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distantmountain
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posted March 23, 2008 12:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Friends and Astrologers,

Any of you can help me to understand more about two theses asteroids: Persephone (399)and Proserpina (26). I read somewhere that they are the same, but then there are 2 different numbers. I read definition in Treehousemountain, but still don’t understand what they mean. I have Proserpina in my first house, and Persephone in the eighth house. I am scared.
Many thanks in advance.
distantmountain

http://www.astrosoftware.com/Iris.htm
Chapter 8: Proserpina
Proserpina, lady of transitions, other-worldly realms, and sacrifice
The asteroid Proserpina is named in honor of the goddess of the dead, consort of Pluto, she who was known as Persephone to the Greeks. As a goddess archetype, Proserpina constellates an energy that is often hard to fathom at first, because in the poetic myths. Proserpina/Persephone seems to have little personality of her own. As the innocent maiden, abducted by Pluto/Hades into the underworld, she was scarcely distinguishable from her fertility goddess mother Ceres/Demeter. As Pluto's wife and queen of the underworld, though, she receives the souls of the dead and as such, is also a guide to other realms and levels of being, and the deepest places of the psyche. The asteroid Proserpina seems to manifest as an energy of innocence and ignorance that learns a very great deal by (often hard) experience. She shows where you tend to take the line of least resistance, to be passive or helpless, and teaches you the consequences of such unaware or unassertive responses. She points to what you learn through the various transitions of life, which may or may not be painful, but which always entail a letting go of what has ceased to be viable, and carry therefore some sense of sacrifice. She shows you altered states of being, can help you to open up to all the stimuli of life, assists you to adapt and change in response to your environment, and even helps you to cultivate psychic perception.
Proserpina is a tricky energy to deal with, though, because she is so hard to know in essence. You need to be still, and quietly open, to access Proserpina and work with her successfully. Ignore her altogether and you may find yourself plunging into situations you never expected or wanted; honor her and she will help you to find a way through the dark, a guide for your soul who aids your inner journey and ultimately, as a result, your path to individuation in the outer world.
http://www.treehousemountain.com/
PERSEPHONE (399): Attitude toward “leaving” or “being taken or sent away from¼home, family or familiar conditions;” memories of what separated you from mother/family (even emotionally); how you handle transitions and the rites of passage in your life (going to school; the adolescent crisis; separation for marriage or career; mid-life, etc.,). [See also Proserpina]

PROSERPINA (26): Separation anxiety; leaving; going away; what you believe will happen if “mother's not there to take care of you;” the conditions you attract as you approach a transition or separation

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blue moon
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posted March 23, 2008 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
# 26 is in my 4th house, apparently. The house of the mother. I'd more likely wake up in a cold sweat with the idea of being close to my mother than being separated from her ~ is this where I take the line of least resistance? Er, no, if I did everything would be fine.

Do either of these asteroids link into any of your personal planets at a tight orb? If not, I wouldn't place your fears in them.

Being logical, they are going to fall in one house or another. Which house will vary under which house system you use. #399 could be in my 2nd or my 3rd depending upon whether I used EHS or Placidus. You can read doom and gloom into any of the houses.

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distantmountain
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posted March 24, 2008 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Blue Moon,
I don't know EHS or Placidus, I use the normal system, the Astrodient (Astro.com). I found all Asteroids and Transneptunian, Centaurs... are quite accurate in my case and they work well in my family members' charts.
These two are not conjunct any personal planet. I am worried more with #26 in 1rst house. I read a story, a girl with #26 conjunct Venus in the 10th, was kidnapped by a man, 5 years later she was found alive, returned home with her parents.
About my mother, during my childhood, my mother was always with me.
Cordially,
distantmountain

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distantmountain
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posted March 24, 2008 04:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Blue Moon,
I forgot to tell you I agree with you the 4th house is the mother house, but many Astrologers take it for the 10th. I have strong 10th house, but my mother is very inferior to my father. My mother is weak and non-professional while my Father is a very well-known figure within my relative and our small society. He is an extraordiany man. My 4th house is empty and weak, it should indicate my mother rather than my father.
Again, my children have strong 10th house, and my husband is far more talent than me. He is high professional,and a very strong man. He is very important to my family and to his company. I don't understand why they refer 10th house to the father.
distantmountain

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Glaucus
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posted March 24, 2008 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have an asteroid report that has Proserpina in it.

PROSERPINA: feminine passivity and
sublime/altered states

according to the report called Iris Report,its a the yin counterpart to Neptune in regards to passivity and sublime/altered states

In my Iris Report:

Chapter 8: Proserpina

Proserpina, lady of transitions, other-worldly realms, and sacrifice

The asteroid Proserpina is named in honor of the goddess of the dead, consort of Pluto, she who was known as Persephone to the Greeks. As a goddess archetype, Proserpina constellates an energy that is often hard to fathom at first, because in the poetic myths Proserpina/Persephone seems to have little personality of her own. As the innocent maiden, abducted by Pluto/Hades into the underworld, she was scarcely distinguishable from her fertility goddess mother Ceres/Demeter. As Pluto's wife and queen of the underworld, though, she receives the souls of the dead and as such, is also a guide to other realms and levels of being, and the deepest places of the psyche. The asteroid Proserpina seems to manifest as an energy of innocence and ignorance that learns a very great deal by (often hard) experience. She shows where you tend to take the line of least resistance, to be passive or helpless, and teaches you the consequences of such unaware or unassertive responses. She points to what you learn through the various transitions of life, which may or may not be painful, but which always entail a letting go of what has ceased to be viable, and carry therefore some sense of sacrifice. She shows you altered states of being, can help you to open up to all the stimuli of life, assists you to adapt and change in response to your environment, and even helps you to cultivate psychic perception.

Proserpina is a tricky energy to deal with, though, because she is so hard to know in essence. You need to be still, and quietly open, to access Proserpina and work with her successfully. Ignore her altogether and you may find yourself plunging into situations you never expected or wanted; honor her and she will help you to find a way through the dark, a guide for your soul who aids your inner journey and ultimately, as a result, your path to individuation in the outer world.

Proserpina in Pisces:

Pisces can seem an ideal home for Proserpina, offering limitless possibilities for shape shifting and life sampling. But life is not just an endless dressing up box, and you need to get real about something, a job perhaps, or your relationships. And no, you can't be all things to all people - or you can try, and see what happens. You tend to be entranced by the dramas of life, though, so you mightn't mind a bit of florid color and feeling in your exchanges with others. Dullness is death, for you: you'd rather die a thousand times than be bored. So if excitement fails to find you, you'll go out and find it. You have a deep sense of the way intense feeling (even suffering) purifies and magnifies the soul - as long as it doesn't harm it, at least temporarily. That's the challenge: to experience everything without losing yourself in the process. You don't want a quiet easy life, do you?!

Proserpina in 7th house:

The energy of Proserpina has a strange potency in the horoscope sector that focuses on relationships. The whole relating game can be more than usually difficult, especially when you are young, because you find it all too easy to see the best in people and only learn the hard way how to suss out what is really going on, as opposed to what your fantasy projections might be. You may also find yourself in situations that teach you lessons in standing up for your rights or preferences. It can take a while for you to give yourself permission to put yourself first sometimes, but you don't have to be a sacrificial offering, always, with everyone. And look out for seemingly wounded game players!

Proserpina Trine Mercury, Orb: 0 deg. 10 min.

There's a mine of talent for you in your subtle mind, especially if you can harness your vivid imagination in a practical way. The main risk here is letting things ride: when you can do things so easily, there is a temptation to cruise rather than put the effort in. The rewards will be much greater if you focus rather than drift, and stay level headed, too!

Proserpina Trine Venus, Orb: 3 deg. 36 min.

Your sensitivity is a source of comfort and strength in many ways: you win friends and influence through your responsiveness and charm. But you mustn't let your sympathies spill over too much lest even with your savvy, you get taken for a ride. You also need to watch out for the problems that follow those who try to be all things to all people.

Proserpina Trine Bacchus, Orb: 0 deg. 32 min.

You can derive a sense of strength and satisfaction from giving free rein to some rather wild, even anarchic energies, which makes you one of those free-spirited people who tend to inspire others rather than repel them. Your big secret is that you aren't quite the crazy drop-out you might seem, but one clever cookie doing your thing your way.

Proserpina Opposition Asc., Orb: 4 deg. 44 min.

You may find that life has some lessons for you around the boundaries you set for dealing with the world. You present to others an adaptable and obliging soul, and if you don't have a realistic sense of where you fit, your kindness could be exploited. Take care, too, not to believe all you hear from everyone: the Brooklyn Bridge has never been for sale!

Raymond

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distantmountain
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posted March 24, 2008 04:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Glaucus,
Thanks for your comment. I've learned something for Proserpina from your report. I am thinking of purchasing an Iris report too. Many thanks Glaucus.
cordially,
distantmountain

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blue moon
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posted March 24, 2008 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kidnapping is an extreme event. Maybe I'm cynical but I'd be looking for more than the house position of an asteroid - I'm thinking maybe some supporting transits and/or progressions, and possibly stressful natal aspects. Female sacrifice is more an idea I can connect to as a general symbolism of this placement.

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distantmountain
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posted March 25, 2008 12:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue Moon,
Here are some info a bout the little young girl:She was born November 3rd 1987 Salt Lake City UT ( US).

Elizabeth Smart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Smart_kidnapping http://www.scribd.com/doc/2282857/Asteroids-Planets-and-Forensic-Astrology

In Elizabeth Smart’s chart, the asteroid Proserpina is conjunct her Venus in late Scorpio. Proserpine is another name for Persephone, who was abducted and raped by Pluto and became queen of the underworld. Elizabeth Smart’s kidnapper is believed to be Richard Ricci, a handyman who worked at their house the year before. In his chart, the asteroid Toro is conjunct Mars and Neptune in the 7th house of his chart. When Elizabeth was abducted, her progressed asteroid Richard had just moved into a conjunction with her natal Prosperine. The kidnapping took place at 1:00 am on June 5, 2002 in Salt Lake City, Utah

And here: www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0004346.HTM - 39k - http://lesreveurs.livejournal.com/180978.html

Thanks,
distantmountain.

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distantmountain
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posted March 25, 2008 12:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgot to give you the time: she was born at 1:03 Pm

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misterhank
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posted March 29, 2008 11:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What can you tell me about Prospertina & Persephone in my following placements?


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*Sun: 8th House/Leo, Moon: 3rd House/Pisces, Venus: 8th House/Leo, Mars: 6th House/Cancer, Jupiter: 8th House/Leo, Saturn: 8th House/Virgo, ASC: Capricorn

"A gifted mind needs a gifted heart to sympathize others who are in vain."

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Mhax
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posted March 30, 2008 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mhax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Misterhunk I was born on August 11th of 1979 and I have the same ASC.

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