posted March 30, 2008 01:12 PM         

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A dynamic is established whereby the ADD partner is constantly being criticized, reprimanded, and abused for making small mistakes which are beyond his/her control.

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posted March 30, 2008 04:27 PM         

See, Earth in action, lol.

If I lived with a water sign they would probably end up needing therapy, but I don't, which is just as well.

posted March 30, 2008 04:30 PM         

The only way l can live with an earth sign is if they are 6 foot under

posted March 30, 2008 06:49 PM         

I don't believe anything in an astrological chart contributes to anything. I don't believe in cause and effect in Astrology. I don't believe that people have certain things or a certain way because of their charts. I believe in synchronicity in Astrology. Therefore,I believe that people have certain things or a certain way that is reflected by their charts.

My maternal uncle Eddie who has a history of ADHD issues and was recommended to be medicated in childhood and speech problems has Sun-Mercury in Virgo trine Saturn in Capricorn. My maternal stepgrandmother has ADHD traits too,and she admits that she's hyperactive. She has Sun in Virgo and Moon in Taurus.

my father who had ADHD traits had Sun-Mercury in Capricorn trine Jupiter-Saturn in Taurus.

I don't believe that zodiac sign placements show much..especially when they differ if using a sidereal zodiac. That's why I lean more towards a geometric,harmonic approach to Astrology.

Also...like other neurodivergences,I don't view ADHD as a disorder.

a lot of people focus on the negatives of ADHD and other neurodivergences,and so they often overlook the positives. That's why many think that it's a disorder that needs to be fixed by both conventional and unconventional health practitioners.

some books that I have on ADHD are:

Thom Hartmann's Complete Guide to ADHD http://www.amazon.com/Thom-Hartmanns-Complete-Guide-ADHD/dp/1887424520

THE EDISON GENE by Thom Hartmann. http://www.amazon.com/Edison-Gene-ADHD-Hunter-Child/dp/0892811285

The GIFT OF DYSLEXIA by Ronald D. Davis...he talks about the ADD as the part of the whole Dyslexia spectrum that they are all mainly picture thinkers, multidimensional thinkers. http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Dyslexia-Ronald-D-Davis/dp/039952293X/ref=tag_tdp_sv_edpp_i]h ttp://www.amazon.com/Gift-Dyslexia-Ronald-D-Davis/dp/039952293X/ref=tag_tdp_sv_edpp_i]http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Dyslexia-Ronald-D-Davis/dp/039952293X/ref=tag_tdp_sv_edpp_i

Edison Gene: ADHD: Gifted & Creative by Thom Hartmann

What exactly defines those bearing this genetic makeup? Edison-gene children and adults are by nature:

* Enthusiastic
* Creative
* Disorganized
* Non-linear in their thinking (they leap to new conclusions or observations)
* Innovative
* Easily distracted (or, to put it differently, easily attracted to new stimuli)
* Capable of extraordinary hyperfocus
* Understanding of what it means to be an "outsider"
* Determined
* Eccentric
* Easily bored
* Impulsive
* Entrepreneurial
* Energetic

All of these qualities lead them to be natural:

* Explorers
* Inventors
* Discoverers
* Leaders

Those carrying this gene, however, often find themselves in environments where they're coerced, threatened, or shoehorned into a classroom or job that doesn't fit. When Edison-gene children aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered, broken, or failures, a great emotional and spiritual wounding occurs. This wounding can bring about all sorts of problems for children, for the adults they grow into, and for our society.

I and many scientists, educators, physicians, and therapists believe that when these unique children don't succeed in public schools, it's often because of a disconnect between them — their brains are wired to make them brilliant inventors and entrepreneurs — and our schools, which are set up for children whose brains are wired to make them good workers in the structured environments of a factory or office cubicle.

Those children whom we call "normal" are more methodical, careful, and detail-oriented and are less likely to take risks. They often find it hard to keep it together and perform in the rapid-fire world of the Edison-gene child: They don't do as well with video games, couldn't handle working in an emergency room or on an ambulance crew, and seldom find themselves among the ranks of entrepreneurs, explorers, and salespeople.

Similarly, Edison-gene children have their own strengths and limitations: They don't do well in the school environment of repetition, auditory learning, and rote memorization that has been set up for "normal" kids, and they don't make very good bookkeepers or managers. Genetically these kids are pioneers, explorers, and adventurers. They make great innovators, and they find high levels of success in any field where there's a lot of change, constant challenge, and lots of activity. Such personalities are common among emergency room physicians, surgeons, fighter pilots, and salespeople.

There are many areas in which such people can excel — especially when they make it through childhood with their belief in themselves intact. http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85]http:// www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85]http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85[/URL]

The Positive Aspects of AD/HD

Most descriptions of AD/HD focus on the negative aspects and neglect to mention the advantages to having AD/HD. They include:

* Creativity
* High Energy
* Intuitiveness
* Resourcefulness
* Tenacity
* Warm-heartedness
* Trusting Attitude (sometimes too much so)
* Forgiving attitude (sometimes too much so)
* Sensitivity
* Ability to take risks (sometimes too risky)
* Flexibility
* Loyalty
* Good sense of humor

Not all persons with AD/HD have all these traits, but to the extent that there is such a thing as the AD/HD personality this list of positive qualities describes the advantageous side of the AD/HD personality. It should be noted that the problems AD/HD causes can be so severe that these positive qualities never gain full expression or recognition. http://www.drhallowell.com/resources/articles/positive_aspects.html

posted March 30, 2008 06:58 PM         

Ok now i'm listening, with my sun, mercury, mars and MC in Taurus

posted March 30, 2008 07:15 PM         

If DRD4 7R gene is an advantageous gene,then why do AD/HDers need to be fixed by medication or cutting out certain foods,cutting out television/video games as well as the emphasis on toxins,pollutants? It doesn't make sense to me.

posted March 30, 2008 07:27 PM         

I am very skeptical of zodiac sign placements reflecting things of that nature....especially when they tend to be in a different zodiac sign in sidereal zodiac. That's why I lean towards a harmonic,geometrical approach.

I also believe it depends on the type of ADHD too....like the inattentive,hyperactive,combined type

another thing too......ADHD traits and Bipolar traits(high energy,distractibility,highly emotional,hypersensitive)overlap and there is significant comorbidity of ADHD and Bipolar.
A lot of people with ADHD are misdiagnosed Bipolar and vice versa. Especially many adults misdiagnosed Bipolar because of the common notion that only children have ADHD. On the other hand,many children misdiagnosed ADHD because of the common notion that children don't have bipolar.

I also feel that I should talk about overlapping traits of neurodivergents.

Disorganization,short term memory problems,problems with rote memorization overlapping symptoms of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD.

Absentmindedness is overlapping trait in Dyspraxia and AD/HD.

Dyspraxics and AD/HDers are known for having problems with routine.

A person with an auditory processing issue who needs things repeated or overwhelmed,confused by verbal language might be mistaken for having an attention deficit.

sensory integration issues can be mistaken for attention deficits. Sensory integration issues are common in neurodivergents.

posted March 31, 2008 02:11 AM         

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When Edison-gene children aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered, broken, or failures, a great emotional and spiritual wounding occurs. This wounding can bring about all sorts of problems for children, for the adults they grow into, and for our society.

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posted March 31, 2008 08:24 AM         

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Edison Gene: ADHD: Gifted & Creative by Thom Hartmann

What exactly defines those bearing this genetic makeup?
Edison-gene children and adults are by nature:

* Enthusiastic
* Creative
* Disorganized
* Non-linear in their thinking (they leap to new conclusions or observations)
* Innovative
* Easily distracted (or, to put it differently, easily attracted to new stimuli)
* Capable of extraordinary hyperfocus
* Understanding of what it means to be an "outsider"
* Determined
* Eccentric
* Easily bored
* Impulsive
* Entrepreneurial
* Energetic

All of these qualities lead them to be natural:

* Explorers
* Inventors
* Discoverers
* Leaders

Those carrying this gene, however, often find themselves in environments where they're coerced, threatened, or shoehorned into a classroom or job that doesn't fit. When Edison-gene children aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered, broken, or failures, a great emotional and spiritual wounding occurs. This wounding can bring about all sorts of problems for children, for the adults they grow into, and for our society.

I and many scientists, educators, physicians, and therapists believe that when these unique children don't succeed in public schools, it's often because of a disconnect between them — their brains are wired to make them brilliant inventors and entrepreneurs — and our schools, which are set up for children whose brains are wired to make them good workers in the structured environments of a factory or office cubicle.

Those children whom we call "normal" are more methodical, careful, and detail-oriented and are less likely to take risks...

Edison-gene children have their own strengths and limitations: They don't do well in the school environment of repetition, auditory learning, and rote memorization that has been set up for "normal" kids, and they don't make very good bookkeepers or managers. Genetically these kids are pioneers, explorers, and adventurers...

There are many areas in which such people can excel — especially when they make it through childhood with their belief in themselves intact.
http://]http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85 ]http:// http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85]w ww.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85]http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85[/URL][/URL]

The Positive Aspects of AD/HD

Most descriptions of AD/HD focus on the negative aspects and neglect to mention the advantages to having AD/HD. They include:

* Creativity
* High Energy
* Intuitiveness
* Resourcefulness
* Tenacity
* Warm-heartedness
* Trusting Attitude (sometimes too much so)
* Forgiving attitude (sometimes too much so)
* Sensitivity
* Ability to take risks (sometimes too risky)
* Flexibility
* Loyalty
* Good sense of humor

Not all persons with AD/HD have all these traits, but to the extent that there is such a thing as the AD/HD personality this list of positive qualities describes the advantageous side of the AD/HD personality. It should be noted that the problems AD/HD causes can be so severe that these positive qualities never gain full expression or recognition. http://www.drhallowell.com/resources/articles/positive_aspects.html

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posted March 31, 2008 04:30 PM         

It was already explained with the Edison gene traits.

ADHD: Gifted & Creative by Thom Hartmann

I was in India in 1993 to help manage a community for orphans and blind children on behalf of a German charity. During the monsoon season, the week of the big Hyderabad earthquake, I took an all-day train ride almost all the way across the subcontinent (from Bombay through Hyderabad to Rajamundri) to visit an obscure town near the Bay of Bengal. In the train compartment with me were several Indian businessmen and a physician, and we had plenty of time to talk as the countryside flew by from sunrise to sunset.

Curious about how they viewed our children diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), I asked, "Are you familiar with those types of people who seem to crave stimulation, yet have a hard time staying with any one focus for a period of time? They may hop from career to career and sometimes even from relationship to relationship, never seeming to settle into one job or into a life with one person — but the whole time they remain incredibly creative and inventive."

"Ah, we know this type well," one of the men said, the other three nodding in agreement.

"What do you call this personality type?" I asked.

"Very holy," he said. "These are old souls, near the end of their karmic cycle."

Again, the other three nodded agreement, perhaps a bit more vigorously in response to my startled look.

"Old souls?" I questioned, thinking that a very odd description for those whom American psychiatrists have diagnosed as having a particular disorder.

"Yes," the physician said. "In our religion, we believe that the purpose of reincarnation is to eventually free oneself from worldly entanglement and desire. In each lifetime we experience certain lessons, until finally we are free of this earth and can merge into the oneness of God. When a soul is very close to the end of those thousands of incarnations, he must take a few lifetimes to do many, many things — to clean up the little threads left over from his previous lives."

"This is a man very close to becoming enlightened," a businessman added. "We have great respect for such individuals, although their lives may be difficult."

Another businessman raised a finger and interjected. "But it is through the difficulties of such lives that the soul is purified."

The others nodded agreement.

"In America they consider this behavior indicative of a psychiatric disorder," I said.

All three looked startled, then laughed.

"In America you consider our most holy men, our yogis and swamis, to be crazy people as well," said the physician with a touch of sadness in his voice. "So it is with different cultures. We live in different worlds."

We in our Western world have such "holy" and nearly enlightened people among us and we say they must be mad. But as we're about to see, they may instead be our most creative individuals, our most extraordinary thinkers, our most brilliant inventors and pioneers. The children among us whom our teachers and psychiatrists say are "disordered" may, in fact, carry a set of abilities — a skill set — that was necessary for the survival of humanity in the past, that has created much of what we treasure in our present "quality of life," and that will be critical to the survival of the human race in the future.

There is immense power in how we choose to view what's happening around us, and this is terrifically important when we consider how we can best know our children and provide them with the upbringing they need — an upbringing that will lead them to become healthy, happy, functioning adults. The premise of this book is that children who have what we have come to know as ADHD are important and vital gifts to our society and culture, and, in the largest sense, can be an extraordinary gift to the world. In addition, for those adults who have been similarly diagnosed or defined, this book offers a new way of understanding themselves and their relationship to the world — a way that brings insight, empowerment, and success.

GENETICS AND DIFFERENCES

The long history of the human race has conferred on us — some of us more than others — a set of predilections, temperaments, and abilities carried through the medium of our genetic makeup. These skills were ideally suited to life in the ever-changing world of our ancient ancestors and, we have now discovered, are also ideally suited to the quickly-changing modern world of cyberspace and widespread ecological and political crises that require rapid response. I will call this genetic gift the Edison gene, after Thomas Edison, who brought us electric lights and phonographs and movies and — literally ten thousand other inventions. He is the model for the sort of impact a well-nurtured child carrying this gene can have on the world.

While I'm principally referring to the DRD4 gene, the science of genetics is embryonic, with new discoveries being made every day. No doubt, some time soon we'll have a better, more complete list of specific genes that make up what Dave deBronkart first called the "Edison trait" back in 1992 and Lucy Jo Palladino expanded on considerably in 1997 in her wonderful book The Edison Trait. For the moment, however, I'll use the useful shorthand of the "Edison gene."

When Edison's schoolteacher threw him out of school in the third grade for being inattentive, fidgety, and "slow," his mother, Nancy Edison, the well-educated daughter of a Presbyterian minister, was deeply offended by the schoolmaster's characterization of her son. As a result, she pulled him out of the school. She became his teacher from then until the day he went off on his own to work for the railroads (inventing, in his first months of employment, a railroad timing and signaling device that was used for nearly a century). She believed in him and wasn't going to let the school thrash out of him his own belief in himself. As a result of that one mother's efforts, the world is a very different place.

"Ah, but we mustn't coddle these children!" some say. Consider this: Edison invented, at age sixteen, that device that revolutionized telegraph communication. It started him on a lifelong career of invention that led to the light bulb, the microphone, the motion picture, and the electrification of our cities. Would the world have been better off if he'd been disciplined into "behaving himself"?

The children and adults who carry this gene have and offer multiple gifts, both individually and as members of our society. Sometimes these gifts are unrecognized, misinterpreted, or even punished, and as a result, these exceptional children end up vilified, drugged, or shunted into Special Education. The result is that they often become reactive: sullen, angry, defiant, oppositional, and, in extreme cases, suicidal. Some Edison-gene adults face the same issues, carrying the wounds of school with them into adulthood, often finding themselves in jobs better adapted to stability than creativity.

You can check out his site to know more about it. http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85

I have his book,THE EDISON GENE http://www.amazon.com/Edison-Gene-ADHD-Hunter-Child/dp/0892811285

The Science behind it is here
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/01/020109074512.htm
http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/3rdQtr_2002/record0008.html
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2002-06/your-caveman-gramps-had-ants-his-pants
http://www.healthcare.uci.edu/News/Releases/ADHD-advantageousGene.htm

posted April 01, 2008 05:25 AM         

Fire: electric
Water: magnetic
Air: neutral
Earth: electromagnetic

posted April 01, 2008 09:03 AM         

I reiterate many ADHDers differ from each other.

I strongly doubt that strong Earth nor lack of Earth has anything to do with ADHDers and other neurodivergents. I don't think ADHD and other neurodivergences are things that people suffer from ....unless they are very misunderstood,mistreated for not fitting so-called norms. I believe that neurodivergents with awareness,understanding,early intervention,good support will not suffer from their neurodivergences and grow up well-adjusted and be successful in life and can even use their gifts to help mankind.