posted April 06, 2008 04:14 PM         

I see everything pointing to Saturn
arrrrrggggggghhhhh!!!!!!

posted April 06, 2008 04:35 PM         

I don't understand why astro.com has such a huge orb on things. I was going to say something about the Mars opp Saturn, but it's really not opposing it because it's got a freaking 10 degree orb.

Saturn is definitely the focal point of the chart. I would think Saturn in Gemini in the 3rd would indicate huge problems with miscommunication (although, maybe the heavy influence of air might help). It could also potentially mean, since there is a preponderance of air, that this person is logical and rational to the EXTREME, to the point where he is good at expressing concepts, but terrible at understanding and expressing his own feelings.

On top of that, the Saturn is exactly squaring the AC/DC so I think it just reinforces the fact that this person has problems expressing himself to others. He may even have problems really knowing who he is and what he wants. Challenges expressing the inner self vs the outer person he needs/wants/or feels like he has to be.

Anyway, those are just the things that jumped out at me when I looked at it. I was going to say something about the air grand trine, but again, the orb is ridiculously huge.

posted April 06, 2008 04:56 PM         

• Not good with youthful expression and folly (correction: too serious)
  
• Cerebral personality - no water (What about Pisces rising?)
  
• Possibly flaky
  
• Huge problem with miscommunication (I'm not sure I agree with this opinion as Saturn merely disciplines the communication. It doesn't necessarily hinder clear communication.)
  
• Logical and rational to the EXTREME
  
• Good at expressing concepts
  
• Bad at understanding and expressing feelings
  
• Self-expression is at odds with Saturn
  
• May have trouble knowing who he is and what he wants (reinforced by Pisces Rising probably)
  

posted April 06, 2008 05:08 PM         

Not good with Self Expression and being OF youthful Folly.. in other words, he is way TOO serious!!!!

Actually now i'm not that impressed by that cluster of Cap/Aqua planets cos they are not really that close in orbs

posted April 06, 2008 05:09 PM         

Lightens him up a bit, and allows him to at least smile

posted April 06, 2008 05:20 PM         

Interesting too that sun is in Aquarius... l guess that keeps saturn on it's toes a bit with eccentricity and at the same time Saturn calms Aquarius's electrical impulses.

At least Saturn is in a communicative sign too... better than if it were in Taurus, for example.

posted April 06, 2008 05:31 PM         

I would think Saturn could ground Aquarius a bit more grounded. Here's an interp for Sun trine Saturn:

The trine helps to reconcile these two planetary energies more successfully, and there is less evidence of any underlying Saturnian tendency to restrict and limit. The positive qualities and abilities of Sun-Saturn contacts are present; responsibility, self-discipline, practicality, patience, organisation, reliability, concentration, determination, persistence and honesty. These can all be used to further your ambitions, although you may need to be wary of innate Saturn tendencies towards caution which may prevent you taking advantage of all opportunities.

Determining your solar purpose and tapping into that power will be most important in applying these energies and qualities, and gaining insight into your life direction may be a necessary first step to achieve before this trine can be used positively. As you can move through life smoothly without facing obstructive challenges, you may not always feel the need to draw upon your full potential. You are attracted towards having a 'comfortable life', and with your self-confidence and creativity expect that this will naturally come to pass. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/sun-trine-saturn.php

posted April 06, 2008 05:31 PM         

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Huge problem with miscommunication (I'm not sure I agree with this opinion as Saturn merely disciplines the communication. It doesn't necessarily hinder clear communication.)

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Yeah... I think you're right. I regretted it almost as soon as I posted it. Miscommunication is not right (that'd have more to do with Merc), but definitely a disciplined communication that probably comes through as extremely logical and rational. This person would be the type to think before they speak.

posted April 06, 2008 05:54 PM         

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Does he teach, or is he involved in, artistic/creative pursuits??

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This may be a good point to reveal:

This is my MC persona chart.

posted April 06, 2008 05:59 PM         

My MC's chart ruler being Neptune may be a clue. It's opposition to the Saturn singleton hogging the spotlight is interesting.

posted April 06, 2008 06:01 PM         

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No one's really mentioned his Sun up to this point. Perhaps because we all know the typical Sun sign meaning. It would be nice to know the interaction between the Sun and the rest of the chart.

I would think Saturn could ground Aquarius a bit more grounded.

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You're right. Saturn would ground an Aquarius, and probably accentuate the logical side of his nature. He might come across as colder and more distant, although because his sun is in Aqua he's going to be good at being buddy buddy with everyone. Also, his Sun is in the 12th. He might be able to tap into group think a lot easier than others, and so be captivating to groups of people, and since Aquas are extremely charming anyway, he probably can be extremely persuasive. He's going to be more likely to hold back his feelings or not be aware of his feelings though because he'll be functioning on a more subconscious intuitive level. However, because the 12th is also the Piscean house, he may have some very high ideals, spiritually and otherwise and he could possibly come across as a genus or guru type when he does speak.

I think the main point is this, he takes himself, his true personality back from the people he speaks with. He has the power to persuade and project a certain image that appeals to those he is speaking to, but it's not necessarily the "true" him. This would be reinforced with the Saturn in the 3rd square AC/DC. It's not a false image either that he presents, it's just what others expect or need from him that he projects. I would imagine this person to be some sort of authority: teacher, professor, preacher, scientist, etc. Anyone who can tap into a group of people using a very disciplined rational sort of logic that is somehow intuitive to the needs of the people in front of him.

I wonder... The only aspects he has to his sun are the trine of Saturn and the conjunction of Venus. Some would say that the conjunction is a negative aspect, but I honestly think it's more of a neutral aspect. If we look at it like that, he's got no hard aspects to his sun. He might have difficulties when he does have hard transiting aspects to his sun. I personally don't have any hard aspects to my moon natally (aside from a very loose 8' opposition from Merc), and whenever Saturn or Pluto or Mars transits with a hard aspect to my Moon, I seem to have a really hard time with it, moreso than if those same planets transit with a hard aspect to my Sun or my other planets.

Anyway, I don't know how accurate all that is, but it's just conjecture on my part anyway. That's just what I see from the sun positioning.

posted April 06, 2008 06:05 PM         

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This may be a good point to reveal:

This is my MC persona chart.

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Ah. You posted that before I posted what I was saying. So yeah... Like I said you'd probably do well with working with a group of people who you could potentially intuitively tap into their wants and needs. Being an authority figure such as a teacher, professor, researcher, scientist, preacher, etc would work well, according to this chart.

How do you make an MC persona chart? What's it based off of? I want to make one!!!

posted April 06, 2008 06:13 PM         

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The only aspects he has to his sun are the trine of Saturn and the conjunction of Venus.

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Actually, it's Mercury.

And with regard to being an authority figure, the natal interp claims that the 12th house influence makes for more of a behind the scenes person. Could be an authority due to the powers of concentration afforded through the Mercury trine Saturn. The issue of being having a public face or a private face is interesting, though.

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How do you make an MC persona chart?

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posted April 06, 2008 06:22 PM         

You're right about 12th being a behind the scenes person, but I was thinking more about the Sun in Aqua in conjunction with the 12th. In my experience, people with Sun in Aqua tend to like working with lots of people, and the 12th adds a good rapport with what those people subconsciously or intuitively need. It may not be your "real" persona that you're sharing with those people. That's where the behind the scenes part comes in. It's not that it would make you "fake" it's more that you can project the image that a person or group of people needs, but it's probably not the image of who you think that you are as a person. I was thinking along those lines...

Although, I guess you could still work with and for groups of people behind the scenes as well, maybe working in or for charities or something. And, as we all know, the "traditional" definition of the 12th house includes that you might be good at working in institutionalized facilities, such as prisons or mental health facilities.

Thanks for posting how to get a MC persona chart! I'll have to check it out!