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mblover
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posted April 05, 2008 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have discussed about Virgo's ruler yet to be discovered. I have been confused about 15 Virgos I have come in contact with and all of them are 'self criticising' regarding their Past Relationship. I have been shocked to learn all of them have hopes that their Ex will return in Life. None of them have found their new love yet.

But, How do you guide Virgos so that they feel better and do not worry about their Ex?? I have been disappointed with their choices too!! They have high hopes for Aquarius, Gemini, and Sag to return in their lives!!

Any insight on how to help Virgo to overcome their Ex related thnking would be helpful.

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posted April 05, 2008 10:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm a virgo that never looks back and i thought that most virg's were like that. once they are done with a relationship they can cut the ties with such unemotional prescision that people find them cold and uncaring. i've been married three times and divorced twice and i never talk to my ex's even the one i had children with. i don't have time for the past, i'm done. been there done it and don't want the t-shirt, if you weren't the one for me...you were gone.

i'm wondering how these people broke up...was it them who broke off the relationship or their significant other, because that could make the difference in how they feel after the fact.

if the virg was the one to break off the relationship than easier to move on...but if other broke it off with virg...i can see how a virg would have a hard time forgetting especially with an aquarius theres something extremely passionate and hot about a aqua and virg relationship very difficult to get over. i'm in an aqua virg relationship and i cannot get away, i'm entranced.

my advice, find out who broke up with who...my assumption is now these people are just too picky to find an other love or they cannot let go of a relationship that they thought they could "fix" the person and that person left them. unfinished business for a virg is kryptonite.

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posted April 05, 2008 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I look back, but I NEVER go back. I am always the one doing the breaking up.

But there was a guy who rejected me about 6 years ago. I want him to return... so that I can tell him to sod off. I think he is coming back. poor thing.

mblover - most Virgos take rejection personally. Fortunately I come from a sales background, which told me that it's not about me... it's about the "man's" needs that can't be fulfilled, which is very different from, " I can't fulfill his needs"... yes, you can't but you and how many other women?. Lots others.

Most Virgos will go on asking, "Why didn't you love me? blah blah blan... I used to be that Virgo. Then I grew up.

The one's that have stayed in my heart somehow are:

(I don't have their dates of birth to show a chart but..)

Idiot 1 had: Sun Virgo/Moon Leo and Virgo Saturn.

So. His Sun is probably conjunct my Saturn (no chart so no degrees to clarify) and that is a binding aspect. Also, his Saturn is probably conjunct my Virgo Venus, and basically, My Moon is Sextile the Saturn, my Mars, Jupiter, and ASC too.

Idiot 2 had: Cap Sun/ Cap Moon/ Leo Saturn
He is crawling back but this one, I don't want anywhere near me.

and all I know is that Idiot 3 is a Cancer Sun.

So, all these guys aspect my chart quite a bit. So, look at those aspects that indicate endurance in love and maybe that's why they can't let go.

For me it's just getting my last laugh. it's immature, but.. Oh Well.

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Natural111
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posted April 05, 2008 05:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MBlover, it's a process...


It's hard for us to let things go if we aren't convinced it was a reasonable end. I just let this Scorp go after I traveled to cold, un-diverse, did I say cold--Idaho to only have him be inflicted with the wandering eye right there in front of me--Venus in Leo--I've been in "relations" with him for like 4 years! It took that one trip to let me finally get it...I mean, he takes a soprano intonation when he talks to dogs! Like, Dude! Anyway...And then, as we're driving this car in front of us is swerving--he says the guy is drink--me, with my semi dirty mind, says he's getting a---...Then he says, no, he can drive when that's happening--when **** did it to me! It was that all day everyday....And then I finally got it! He isn't doing anything new, I'm just now hearing it. I loved the emotional distance this talk caused. But since, I was only there for a weekend rendezvous, I need it to be totally about me. I mean, I called him by the name of the Cancer I like....Anyway--when I saw it, I was through. This guy is not for me, not even for vacation *****!

We're not as cut and dry as a lot of other signs when it comes to investing our feelings into something. Once we invest, it has to rationally make sense to let it go. And usually over time, a lot of thought, we can find our way to that rationality.

So, once these Virgo women can reasonably conclude he's not for her, he's out of her head--peace.

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mblover
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posted April 05, 2008 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All three responses are very helpful... I will respond with more details... I am awaiting more responses...

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posted April 06, 2008 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...

I have to agree with most of these Virgos above... Once I'm done with someone, I'm done. That's it, game over. I don't put up with crap, and I don't think that most Virgos do. It might take some intense thought and emotional venting to get to that point though, depending on the circumstance.

HOWEVER, that being said, Virgos are really hard on themselves (myself included), and we seem to think that everyone else can see every little flaw like we can, so when we feel rejected, we start going over all those little flaws trying to figure out what it was that we did wrong or what part of us was wrong for that person.

Also, many Virgos are planners, and not only that, but they're also perfectionists or idealists. I've known many other female Virgos especially that have planned out every little detail of their life from birth to death (you think I'm kidding). They will be married by this age, kids by this age, etc. Their perfect spouse will be this height, this weight, make this amount of money, etc. The wedding will be this long, with this many people... It gets tiring to say the least. I think I'm lucky because I have a lot of fire in my chart, so I lean towards the spontaneous instead of the obsessive planning.

A lot of people do this of course, but Virgos are more serious about it. It becomes a problem when they find a person and this person is "THE" person, and come hell or high water, this person will be with them forever... Until the other person feels smothered or feels like he/she has too many ideals pushed on him, or whatever the problem is and they start distancing themselves or they outright reject the Virgo.

Virgos DO get attached, but honestly, I think they get more attached to being in a relationship itself than the actual person, ESPECIALLY if the person is the Virgo's vision of what their mate "should" be. Virgos are very good at putting the relationship itself over the person involved. It's the relationship that's idealized, not necessarily the person (since Virgos are very good at seeing flaws).

Plus, if they do have an itinerary for life, and their planned marriage date is soon approaching, Virgos can trick themselves into thinking this one particular person is the one for them. Oddly, though we are good at seeing through crap, it's been my experience (with myself and other Virgos) that we'll start overlooking flaws and things we should see because we want things to work. In fact, I think many Virgos overcompensate on the overlooking flaws of those we love because we all ARE so critical. So, if a Virgo gets rejected or even if they dump someone for some other usually practical reason, they often still carry this idealism of the person over, and if they don't really go over the reasons why this person isn't in their lives anymore OR if they attribute the cause to themselves and their own flaws (due to insecurity) they won't really get over the person. Because, as we all know, this person was "perfect" for them, even if they really weren't. It's all a matter of perception.

I think the best thing to do with a Virgo in that case, is, as a friend, sit down with them and lay it all out the facts for them so they can make that clean, unemotional break. These are the reasons you guys aren't together, you had a part in it, but so did the other person, etc etc. Virgos *usually* respond well to reason. Bolster their ego a bit, because Virgo's insecurity is a major hurdle in this as well.

Those are just my thoughts... In any case, I hope that helped. Sorry it's kind of wordy.

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posted April 06, 2008 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice and thought provoking details 'enchantress299'. Thank you. I am awaiting more responses.

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posted April 06, 2008 07:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew I had to click on this because I'm one of those Virgos you speak of! I had a relationship with a Gemini man that ended 7 years ago and it's as you describe.

I never stop thinking about him, if I'm honest I do want him back though I have yet to put my finger on why, and I am always self criticizing.

Someone said that unfinished business is kryptonite to Virgos and that is definitely true for me. I am so able to be the 'ice queen' and cut things off clean if I know where things stand. What I mean is that with a cut and dry relationship no matter how good or bad I can take the end result and all that happened during and tie it up nicely and put it away. Case closed.

When things are not clearly defined or easy for me to categorize I am restless and try to reach those conclusions on my own through incessant over analysing. I'm ok to say that was a good relationship but failed because of x,y, and z reason. Or that was a bad relationship and good riddance it's over.

BUT when it's not so easy or I have things left unsaid, unclear, etc. I have to keep re-hashing until I can square things away in my own mind. Because often we don't get to sit and do this with our ex it's always difficult to put a closure on things if you are just dealing with your own thoughts. I almost wish I could sit this ex down and ask a list of questions knowing I would get an honest answer so I could move on and stop beating myself up over certain things.

I'll put it this way. When I play a video game and advance to the next level without having done everything in the previous one it bugs me. I will go through and do everything even if points aren't earned just so I know I did cross every t and dot every i. I have people saying 'There is nothing behind that door...' or whatever but I can't leave a room without opening every hatch, picking up each pack, etc. (in video games not real life!)

With relationships I like to examine each thing and say ok I can cross this item off my list as I know it was not my fault, out of my control, I couldn't have changed anything, etc. If there is doubt then I will forever obsess in the 'what if...' and the 'I never said/did/explained...'

I'm ok with a relationship ending but not with one failing if that makes sense. They run their course, that's how it goes. But if I feel it wasn't so much that a natural conclusion occured or we were not right but rather it was not executed 'right' then it eats me up and sadly there is no way to time travel and fix our past.

Oh and someone said something about Virgos dealing with the relationship more than the person (I'm paraphrasing terribly) and I do that. The person is sometimes irrelivant because I'm basically living in my own world of what my ideal is and what the perfect man/relationship is and trying to craft that out of us rather than seeing what is there.

Wow, how's that for a ramble! sorry just got carried away. . .

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posted April 06, 2008 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
vmulberry, Amazing information. It has helped me understand tremendously and mythological view of Virgo's Virginity is seen your thinking. (e.g. It's not the person that matters, it's the technical view of relationship itself)

I am awaiting more responses. This is a HOT topic because it is important for people to understand how to break-up relationships with Virgo.

Any more responses? I am awaiting.

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posted April 07, 2008 12:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ignore my ignorance, but my perception of Virgos is that after a relationship ends, they are COMPLETELY and utterly over it, in terms of wanting that person back.

Is this general or does other factors contribute?

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i am also one of those virgos that can leave a relationship without any reservations, but like i said earlier and many after me it really depends on how relationship ended. that is the key. the reason i think, with the two serious relationships i was in that ended, i don't look back is i gave to these two men everything i was at that time and age and never got anything back. swept myself into a lonely corner of subservatude and the only way to escape is to brush my ass off and move on. you see we virgo martyrs can give and give (i've said before we can out geisha a geisha) till the cows come home but if after years of no recepication we leave because we knew we did all we could, even left our true self somewhere behind many years ago. i finally found someone that i can be me, i can give and get back and passion isn't a bad word. i did find my soul mate, but i learned through the years what to do, and what not to do...basically learning to pick my battles. i think virgos have a hard and difficult time with that one. we feel we can do and solve everything, and that is not the case. not everything needs to be analyzed 10 fold, not everything needs to be fought, and not everything is cut and dry, black or white, or just right and just wrong.

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posted January 22, 2014 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for davysong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love that topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I am a woman.
I am not sun virgo,but moon virgo,and I can relate to so many things you guys are saying,even less deep than that.
I have venus,mercury and pluto in scorpio,and recently few months ago went through a bad breakup.Actually,he was a gemini but with a chart full of earth signs,while mine is quite balanced: 4 water signs, 3 fire signs, 3 air signs and 2 earth.His chart is only about 2 air signs, 2 water signs, 1 fire signs and the rest is earth.
Initially thought it was going to workout since water and earth do well together,then found out no.I hold on to it for a while even after he broke up with me through the phone.
I completely agree with the others,once we are done,it is over for good!!!! 2 weeks after the break up,he texted me and called me to tell me that he lost his father,and blew him away.At that time,he was already half dead to me.2 days later,he recontacted me,I sent him a long mail that closed everything and didn't read anything that he sent after mine.He was OFFICIALLY and COMPLETELY DEAD to me.Beginning of January,he gave it another try.Usually,we would fight,but I was so succinct with him that it even surprised me.Politely,I blew him away.His last words were: "Have a blessed day,I won't disturb you anymore and I will always be at peace with you even if you called me names,blablabla"
It's over! I do think about him once in a while,sex was amaziiiiiiing,but once he showed me his bad side,I was completely out.By January,I met someone else,who's closer to my ethics than that a****. He's dead or alive,none of my business.With all that water and fire in my chart,my passions usually show up.It's either way black or white with me,all or nothing.I put my heart and head into something and I invest into it,but once I take it back,it's done and gone.That's why,so far,I never went back to any exes I've had in my life (lol only 3 plus the last one 4) I also have sagittarius and aries in my chart,we move forward,never back and forth!
He is the type to go back to his exes,well,somewhere,it must be endearing to him that there's one who is willing to give up the good sex than put up with his nonsense ******** (he's a power control freak,and I know I took it back from him!)
Once I'm done,you are completely dead to me.If I see you in the streets,I might be polite to nod my head if our eyes cross,or just say hi,but that warm that I used to give you in the relationship is completely gone.Then if no choice then have each other in each other face,I'll be polite,small talk,cold,evasive,aloof and look at you like you are transparent,at that time,don't bring anything that happened in the past when we were together,50% to 90% of the memories are completely deleted.You had me,messed up with me,I'm done,I'm gone!!

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posted January 31, 2014 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DrewMann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh thats simple, easy come easy go

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Jo B
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posted February 06, 2014 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jo B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo here. When I end a relationship, I guess I can be a litte abrupt, often leaving them confused, hurt and flummoxed. But I don't look back and think "oh maybe I made a mistake". Once it's over it's over. When I've been dumped myself, I go through a period of obsessing over it, because I think above all Virgos like "closure", and men by nature don't feel the need to give that, they just move on. Interesting it's usually the men who ended "affairs" with me and I was the one who ended long term relationships. I don't know why that is. It's a nice feeling when you're over the guy who dumped you who you obsessed about for a bit afterwards. Suddenly they'll contact you again six months later and you're like "um, sorry what's your name again?" Cold but satisfying! lol

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posted February 11, 2014 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is it then when the mistake leading to the break-up (like lying or cheating) was done by the Virgo?
Or when the Virgo did the breaking-up then regretted it but too late?
How easy, or difficult, is that to put behind?

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posted February 11, 2014 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jo B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dadoo:
How is it then when the mistake leading to the break-up (like lying or cheating) was done by the Virgo?
Or when the Virgo did the breaking-up then regretted it but too late?
How easy, or difficult, is that to put behind?

In my experience when I've ended it, I wasn't the one who made the so-called "mistake".

I have sometimes ended something if I don't feel I'm getting back the same level of feeling. It's a bit heartwrenching at first because you do miss the platonic and fun part of the relationship too, but to me it's not worth torturing yourself over a something when neither of you are on the same page (ie you want more from the relationship and they don't). Who REALLY wants that kind of prolonged heartache?

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posted February 25, 2014 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted March 05, 2014 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarnfeist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow.

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posted March 23, 2014 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Virgo friend always obsesses over his ex.

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posted March 23, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I obsess over my ex he's a cancer.

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posted March 24, 2014 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ex obsesses over me, I'm a Pisces.
I wish I could get a sense of revenge out of it but I don't.
It's just plain sad.

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