto impulses. It is likely that you will experience a repetitive pattern of sexual love and emotional affairs which either do not seem to satisfy and fulfill you, or collapse into failure, acrimony and suffering. This can lead to a jaded, cynical attitude founded upon a frustrated, demoralized emotionally battered perception of love. Your emotional intensity and passion is likely to cause difficulties for you, as it often seems to run away out of your control, and can take you into situations and encounters which from a clearer perspective you would consider to be undesirable. Certainly you are looking for something; but your sexual and emotional desires can be too strong, creating distortions of inner energy and leading to compulsive behavior on your part - followed by an attempt at justification in the vein of 'I couldn't help myself...'. Either you will feel driven to experiment in various relationships on a continuous basis, or, as a reaction, you may attempt to avoid entering any emotional affair as you are afraid of experiencing the old established pattern again. Problems can arise in your intimate relationships due to your tendency to introduce the element of domination. You tend to demand your own way or assume a dominating role, sometimes played out in potentially damaging sexual and emotional contexts, sometimes obvious, sometimes more subtle. Even if you assume a submissive role, it is only as a hidden way to manipulate and achieve your intentions through a subtle route; it is not your natural approach. Usually, you want your partners to change to suit you, and you can put intense pressure upon them, especially sexually and emotionally. You will need to learn the necessity for mutual compromise in relationships, to understand your inner underlying desires and impulses which are conditioning and controlling you from the depths of your unconscious. It may be appropriate to study humanistic psychology, or take part in a course or therapy designed to bring about safe release of hidden impulses into the light of conscious awareness. Such impulses, and unconscious inner fantasy lives, are present to some degree in everyone; but with this aspect they will stimulate problems for you, which are resolvable if you are willing to confront them in an act of personal reintegration and transformation. This will also serve to balance out your erratic flow of emotional desires, which often seems to confuse you and your partner, as you appear to 'blow very hot and very cold' in your responses to them; this is when your inner impulses arise and fall in some hidden rhythmic cycle, leading to uncontrollable emotional and sexual needs and intensity, or to a lack of response and to coldness. Always, the choice is yours; potentially you can defuse many of the difficulties that usually face you in relationships, or you can continue hoping that they will lift of their own accord. Pluto is influencing you to take the positive approach, by facing you with the results of being passive to the inner forces and by remaining unconscious of their hidden promptings.

Venus opposition Pluto (Robert Pelletier)

With Venus opposition Pluto, your intense emotional nature may create many problems for you, as you strive to force your demands on others. On the other hand, you may avoid involvement with others, fearing the responsibility of an emotional attachment. In either case, you will alienate yourself from those who may be dearest to you. In any permanent relationship, money is often seen as the cause of disharmony. The real problem, however, is usually the excessive demands you make of your partner, or your partner's possessive attitude toward you. You must appraise your feelings realistically to see if the two of you have simply grown apart, or if you have tried to remake your partner to fit your ideal image. Before making any contractual commitment to someone, you should try to examine your prospective mate's potentials carefully. This means realistically evaluating his or her capacity to fulfill your needs, both as a partner and as a parent of your children. The best physical mate does not necessarily make a good parent. There may be an inability to accept the responsibility of a family and the restraints to personal freedom and mobility. Any problems you may have, however, can be resolved if you are willing to compromise. The freedom you can enjoy together may be greater than any freedom you could have separately. Early in your professional career, as you are trying to become established, you will encounter certain difficulties. Some individuals may try to take advantage of your naivety to create trouble between you and your superiors. You are sure to encounter severe competition from your co-workers, who will feel threatened by you. Avoid forming a close alliance with anyone until you are sure that person can be trusted with your confidences. This is especially true of your boss. Being friendly with him may give you job security, but it will certainly disrupt comfortable working conditions with your fellow employees, and these are the people you have to live with each day. To be truly effective, try to maintain a purely social attitude in your professional endeavors. Any emotional involvement will unnecessarily complicate your goals. It is easy to be victimized by a person for whom you feel an emotional attachment because it is so difficult to say 'no', even to excessive demands. If you allow yourself to be used, you will increase the chances of being abused.


Pluto does gets us under enormous stress, but if we work towards handling it, which is very difficult to do, the payoff's are huge. just my thoughts. ( I have pluto and scorpio moon in the 8th house opposed by a stellium of sun,mars,mercury and venus in the second house)

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