posted July 22, 2008 06:22 AM              

Aries mirrors Pisces
Tauurus - Leo
Gemini - Cancer
Libra - Virgo
Scorpio - Aquarius
Sagittarius - Capricorn

But you have to substract the planet`s lenght from 30° to get the solstice point.

Example:
Sun:
26° Sagittarius

Solstice point would be 4° Capricorn

or:
Moon 17° Aquarius

Solstie point: 13° Scorpio

Blashke suggested in his books that those solstice points (and the opposite points, too) may relate to TWinsouls.
It does actually make sense. Those points reflect each other, even though they are different. And it`s always a masculine sign mirroring a feminine sign example: Leo - Taurus.

BTW mirror-degrees or solstice-conjuncctions along with the oppositions make for very strong, intense synastric connections, which are somehow invisible on the surface. It`s like the attraction is under the surface; you don`t jhave a rational reason for it,b ut it`s there, GOD; it definitely was there.

posted July 22, 2008 07:31 AM              

I only did solstice calculations for conjunct/oppositions (within 2 degrees unless specified) for
sun/moon/venus/mars/saturn/neptune/pluto/NN/vertex/juno/DNA/karma/valentine/Atlantis!

my solstice sun conjuncts his N saturn
my solstice moon opposes his isis exact
my solstice venus opposes his DNA / conjunct his IC
my solstice mars conjunct his kaali
my solstice pluto oppoes his chiron exact
my solstice vertex opposes his NN/IC
my solstice juno opposes his siva
my solstice DNA conjunct his chiron exact
my solstice karma opposes his saturn
my solstice valentine conjunct his psyche
my solstice atlantis conjunct his moon / opposes his karma exact

his solstice neptune opposes my IC (lol)
his solstice pluto conjunct my eros exact
his solstice NN opposes my vertex exact
his solstice chiron opposes my pluto exact / conjunct my DNA exact
his solstice vertex conjunct my aphrodite
his solstice DNA opposes my venus exact / opposes my moon / conjunct my vertex
his solstice atlantis conjunct my eros

posted July 22, 2008 07:37 AM              

Is that right, is that what you wanted from solstice?

posted July 22, 2008 09:38 AM              

yES OF COURSE - you do well on reminding me about orbs

Solstices make me really confused.im not yet very aknowledgeable about them but yes i thought interesting to post cause it showed that the wider orb might be there for a reason.

posted July 22, 2008 10:30 AM              

even more significant / remarkable it becomes if you have "bilevel-aspects", aspects which are parallel / contraparallel at the same time

The theory behind solstice points is tightly interwoven with parallels and contraparallels. Because the solstic points of the Sun are ALWAYS parallel each other.
It seems that if there is a parallel with the Sun, at the same time there is either a conjunction or a solstice point conjunction.

Actually those are the "true" astronomical aspects.
As you know we say that if something is conjunct Sun, it disappears into the sun`s rays, they melt together.
BUT if there is a conjunction and NOT a parallel, two planets may occupy the same point in the zodiac, but have a different height. It then looks like the other planet is slightly above or below the Sun.

posted July 22, 2008 10:45 AM              

So l only use conjunct or oppositions?

Is it like this:-

His atlantis opposes my DNA (7)
My atlantis trine his DNA (2)
MY SOLSTICE VERTEX CONJUNCT HIS N DNA (0)

His siva trine my NN (7)
My siva square his NN (6)
MY SOLSTICE JUNO OPPOSES HIS NATAL SIVA

His Jupiter opposes my sun (6)
My Jupiter conjunct his sun (6)
MY SOLSTICE SUN CONJUNCT MY NATAL SUN
HIS SOLSTICE NN OPPOSES MY NATAL JUPITER

His Jupiter opposes my moon (8)
My Jupiter trine his moon (6)
MY SOLSTICE ATLANTIS CONJUNCT HIS NATAL MOON (1)
MY SOLSTICE ATLANTIS OPPOSES HIS NATAL KARMA (0)

His DNA biquintile my MC (0)
My DNA opposes his MC (10)
MY SOLSTICE VERTEX CONJUNCT HIS DNA
MY SOLSTICE DNA OPPOSES HIS IC

posted July 22, 2008 10:48 AM              

I mean, if i'm calculating it in my head how do l calculate the equivalent for the declination?

posted July 22, 2008 10:52 AM              

First you calculate if two planets have an aspect or are solstice conjunct each other.

Example:
Sun: 26° Sagittarius
Venus : 06° Capricorn

Roughly - solstice conjunct

Then you look at the column where the declinations are listed; each planet has a longitudinal length 26° Sagittarius for example AND additionally a declination: 23°23 S for example.

You have found one aspect in the longitudes: Venus solstice conjunct Sun.

And now you look if they are also parallel each other.
In this case Venus is on 24°06 S and Sun is on 23°32 S, so they are parallels (orb: 1°).

This means they are solstice conjunct AND parallel, a bilevel aspect.

posted July 22, 2008 10:57 AM              

I get it

posted July 22, 2008 11:02 AM              

my Venus 6'59 N
his Chiron 6'22 N
my SOLSTICE PLUTO opposes his chiron exact
my SOLSTICE DNA conjuncts his chiron exact
his SOLSTICE DNA opposes my venus exact
my NATAL ATLANTIS squares his NATAL VENUS (4) and CHIRON (0)

something like that?

posted July 22, 2008 11:20 AM            

DD,
can you tell me if I did this right?
Sun Taurus 8' would be solstice point 22' Leo

posted July 22, 2008 11:29 AM              

I think this is right... i'm just playing

posted July 22, 2008 11:34 AM              

One can't find a declination for a solstice planet as it's not on the list!

posted July 22, 2008 11:45 AM              

you did it right.

Lara,

you have a Chiron-Venus-parallel. Okay.
Now you continue and see if Chiron is conjunct Venus, too, or if Chiron is maybe solstice conjunct Venus. Then and only then you have a bilevel aspect.

I will take my synastry with Jude Law as an example, as there are ridiculously many bilevel aspects.

my Sun conjunct his Mercury (5)
my Sun parallel his Mercury

my Venus conjunct his Sun (1)
my Venus parallel his Sun

my Mars conjunct his Venus (8) - def too wide
my Mars parallel his Venus with only 9 minutes of arc

my Mars conjunct his AC (4)
my Mars parlalel his AC

my Saturn oposite his Jupiter (0)
my Saturn contraparallel his Jupiter

my Saturn conjunct his SN (0)
my Saturn parlalel his SN

my Neptune conjunct his Venus (3)
my Neptune paralllel his Venus

my Neptune oposite hisSAturn (5)
my Neptune contraparallel his Saturn

my NN conjunct his Venus (3)
my NN parallel his Venus

my SN conjunct his Saturn (5)
my SN parallel his Saturn

my NN conjunct his AC 80)
my NN parallel his AC

my Vertex conjunct his SN (4)
my Vertex paralell his SN

my Vertex conjunct his Vertex (2)
my Vertex parallel his Vertex

My AC conjun ct his Venus (5)
my AC parallel his Venus

my AC conjunct his AC (2)
my AC parallel his AC

my Mars on 5° Sagittarius solstice conjunct his Antivertex on 25° Capricorn
my Mars parallel his Antivertex

my Saturn on 17° Cancer solstice opposite his Venus on 13° Sagittarius (with an orb of 0.00 )
my Saturn contraparallel his Venus

my Vertex on 21° Cancer solstice conjunct his DC on 09° Gemini
my Vertex parallel his DC#

my DC on 7 Gemini solstice conjunct his Vertex on 24 Cancer
my DC parallel his Vertex

posted July 22, 2008 11:54 AM              

1. natal: my Sun solstice conjunct my Venus
syn: his Sun conjunct my Venus

2. natal: his Sun solstice conjunct his Mercury
syn: my Sun conjunct his Mercury

3. natal: his Venus solst conj. his Jupiter
syn: my Jupiter square his Venus

4. natal: his Venus solst. conjunct his NN
syn: his Venus conjunct my NN

5. natal: my SAturn solst.conj. my SN
syn: my Saturn conjunct his SN

6. natal: his Saturn solst conj. his SN
syn: his Saturn conjunct my SN

7. my NN solstice conj. my Antivertex
syn: his NN conjunct my Antivertex

It`s like the integrated parts, which are like behind a veil (the solstice points), the shadow or subconsciousness or however you want to call it, gets emphasised and becomes very visible in the synastry. Like we literally mirror each other; not in the way that we are acting the same, but in the way that something, that has been dormant in our soul, personality (the solstice points), is awaken by synastry.

Maybe that is the secret ingredient that could explain, why I still keep on babbling about him, even though I told everybody how I do NOT like him all that much.
But I guess that is the thing with solstice points; they act from the subconsciousness, and you feel drawn to something without wanting it; but you feel drawn and attracted, because it stirs something up that is slumbering inside yourself.

posted July 22, 2008 12:05 PM              

You are looking at paralells in just the synastry without the solstice first.

posted July 22, 2008 12:17 PM            

Thanks DD, I am going to investigate bilevel aspects more. I just noticed a bilevel with NN and again AC.

You and Jude.. wow! lol

posted July 22, 2008 01:29 PM              

My sun contra his Aphrodite
My sun opposes his Aphrodite
His sun sextile my Aphrodite

My mercury parallel his Aphrodite
My mercury opposes his Aphrodite (1)
His mercury square my aphrodite

My venus parallel his Chiron
His venus opposes my chiron
His venus contra my chiron

My mars contra his Neptune
My mars opposes his Neptune

My mars parallel his psyche
His mars square my psyche

My Jupiter parallel his sun
My Jupiter conjunct his sun
His Jupiter opposes my sun

My Saturn parallel his mercury
My Saturn quincunx his mercury

My Saturn parallel his atlantis
My Saturn bi-quintile his atlantis

My Neptune contra his mars
My Neptune square his mars
His Neptune opposes my mars

My Neptune contra his Saturn
My Neptune opposes his Saturn

My Neptune parallel his Osiris
His Neptune sesquidrate my Osiris

My Pluto parallel his mars
His Pluto trine my mars

My Pluto contra his Neptune
His Pluto sextile my neptune
My pluto sextile his Neptune

My Pluto parallel his psyche
His Pluto sextile my psyche

My NN parallel his Chiron
My NN conjunct his Chiron (8)
His NN semi sextile my Chiron

My Chiron parallel his mercury
His Chiron semi sextile my mercury

My vertex parallel his Jupiter
My vertex conjunct his Jupiter

My vertex parallel his NN
My vetex trine his NN

My juno parallel his DNA
My juno sextile his DNA
His juno sextile my DNA

My juno parallel his Uranus
My juno semi sextile his uranus

My DNA parallel his mercury
My DNA opposes his mercury
His DNA trine my mercury

My DNA contra his atlantis
My DNA opposes his atlantis
His DNA trine my atlantis

My DNA parallel his isis
My DNA quincunx his isis

My karma parallel his eros
My karma sextile his eros

His AC contra my mars
My AC quintile his mars
His AC opposes my mars

His AC contra my Pluto
My AC trine his pluto
His AC sextile my Pluto

His AC parallel my Neptune
My AC opposes his neptune
His AC conjunct my neptune

posted July 22, 2008 02:18 PM              

But yes, you´re right, I stumbled across that concept on their website.

I have strong reservations to many of their "findings", but I agreed on three things with them:

1. the narrow orb, 3-4° at most - even though I sometimes suspect that the parallels may explain why sometimes wider orbs are felt. Like in the case of Jude and me: I wouldn`t call his Venus-conjunct-my Mars an aspect anymore (8° is really too wide), but the very close parallel may be effective nevertheless.

2. parallels and contraparallels

3. planetary geometry, even though I had used it before, just because it made so much sense to me.

Of all bilevel aspects I think conjunctions and parallels are the strongest.

posted July 22, 2008 02:30 PM              

It is everywhere for me - in my natal, in my synastries and Magi also say it is magical.

I am trying to continue my previous post amidst kids in the bath and my headache. be back soon x

posted July 22, 2008 09:04 PM            

My Atlantis squares his Mercury
My Atlantis conjunct his Mars
My Atlantis sesquidrate his Neptune
My Atlantis square his Node
My Atlantis semisextile his Chiron
My Atlantis semisextile his Vertex
My Atlantis square his Karma
My Atlantis square his MC
My Atlantis sextile his Isis
My Atlantis conjunct his Osiris
My Atlantis sextile his DNA
My Atlantis sextile his Valentine
My Atlantis quincunx his Eros
My Atlantis trine his Psyche
My Atlantis conjunct his Pallas
My Atlantis conjunct his Destinn

His Atlantis square my Mars
His Atlantis square my Neptune
His Atlantis square my Node
His Atlantis conjunct my Vertex
His Atlantis sextile my Atlantis
His Atlantis trine my Eros
His Atlantis square my Psyche
His Atlantis conjunct my Pallas
His Atlantis semisquare my Destinn

And I know this is a dumb question, but is a parallel a conjunction within a 1 degree orb?

posted July 23, 2008 04:25 AM              

We have two dimensions for a position in ´the zodiac: the longitudes and the declination.

The longitudinal length would be a planet on 12° Gemini for example.