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Topic: A Definitive Answer - Please Please Help!
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amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 20, 2008 02:01 PM
Okay. I am really going crazy over this guy. We met at a party back in December and he started Facebook messaging me. At first I was just ambivalent towards him, but over the past few months I've really grown to like him. However, he does not want to be in an official relationship with me, yet he has agreed to be basically monogamous... Back in February I found a hickey on his neck that was not from me. I was surprised and upset about it. I asked him exactly what he did and he said "Nothing like we do." I assumed he meant he didn't have sex (which I found out later that he DID). Anyway, that's when we agreed to be basically monogamous. But then in March he had another hickey. This time he said he was extremely drunk and that it didn't mean anything (the first one was "more serious" [his words] because he wanted to "see if he was still free"). Now I never know if he actually likes me, or if he spends time with me just because it's nice to have someone around. My friends (who don't like him very much) think it's because it's free sex, pretty much, but we don't really have sex a lot of the time. Maybe twice a week. We definitely don't do it every time we see each other. SO WHAT IS HIS DEAL?Basically I want to stick it out and hope that sometime in the near future he'll WANT to make it official. Is this in the cards? Also, what do you see in the composite charts/synastry? Are they mainly good or mainly bad? HALP Midpoint Composite: Davison: Synastry: IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted April 20, 2008 02:16 PM
Setting astrology aside, this doesn`t sound good; to be honest, as you described him, he sounds quite like a player. He was kinda honest about it (not wanting a real relationship with you), but that doesn`t make it better or easier for you. I think it`s up to you to make a decision. IMO you deserve much more than being treated like a nice "waste of time". Of course you must decide for yourself, but if I was you, I`d confront him with your needs and wishes; it`s not only about him, you need to feel good, too. I mean, if you´re both okay with having this kind of open relationship, then it`s alright, I think. But according to what you wrote, you are NOT happy with this situation. And I actually want to tell you: Don`t let him use you like he does. He undermines your feeling of selfvalue this way. (I guess, or you are completely different than me; but this behaviour would really make me question myself in the long run).Comparing your relationship-charts I noticed a Venus-Neptune-pattern. Venus and Neptune are conjunct in Davison and Composite, and in the synastry there seems to be a Venus-Neptune-square. It could mean that there is the possibility of illusions, deception, disappointment, unrealistic expectations and clouded judgement under a cover of sweet romanticism. (Venus-Neptune can be gentle and compassionate and a true soulmate-aspect imo, but I don`t like the square). His Uranus conjunct your Mars can also be very unstable, unpredictable and unreliable, despite of some kind of erotic electricity. There are good aspects, too, of course. But actually I would leave astrology out of this and ask yourself if you are really willing to let him treat you like that. DD IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 20, 2008 02:33 PM
he sounds sneaky... i would just dsregard the chart and look at whether you feel he is worthy of your time and love, considering the disrespectful way he treats.Nice aspects although l don't like his neptune in your 7th nor the saturn/mars/uranus loose conjunct. PLUS i really don't like his mars in your 4th.... backed up by his sun :O IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 20, 2008 03:25 PM
Yeah, I know I should probably break it off, but I like him too much. :[ I'm looking for purely astrological advice.IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Knowflake Posts: 994 From: New York, NY Registered: Sep 2007
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posted April 20, 2008 05:18 PM
You really don't need astrology to tell you what to do here, but since you asked I'll tell you about the big bad voodoo daddy aspect that is telling the story here.His Neptune squares your Sun BOOM!!! That measurement suggests that HE IS DECEIVING YOU!!! You're feeling idealistic about him, which doesn't make him ideal. You are a naive 20 year old woman, and it's not a bad thing to be unless it is putting your health at risk and your life in danger. He's a college age young man, that's what they do, he's supposed to be free and experimenting at this point in his life, so he's deluding himself also by trying to commit when he's not ready. College age men are supposed get drunk and party and find women to have sex with. They do it now so they get it out of their system before it's time to settle down for the rest of their lives. (That's my opinion) He is not ready to settle down by any means. Even if you are using condoms with this guy, if he's sleeping with other women, he's putting you at risk for HERPES and the very least, CRABS! I'm very sorry that you are learning about this the hard way, but he is not going to stop this behavior, mainly because you keep taking him back. And I understand that it's not easy to let him go, if it was easy, no one would ever find themselves in this situation. Please learn this lesson the easy way before he gives you some horrible disease. It's always the nice people who are giving these STD's and getting them. The bad guys know how to protect themselves. I'm really sorry sweetie, this guy is bad news for you. Geocosmic Valentine Professional Astrologer geocosmicvalentine@yahoo.com . www.myspace.com/geocosmicvalentine ------------------ "Everybody is a star!" Sly & The Family Stone IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 20, 2008 05:38 PM
Well done Geocosmic Valentine for telling it as it is. That neptune in 7th house really is a DOOM aspect, l agree.IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 20, 2008 05:46 PM
My Neptune is already in my 7th house and everyone other person that is around my age is going to have their Neptune in my 7th house. I have only ever dated people that are around my age. This has not been the common theme in my relationships. So what gives with this one?And I think you mean MY Neptune squares HIS Sun. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 20, 2008 05:47 PM
because its SQUARE to her SUN..it's the aspect not the placement! IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Knowflake Posts: 994 From: New York, NY Registered: Sep 2007
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posted April 20, 2008 05:50 PM
I made a mistake here, but it's still just as bad. His Neptune doesn't square your Sun, it's too wide. But his Neptune squares your Venus which is worse because it applies directly to love and relationships for you. He's handing you a pair of the most beautiful rose colored glasses. Neptune is vision so when it's a stressful aspect, it can blind us, make things confused, blurry, like a veil or mist or fog. A lot like vaseline on the lense of a camera which is a trick they used to use in Hollywood to make actors look younger.Unfortunately it mesmerizes you as well, it's almost like he puts you in a kind of lovely trance. There's a lot of electric sexual energy between you, but the flip side of that is lots of anger. You have double whammy Uranus-Mars aspects creating that. The feelings of love are real, I think it is for him also, but he's JUST NOT READY, even if he wants to be, he's not. IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 20, 2008 05:55 PM
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 699 From: Bay Area, California, USA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted April 21, 2008 12:47 AM
Amwols, do you really want astrology to tell you that, in spite of the fact that on 2 occasions this man has shown he cannot be trusted with his affections, that somehow, somewhere, there may be something in your charts that will negate this glaring fact?IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 02:13 AM
In my view, this is a wonderful match - intellectually and emotionally. At such a young age, if you are expecting an Aquarius to be like Traditional Capricorns or Cancers, then sorry they are not. They are still getting familiar with Inner Saturn and Inner Uranus.But also when this Genuius will make that stubborn decision to be with you, the he will stick to it. I do feel somewhat concerned that both are less then 22 years old. I mean, as a Libra you would always love to see commitment and eventually marriage, but this Genius hasn't even had his Saturn return which is due after 8 years. Keep the friendship Alive for now if thigns dont work out, because this Genius will be missed and may be available after five to seven years if you are still looking. ============ Libra's response - Because of these reasons I disagree with you. Because of those reasons I agree with you. :-)
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venusdeindia Knowflake Posts: 1630 From: mumbai,india Registered: Nov 2006
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posted April 21, 2008 02:37 AM
like everone else says, astrolgy aside, he is in no frame of mind for a committed relationship , he was honest with you about that. he is deluding himself and you. ly friend IQhunk always says that a man should be older to thye girl by 10 yrs, thats when they wont deceive you. Or themselves.IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 09:38 AM
I have a problem with dating older guys, especially ones that are 10 years older than me (I can't imagine dating a 30 year old). The inherent inequality of such a relationship is kind of gross.IP: Logged |
teaologist Knowflake Posts: 706 From: New York Registered: Sep 2006
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posted April 21, 2008 02:24 PM
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winky_winky Knowflake Posts: 574 From: SPAIN Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 02:38 PM
to me, compost looks better than synastry, dont see that many -soulmate- indicators in synastry, not that they are definitive but that was just a quick glance...i agree, neptune can mean beautiful, platonic love but also is very much linked with deceit........ IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 07:09 AM
I assume you've had a close look at his chart? That will be the place to find clues that might answer the question about what his deal is ~ how that relates to you is the next step withthe synastry chart ~ but once you've found out the first part the question will start to answer itself.IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 12:21 PM
See, what I don't get is what aspect is making him want freedom so much? I ordered a relationship report form astro.com and it said that he would not want to settle down immediately, but the thing about astro reports is THEY DON'T EXPLAIN WHAT ASPECT DOES WHAT >:|He has a Libra stellium (Sun, Moon, Mercury & Venus), which one would think would make a very relationship oriented person. However, his north node is in his 7th house (but in Aries). So I guess it's more comfortable for him to be alone? What bugs me is that he can't call me his girlfriend, when we've been dating for like 4 months, but he has no problem calling this girl he dated for a WEEK back in October his "ex girlfriend." They didn't even have sex. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Knowflake Posts: 994 From: New York, NY Registered: Sep 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 12:40 PM
There is a difference between wanting to get insight from astrology and wanting to learn astrology.When you order a report from an astrological service, it's not their job to teach you astrology, it's their job to interpret the symbols or a person who is a non-astrologer. If you want to learn astrology, start reading astrology books or take some classes. It's not something you learn over night. The internet can be very misleading in making you believe that you can learn it over night. It doesn't happen that way. Saturn = Wisdom Saturn = Time Wisdom takes Time. Also, there is nothing in any of these charts that you have posted or all of astrology that over rides COMMON SENSE and INTELLIGENCE! There is nothing in those charts that's going to change the fact that he cheated on you and will continue to cheat on you because he can. The level of disrespect he showers on you as well, by not honoring you and allowing you the label of "girlfriend" also speaks volumes about his character, or really, his lack of character. And it is now beginning to speak volumes about the amount of self-respect you are losing by continuing to allow him to wipe his shoes on you. Put down the astrology charts and look at the situation. You don't need charts to tell you that this is a disaster. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted April 22, 2008 01:33 PM
"What bugs me is that he can't call me his girlfriend, when we've been dating for like 4 months, but he has no problem calling this girl he dated for a WEEK back in October his "ex girlfriend." "Maybe he cared for her more than he does for you? I know this is not what you want to hear, but I completely agree with Geocosmic Valentine. His behaviour tells you clearly that he won`t commit to you (and he even told you so), and the astrological charts don`t look so grand either. his Uranus conjunct your Mars his Sun square your Uranus his Venus square your Neptune his Mars square your Chiron his Uranus opposite your Chiron his Uranus conjunct your DC Those aspects alone describe that it is very challenging and maybe impossible to make this relationship a committed one (a little bit Uranus is nice, but most people can`t deal with too much Uranian influence; it`s too erratic and unreliable). I don`t like the T-square to your Chiron either; often squares to Chiron can feel very painful. Yes, it is also the asteroid of healing, but before the healing takes place, there will be wounds, and it will be your wounds (your Chiron). Of course there are also better aspects. Otherwise there would have been no emotional and / or sexual attraction. Your Venus opposite his Sun (I guess this is rather wide, isn`t it? I can`t see the degrees) is a sign of magnetic attraction. Opposites attract. You are Venus, so I guess you are the most attracted. You are so charmed by him. But all in all, his actions speak for themselves, as you surely know. And I am just unsure what exactly is it that you want us to do? Giving you advice on what to do? Analyzing the charts? Tell you what you want to hear? But returning to your questions in the first post: "Basically I want to stick it out and hope that sometime in the near future he'll WANT to make it official. Is this in the cards?" No. I don`t think so. NOt after what you told us about him. " Also, what do you see in the composite charts/synastry? Are they mainly good or mainly bad?" I have only looked at the synastry. I see a lot of electricity, excitement and chemistry. But I also see the risk of being deceived and a highly unstable relationship. Rather an affair than a committed relationship. After a first glance the composite seems to confirm that. Uranus square Moon Eros conjunct Sun Venus sextile Mars Uranus exactly opposite Chiron Good physical chemistry and attraction, but unpredictable and unstable (URanus square Moon as the chartruler), and someone will get hurt (Uranus opposite Chiron). in the DAvison: Uranus opposite Chiron on the relationship-axis ASC, Saturn and Uranus conjunct: strange combination: a lasting unstable relationship? (Saturn can make this thing last, but he can`t make Uranus disappear; so even if you will stay together, it probably will still be very Uranian, unpredictable). Sun in 12th house: either highly spiritual or a secret relationship Moon trine Venus / Neptune: romantic and idealistic feelings between you two. Moon opposite Mars: could get ugly over time; Emotions could get volatile and uncontrolled, which is nice in a passionate sense, but difficult if you want to live together DD
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amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 05:27 PM
mblover: I'm the Aquarius in the charts. He is the Libra. Which is weird because stereotypically, HE should be the one wanting a relationship and *I* should be running away.darkdreamer: I doubt that. He never talks about her except once when he called her boring. His Sun is at 1 Libra and my Venus is at 29 Pisces, so a 2 degree orb. to everyone else: I know what the "common sense" approach to this situation is. I came here for astrological advice. I only gave background information because it seems to make people want to read charts more (which I really hate doing because it makes people look for the patterns of that story in the charts, instead of taking an objective look at them). In any case, I can't stop seeing him. When he's not around I miss him. He misses me, too. It's easier to say "THIS IS STUPID IM BREAKING IT OFF" than to actually do it.
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blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 05:41 PM
But you're the one who is Venus SQ Uranus ~ if I read that chart right. It might not be the first or last time you go for someone not prepared to commit. It might be part of the lure. Like any stressful aspect, with time it tends to become easier to live with. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Knowflake Posts: 994 From: New York, NY Registered: Sep 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 05:48 PM
Hi Amowls,I actually agree with you that it is easier said than done. If it was easy, no one would ever find themselves in this situation. Here's some gentle advice for you because you've already heard the tough love stuff. Instead of saying, "I can't," turn that into, "I'm having difficulty breaking it off." That way your mind subconciously readies itself to gently begin the process. Also, Libra's are not stereotypically inclined toward wanting relationships. More often than not, a part of Libra's karma is learning to handle relationships, learning to balance within relationships. They usually have the most difficulty with relationships than most of the other signs. If not Libra Sun, then Libra Rising and Libra Moon's as well. You may find that if you don't end the relationship, he will. With all of that tense Uranus energy, this will be a roller coaster ride complete with lightening boltz and electrical shocks the whole time. It'll probably be more painful for you if he ends up breaking it off, because then you'll feel stepped on and rejected. That's all for now. I really do wish you luck.
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amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 22, 2008 10:14 PM
Thanks guys for your wisdom IP: Logged | |