posted April 27, 2008 12:05 PM         

I suddenly had a question in my mind, and cast that chart.
I wondered what exactly ties me to a certain guy, who kinda never left my mind (we don`t have a relationship).

This is the chart.

posted April 28, 2008 04:27 AM         

I'm taking stabs in the dark really, but does any of that sound right? I may be way off base seeing as I don't know horary at all.

posted April 28, 2008 06:35 AM         

I know very little about horary, I tried it some time ago. However, most of what I know refers to yes/no questions. So before I say anything, bare in mind that I am pulling here.
First of all, the house system used for horary is Regiomontanus. This is what I've read. But there are different astrologers using different methods. Second, the tranditional rulers are used. So, your ruler is Mars, in Cancer [fall - means it is weak, something is hindering you], in the 9th house, though you should check Regiomontanus and see where it falls.
The partner is ruled by the 7H ruler - Venus, feminine planet (it might be relevant if this is who I think it might be?), in Aries, masculine sign, and in exile. His ruler is also weakened.
Also, you can be ruled by the Moon, as well. Moon is good, in Sagittarius, 2nd house.
You also need the declination table and check parallels/contraparallels.
In horary, they use huge orbs, I find it hard to work with them.

Soo.. from looking at this chart, Mars is at 22* 8' Cancer, Venus is at 22* 53' Aries, it means they are forming a separating square. Separating is not good, you need a third planet to reconnect you to him. That planet might be the Moon, which is in between you guys, at 22*42' Sagi. However, Moon makes an applying trine to Venus, but makes a quincunx to your Mars [and I don't know if the quincunx is considered, I believe it's just ptolemaic aspects]. I believe this is called "collection of lights" and it should be favourable.
And even if the quincunx is not considered, you ARE represented by the Moon, making an applying trine to his ruler Venus, which is very very good. If you would have asked a yes/no question, answer would have been yes.
This is pretty much all i know on horary. I don't know if it helps, but I wish you goodluck with it.
Hugs and kisses!!

Oh, you might like this site for horary lessons: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mcmcann/newpage1.htm

posted April 28, 2008 11:01 AM         

As far as I know the rules of horary astrology, one only look to the significators and ignores the other planets (unless they aspect one or both of the significators).

So, the Neptune in question doesn`t have applying aspects to the significators, even though he may still play a role, since the last aspect of the Moon will be a sextile to Neptune.

Gemini Lover,
I would happily accept your generous offer of looking into the cards for me. Do you need to know something from me? Birthdates? Another question?

EDIT:
Oh I just realized, that my significator (Moon) is sextile Neptune, and his significator (Venus) is also sextile Neptune, so Neptune falls onto the midpoint of Moon (me) and Venus (him) - so maybe it does play a role.

posted April 28, 2008 11:55 AM         

it`s great to see you here again.

"I know refers to yes/no questions."
Well, underlying that question I asked, was a yes / no question I guess. What I actually meant with that question was: "Is my feeling of a connection real and does he - in some way- feel it, too?"

"So, your ruler is Mars, in Cancer [fall - means it is weak, something is hindering you], in the 9th house, though you should check Regiomontanus and see where it falls."
Yes, I guess, life is hindering me and even more, I am hindering myself.
Mars also falls into 9th house in REgiomontanus.
I also think that Mars in the 9th house is a fitting significator for me, since I have natally Mars inm SAgittarius on the ASC.

"The partner is ruled by the 7H ruler - Venus, feminine planet (it might be relevant if this is who I think it might be?), in Aries, masculine sign, and in exile."
Yes, it is him. You know me too well.
It`s interesting to compare his significators to his own natal chart.
DC is conjunct his Karma, Sun is conjunct his Venus in Taurus (Moon is also in Taurus),and he has Sun in Aries.

"Also, you can be ruled by the Moon, as well. Moon is good, in Sagittarius, 2nd house."
This seems to represent me quite well, since this Moon is conjunct (4°) my natal Sun and my natal Moon falls into the 2nd house, too.

"oo.. from looking at this chart, Mars is at 22* 8' Cancer, Venus is at 22* 53' Aries, it means they are forming a separating square. Separating is not good,"
The square would be rather bad in itself, wouldn`t it?
Or can a square also point to a "Yes".

"making an applying trine to his ruler Venus, which is very very good."
That was the one, that caught my eye, too. Especially since it`s quite close.
And on top of that it`s just nice to see that my Significator falls into my own Sunsign (Sag), while his Significator falls into his Sunsign (Aries) and both make a trine. Looks really beautiful.

Thank you for your interpretation and also for the link you posted. This looks interesting.

posted April 28, 2008 02:15 PM         

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The square would be rather bad in itself, wouldn`t it?
Or can a square also point to a "Yes".

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And on top of that it`s just nice to see that my Significator falls into my own Sunsign (Sag), while his Significator falls into his Sunsign (Aries) and both make a trine. Looks really beautiful.

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So, the connection is real. Perhaps he also felt it, though it might be more difficult for him to identify the cause. Have you thought about doing time regression to find out what the ties really are? It's hard using astrology, because astrology works with symbols. "Venus stands for...", "6th house stands for..." etc. That way you might get some answers about the karmic bond you two share.

posted April 29, 2008 06:37 AM         

I would also add some thoughts about it.
One things is for sure, that its an extremely interesting chart, with that such exact T-square between Mars, Jupiter and Venus.
Strong karma is here, for sure.

Unlike the previous posters, i would choose the 5th house ruler as his indicator( so Jupiter) since you are not in a relationship.

Jupiter and Mars are in mutual exaltation which means, that you have strong feelings for each other. * (so yes, i think he feels you, too)
*
And although its nice that the Moons last aspect is a trine, i just read that if a Moon has even a positive aspect with a weak planet it doesnt mean sth such good, since the Moon will activate that weak planet.

And in your case, Venus is in its exil, so its extremely weak here...

And i agree with OzMeg about Neptune conjunct the IC.

But of course, its only my opinion, im not an expert either.

posted April 29, 2008 01:07 PM         

"His ruler Venus, being faster, is running away from your ruler Mars."
Great choice of words!

"OMG!! I didn't see this before! It's so amazing how these things happen."
Yes, it is.
Usually, when I am doing a horary for myself, the angles or Sun and Moon have strong connections to my chart.

"You of course don't like this (Mars in fall) and don't have enough confidence to take action."
That is VERY true. Two steps forward, three steps back - that is me.

" His venus being in exile points to his feminine side being at odds with his masculine self."
You know that THAT is true!

"So, the connection is real."
I think that is maybe the most important thing for me to believe. That it was not ALL just a figment of my mind, even though I am realistic enough to say that most of it is. But if he felt it at least a tiny little bit, then I don`t feel like a COMPLETE lunatic.

"Have you thought about doing time regression to find out what the ties really are?"
You mean, review a past life?
I don`t know how to do it, actually.

"I think you have an e-mail to write if you haven't done it already."
No, I haven`t. I don`t even know WHAT to write. And now I have an excuse, my significatoris in Cancer in fall.

DD

posted April 29, 2008 01:13 PM         

"Square means something that didn't happen according to plan/didn't turn out how you expected."
Yes, that is very true.

"BUT the END OF MATTERS is the aqua IC which is conjunct neptune and planets conjunct the 'end of matters' means just that- the planet is the end of matter.
So sorry, neptune 'fantasy, drunkeness, deception' are the answer..."
I do agree with that interpretation from a psychological angle - there is very much FANTASY involved, which is just a personal trait of mine. I can`t help but dream and fantasize.

But regarding horary charts I`ve always read that they don`t use the modern planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto and that they only use the ruler of relevant houses, so Neptune wouldn`t be considered according to the horary-rules.?.

posted April 29, 2008 01:18 PM         

"Strong karma is here, for sure."
It has always been my feeling that there is some karma between us. But of course I can never be sure that Neptune is not playing his tricks on me.

"Unlike the previous posters, i would choose the 5th house ruler as his indicator( so Jupiter) since you are not in a relationship."
I thought the 7th house represents all people one is interacting with?
HOwever, 5th house does feel right, too, since he is a very creative person.

"Jupiter and Mars are in mutual exaltation which means, that you have strong feelings for each other. * (so yes, i think he feels you, too)"
What does that mean?
Is this because Jupiter is in Capricorn and Mars is exalted in Capricorn?
But what about Mars? How is it exalted?

posted April 29, 2008 06:16 PM         

"But regarding horary charts I`ve always read that they don`t use the modern planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto and that they only use the ruler of relevant houses, so Neptune wouldn`t be considered according to the horary-rules.?."

Ya, its true that most people neglect at all these planets, but since my Mom study horary astrology, i myself also saw quite many charts, and when these plantes were conjunct any of the significators, or the angels, they always seemed valid. (so when they are prominent)
For example, i specifically remember one case, when the question was about divorce, and the astrologer said, it will happen when the Moon reaches Uranus or sth like that.

I think in your case Neptun is quite valid.

"thought the 7th house represents all people one is interacting with?"

No, its not that simple, its more like the natal charts. Parents significator is the ruler of the 4ht haosue, a friends significator is the ruler of the 11th and so on.

The meaning of the 5th house is pretty much the same here as in the "normal" astrology.
So when its about enjoyments, lovers (but not a committed relationship), one night things etc.

But for example, if you're in love with someone, and would like to know whether you can have a committed relationship, then you should already look the 7th house.

But as you explained, it wasnt what you wanted to know, was it? Rather the feelings part.

But what about Mars? How is it exalted?
Well, i cant give you a professional answer, but in horary, every planet has different dignities depending on the sign and degree is it. (i will try to explain it to you tomorow

posted April 30, 2008 04:07 AM         

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"Have you thought about doing time regression to find out what the ties really are?"
You mean, review a past life?
I don`t know how to do it, actually.

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"I think you have an e-mail to write if you haven't done it already."
No, I haven`t. I don`t even know WHAT to write. And now I have an excuse, my significatoris in Cancer in fall.

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posted April 30, 2008 05:52 AM         

I don't know much about horary yet, but have a feeling if you keep on it, you'll be an expert very soon!

I came across this link when I was researching Solstice Points and thought of you. There are exerpts from a book that seems pretty interesting.
http://books.goog le.com/books?id=pzaPpyZFzpEC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=solstice+points&source=web&ots=79t13C40og&sig=2pnuSZ_3Kil92kAcdUZBi1Kwqwk&hl=en#PPA173,M1

posted May 12, 2008 02:16 PM         

SOME GUIDELINES FOR READING A HORARY ASTROLOGY CHART
----------------------------------------------------

Decide on the main significator(s). The Ascendant ruler, also called
Lord of the Ascendant or 1-ruler, planets in the 1st house, if any, and
the Moon, if she does not represent another, represent the querent. The
Moon always represents the question.

Find the house that the Ascendant ruler is in. This describes where the
querent is.

The Moon is co-ruler of the querent and usually shows where his true
interest lies. This is useful if you are not judging your own question,
for it may tell you the querent's true emphasis of interest.

The Ascendant ruler states fact, the Moon indicates interest, what the
querent has in mind.

The chart should describe the situation asked about. The Ascendant, the
planets there, and the ruler of the Ascendant should in some way
describe the querent.

Next, the house of the question (the quesited) must be determined.

The house ruling the quesited should produce a planet describing the
person or matter asked about.

The planet that rules the house of the matter asked about or any planet
in that house symbolizes the quesited.

The condition of the quesited can be gleaned from the condition -
fortitudes and debilities - of the planet symbolizing him. A person with
a good opinion of himself will be shown as an exalted planet.

Generally speaking, if the Lord of the house ruling the matter is
favorably aspected to the Lord of the Ascendant, the planets in the 1st
house and/or the Moon, then the matter will come to a favorable
conclusion or the answer to the question will be "yes".

Generally speaking, if the Lord of the house ruling the matter is not
favorably aspected to the Lord of the Ascendant, the planets in the 1st
house and/or the Moon, then the matter will come to naught or the answer
to the question will be "no".

The planets which favorably aspect your significator(s) show whence you
may find help to obtain your wish.

The planets which afflict your significator(s) indicate what hinders
your wish.

The Moon and her aspects until she leaves her SIGN tell the development
of the answer within time and its final outcome.

The planet over which the Moon transited last (conjunction) often
reveals the circumstances in the past that affect the question
represented in the chart.


NOTES ON WHY SOME CHARTS DON'T WORK
-----------------------------------

Beware of those cases wherein the astrologer is subject to err and
mistake, of which the learned have named four.

1. When the querent is so silly that he doesn't know how to ask, or what
he wants.

2. When the time for which the figure is erected is mistaken.

3. When the astrologer doesn't know whether the Sun is on the line of
the MC, or behind it or before it.

4. When the Fortunes and Infortunes are of equal strength, at which time
you therefore ought not to receive any question.

There may well be added yet three more ways wherein the astrologer will
be subject to error.

5. When the querent comes only to try him, or put a trick upon him, as
many do, saying, "Let us go to such an astrologer and ask him such a
thing and see if he can tell us the truth or not."

6. When the querent does not ask out of a serious or settled intention,
as some do when they meet an astrologer by chance or go to him on other
business. On a sudden, they think of something, and so they ask, as it
were, by-the-by, wherein it is a thousand to one that mistakes happen.

But you may be ready to say, "How shall I know whether the querent comes
out of a solid intention, or only to try me?" If you get an early or
late Ascendant, then I say they did not ask seriously or they came to
try me.

7. When the Lord of the Ascendant and the Lord of the Hour are not the
same, nor of the same triplicity, or not of the same nature as the
Ascendant, then the question is not radical.


WAYS TO ACHIEVE OR DENY PERFECTION
----------------------------------

TRANSLATION OF LIGHT - When two significators are separating from
aspect (ideally a conjunction, sextile or trine) so that they are out of
contact, only a 3rd planet faster than they and earlier in degree can
reunite them, by applying to each of them in turn. It is then a 3rd
person entering voluntarily to translate the light or restore contact
between the two and perfect the matter for them. Translation is most
effective when the Sun or Moon is involved. NOTE: in translation, the
translator planet must be the fastest planet. If not, then look to see
if the scenario is prohibition. Also, in translation, the two planets
have already separated. In translation, the significator from which the
faster planet separates should receive the translating planet in one of
its essential dignities (the faster planet must start out in a segment
of the zodiac governed by the 1st significator so that it can carry the
light of the 1st significator with it to the 2nd one). The translating
planet may not make an aspect with any other planet before it aspects
the 2nd significator.

COLLECTION OF LIGHT - When the two significators have not been in aspect
and are therefore like strangers, but each applies to the same 3rd
planet that is slower than either of them and whose degree is later than
theirs, that 3rd planet is a 3rd person to whom they both can turn,
someone willing to "collect their light" and represent them both.
Collection is most effective when the Sun or Moon is involved. NOTE: the
collector must be the slowest planet, else the scenario could end up
being frustration. The two fastest moving planets must never meet by
themselves. If they will, then it can't be collection, but it may then
be frustration. Both faster planets should receive the slowest planet in
one of his essential dignities.

FRUSTRATION - A faster planet applies to a slower planet, but before
the aspect can take place, the slower planet aspects a third planet,
thus frustrating the applying aspect. Think of the proverb, "The 2 dogs
quarrel and the 3rd dog gets the bone".

PROHIBITION - Two planets apply to an aspect, but before the aspect is
completed, another planet intercedes. NOTE: in prohibition, the two
planets apply to an aspect. The house the interceding planet rules might
show from whom the prohibition comes, i.e. a brother if the interceding
planet rules the 3rd house.

SOME GENERAL RULES REGARDING TIMING
-----------------------------------

In your search for timing, look to these factors:

Any applying aspect between significators. See how many degrees the
aspect is from perfection and assign an appropriate unit of time (see
the table for the measure of time in the Traditional Horary Pocket
Guide).

Any applying aspect between significators. Check the actual ephemeris
date and time of perfection.

The number of degrees the Moon or another significator must travel
before changing sign, for a sign change represents a change of
condition.

The number of degrees separating the Ascendant from a significator
planet in the 1st house. Lilly wrote that the 1st house planet should be
a Fortune, the Moon, or a significator of the thing quesited, and it
should be essentially dignified. By extension, apply this rule to any
significator and the cusp of an adjacent and appropriate house. If
someone asks when he will obtain a new job, the distance between the MC
and 1-ruler in the 10th house may show the timing.

There are two ways to look at motion within a horary chart: as though
the house cusps are moving and the planets are standing still, or as
though the house cusps are frozen (like natal positions) and the planets
moving (like transits).

Timing may be shown by a retrograde significator's change of direction
(actual date) or by the number of degrees the significator must travel
before going direct.

In addition, consider these factors, which slow or speed the action:

If all significators are in the 1st house or in the oriental quarter
(houses 10, 11, and 12) and swift in motion, the timing is faster.

A significator moving faster than its average speed brings faster
results.

Mutual application of significators, which occurs when one planet is
direct and the other retrograde, brings sudden results.

A slow significator slows the action.

Cardinal signs speed the action; fixed signs slow it.


SOME RULES FOR LOST AND FOUND
-----------------------------

Possession is ruled by its owner's 2nd house, but the possibility of
losing or mislaying it is ruled by the 4th house.

If 2-ruler is angular, then the missing possession is still at home and
lost.

If Saturn or Neptune is prominent, showing forgetfullness, then it is

mislaid, and if not angular, then it is lost or mislaid away from home.
If neither lost nor mislaid, then it is probably stolen (use 7th house
rules then).

Mislaid if:
1. 2-ruler, Moon, natural ruler Venus, 4-ruler or Neptune in 1st house.

2. 1-ruler and 2-ruler in good aspect or in mutual reception by sign or
house.

3. 4-ruler or 8-ruler rules 1st house or is in the 1st or conjunct 1-
ruler.

4. Moon rules or is in 2nd house and applies by good aspect to 1-ruler
or 2-ruler.

5. Moon trine the Sun or either of them are well-aspected to 2nd house
cusp.

6. Moon in 10th trine a planet in the 2nd house.

7. 1-ruler in the 2nd house.

8. 2-ruler in the 4th house or 11th house.

9. 4-ruler in the 4th house strong by sign and in good aspect to 1-ruler
or 2-ruler.

10. Moon last over or aspecting 4-ruler.


WHERE IS THE MISSING ARTICLE?
-----------------------------

Take 4 significators: 2-ruler, Moon, natural ruler Venus, and dispositor
of the Part of Fortune.

With any of these angular, then the missing possession is in the home or
in that part of querent's place of employment where he usually works
with such things or where he thinks it might be or ought to be.

If 2-ruler is angular, then the thing will be found more easily; if
succedent, it should or must be looked for and will not be so easily
found; if cadent, it is out of sight and only indirectly found.

If intercepted, the article is enclosed and not out in the open. It is
among other things if the significator is among other planets. If soon
leaving the sign, then it has rolled down behind something. If on a
house cusp, then it is near a gate, door or window. If in good aspect to
1-ruler, then he can reach it conveniently.

If 1-ruler or the Moon was last over 2-ruler or the natural ruler Venus,
then the querent had it last and it is where he lost it - if last over
4-ruler, then it is where he mislaid it. If one of the four
significators is in mutual reception, then it is not now in the place
where it was lost or mislaid. Read the thing back in its own sign,
signifying that after being lost in one place it was moved to another

location, which gives a good clue in looking elsewhere for the thing.
Usually it will be found in the place indicated by the house ruled by
the other mutual reception planet. Saturn in or ruling the 7th confirms
a revised reading.

If proven not in the home, then 2-ruler succedent shows it is a short
distance away and recoverable. if cadent, then it is far away and
difficult to find, if at all.

If 4-ruler is in the 4th house or intercepted, then it is mislaid in or
around the home.

See study notes for descriptions of places according to element and
direction. Use house direction first, then sign direction.


PLACES DESCRIBED BY THE PLANETS, SIGNS, and HOUSES
--------------------------------------------------

PLANETS represent the thing asked about and describe it.
SIGNS describe the place it is in.
The ELEMENT of the sign tells you where to look for it.

AIR - denote the highlands, highest part of the house or HIGH in a room.
WEST.

FIRE - near a fireplace, heater, stove, chimney or outdoors, anywhere
there has been a fire and near something made of iron. MIDWAY UP in a
room. EAST.

WATER - near a faucet, sink, washbowl or tub, near plumbing lines. LOW
in a room. NORTH.

EARTH - at or below GROUND LEVEL. close to the floor or on the first
floor of a building, on stone or gravel or cement in the open. SOUTH.

ANGULAR HOUSES - in the home or in the part where the person generally
works with such things or suspects it may be found. Can be easily
reached.

SUCCEDENT HOUSES - it is not in the house, but not far away. Perhaps in
the garden or yard or in buildings close by and not out of range.

CADENT HOUSES - it is farther off and may be lost, hidden or secluded.
Perhaps sent away. In the 3rd - a nearer neighborhood. In the 9th - a
distant neighborhood. In the 6th or 12th - in a neighborhood different
in type from querent's.

DIRECTIONS -
The planet representing the querent or the person or thing inquired
about is the significator. Where you find that planet by HOUSE and SIGN,
there will you find the person or thing you are seeking.
HOUSE DIR. HOUSE DIR. HOUSE DIR. HOUSE DIR.
12th ESE 3rd NNE 6th WNW 9th SSW
1st EAST 4th NORTH 7th WEST 10th SOUTH
2nd ENE 5th NNW 8th WSW 11th SSE

SIGN DIR. SIGN DIR. SIGN DIR.
Aries EAST Leo E by N Sagittarius E by S
Capricorn SOUTH Taurus S by E Virgo S by W
Libra WEST Aquarius W by N Gemini W by S
Cancer NORTH Scorpio N by E Pisces N by W


RELOCATION QUESTIONS
--------------------

The 1st house, 1-ruler and the Moon show the querent.

The 4th house and 4-ruler symbolize the querent's present home.

The 7th house and 7-ruler represent the place or house about which the
querent inquires, the prospective new home.

The 10th house and 10-ruler symbolize the good or bad that may result
from the move.

RULES:
If 4-ruler is in the 7th and is a good planet, and if 1-ruler and 7-
ruler are good planets or strong by sign or house, and if they are
direct, swift in motion, and in good aspect with good planets, then it
is best to stay where you are and not move.

If Fortunate planets are in the 1st or 4th, then give encouragement to
stay. If 1-ruler or 4-ruler are sextile, trine or conjunct each other,
or in good aspect with fortunate planets, advise staying.

If the 1st or 4th houses are afflicted by the presence of Infortunes,
then move. The houses the afflicting planets rule show the cause of
injury the querent suffers. Consider the separation and application of
the Moon.

It is better to move if the 7-ruler is with a good planet and the 4-
ruler with an evil one, for you will be damaged by staying. If 1-ruler
recently separates from a square or opposition to 6-ruler, 8-ruler or
12-ruler, and if the Moon concurs in judgment by separating from any
evil aspect of an Infortune, with the Infortune ruling either the 7th or
the 4th and not representing or supporting the querent; or if an
Infortune is in the 1st house, peregrine or retrograde; or if a
peregrine or unfortunate planet was in the 4th; or if 2-ruler was weak
or poorly positioned, then advise the querent to move.

Look to the planet in the chart that is most fortunate, strongest, and
has the most friendly aspect to 1-ruler or 2-ruler. Then look at the
sign that planet occupies and suggest moving to a place that sign
represents.

If Moon separates from Jupiter or Venus, or if Jupiter or Venus is in
the 1st house, then stay. If the Moon separates from Mars or Saturn, or
if Mars or Saturn is in the 1st house, then move.

If 1-ruler is stronger than 7-ruler, then stay; if not, move. If both
are afflicted or badly positioned, then go. If both are indifferent and

aspected well rather than badly, then stay. If Moon separates from an
Infortune, then go. If Moon separates from a Fortune, then stay. If 1-
ruler separates from Infortunes and applies to Fortunes, then go. If 1-
ruler separates from Fortunes and applies to Infortunes, then stay. If
1-ruler and the Moon agree, then the judgment is more certain.


If the planet to whom the Moon applies is better than the planet she
separates from, then move, if not, stay.

If 7-ruler is with a good planet and 4-ruler is with a bad planet, it is
not good to stay.

It is better to STAY if:
4-ruler is a good planet in the 7th.

1-ruler and 7-ruler are good planets or strong by sign, direct, swift,
and aspecting good planets.

1-ruler is stronger than 7-ruler.

2-ruler is stronger than 8-ruler.

Moon separates from a Benefic.

The planet the Moon separates from is better than the planet she applies
to.

Jupiter or Venus is in the 1st house.

A fortunate planet is in the 1st or 4th house.

1-ruler separates from a Benefic and applies to an Infortune.

1-ruler sextile, trine or conjunct 4-ruler.

1-ruler and 4-ruler are in good aspect to fortunate planets.

It is better to LEAVE if:
7-ruler aspects a good planet and 4-ruler aspects an evil planet.

1-ruler separates from a square or opposition to 6-ruler, 8-ruler, or
12-ruler and the Moon separates from any evil aspect to an Infortune
ruling the 7th or 4th, and neither is a friend or significator of the
querent.

1-ruler separates from an Infortune and applies to a Benefic.

1st house contains an unfortunate planet, especially one which is
peregrine or retrograde.

Mars or Saturn is in the 1st house.

4th house contains a peregrine or unfortunate planet.

2-ruler is weak or badly placed.

8-ruler is stronger than 2-ruler.

Moon separates from an Infortune.


The planet the Moon applies to is better than the planet she separates
from.

7-ruler is stronger than 1-ruler.

REAL ESTATE - ON BUYING AND SELLING
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Querent is represented by Ascendant and 1-ruler. Planets in the 1st
house help to describe the querent.

The other party is shown by the 7th house and 7-ruler. Planets in the
7th help to describe the other party.

The property is symbolized by the 4th house, any planets therein, the
Moon, and 4-ruler.

The property's price is shown by the 10th house, 10-ruler, and any
planets in the 10th. They show whether the price will be cheap or
expensive. The 10th house represents the ACTUAL selling price should a
sale take place, regardless of the original asking price.

SOME RULES:
If 1-ruler and 7-ruler make any harmonious aspect, especially with 7-
ruler applying to 1-ruler, then the 7th house person has good intentions
to complete the sale and negotiate with the querent. If the
significators are in any essential dignity, then the parties are likely
to conclude the sale with little effort. If the application or any
translation of light is by square or opposition, they will have long
discussions, but will probably break off negotiations after much time
and effort.

If the querent is the buyer, then consider whether 1-ruler or Moon
applies to 4-ruler OR 4-ruler or Moon applies to 1-ruler OR 4-ruler
alone applies to 1-ruler and receives him in any dignity OR 1-ruler or
Moon is in the 4th OR 4-ruler is in the 1st. If any of these agree, the
person asking about the house will buy it. When the querent is the
seller, the 7th house represents the buyer and the sale is shown by
connections between the 4th and 7th houses.

If the Moon translates the light from 4-ruler to 1-ruler (querent is
buyer) or from 4-ruler to 7-ruler (querent is seller), then a bargain
will be concluded through messengers or brokers rather than through
direct negotiations of the principals.

A sale contract is an agreement between buyer and seller which depends
on a connection between the querent's significators and the 7th house.
If there is no application, translation, or collection of light linking
these, there may not be an agreement or sale.

In questions about property, the Moon shows who gains by the
transaction. Moon in 1st benefits the querent, Moon in 7th benefits his
opposite. If querent is the seller, Moon in 8th can show prospective
buyers hold onto their cash and are not likely to hand it over to the
querent's side of the chart. If the querent is the buyer, Moon in 8th
can show payment to the seller. In general, the Moon shows where the
money goes in the transaction. Examples, Moon in 10th - money goes to
the sale price (price went up), Moon in 4th - money goes into the
property (repairs needed on property, price of the property was raised
to cover some of the expenses).

Price is shown by 10-ruler. If 10-ruler is angular, direct, and strong
in essential dignities, the price will be high. In this case, the seller
will charge high interest rates. If 10-ruler is cadent, retrograde, slow
in motion, or afflicted, the price cannot rise high. In practice, a
strong and well dignified 10-ruler shows a high price that remains high
or increases. If the querent is the buyer, a weak 10-ruler shows that
the price is negotiable and the seller will agree to a lower price. If
the querent is the seller, a weak 10-ruler shows that the asking price
is too high or that the final selling price will be negotiated downward.

Lilly warned prospective buyers that if Mars and Saturn are in the 4th
and very strong or peregrine, or if the 4-ruler is retrograde,
unfortunate, or in its sign of fall or detriment, the property will not
stay long in the buyer's family. If Jupiter, Venus, or the North Node is
in the 4th or rules the 4th and is in the 4th, the buyer may expect
success with the land or house being purchased and his investment will
increase in value.

Quality of the land - consider the 4th house and its sign. If an
Infortune is in the sign of the 4th house and retrograde or in his fall
or detriment, the land's quality will be adversely affected according to
the planet's nature. Example, Scorpio on the 4th house cusp, Saturn in
the 4th and retrograde or afflicted - ground contains too much water, it
floods or it's boggy.