posted May 04, 2008 10:48 PM         

Taurus Rising
Mars in Leo
Seven Planets in Virgo (Sun, moon, jup, merc, pluto, uranus, venus)
Neptune in Scorpio
Saturn in Aries

The woman is amazingly discriminating and has been under depression over two things.

1. Regarding a new guy she has met. She has a list of 1000 mistakes she is whining over.

2. Regarding Ex, who she is not able to let go because obviously situation has not been analyzed to the minute details.

The difficulty I am facing is not finding any ways to explain such a highly discriminating woman who needs to let go of details. And see a little bigger picture of life.

Any guidance on how to help Virgos who are extremely discriminating on details will be helpful.

posted May 05, 2008 10:22 AM         

As befits a Virgo thread I'm going to be picky and ask if your friend is whining over the boyfriend's faults or winning them over? I assume she is whining. That would make it more of a problem.

If so, A leads to B. Who wants to hang around where there is a list of their multitude of mistakes? But I doubt it would be helpful to point that out. Following the same principle I might suggest she goes through her list (whether actual or metaphorical) and consider striking through one or two items she feels she can live with. As for the ex, without asking his opinion she isn't going to get a complete picture anyway.

She isn't going to be able to change personality it is just a question of using all her Virgo energy more productively. Instead of changing her approach it is probably more beneficial to try to get her to adapt slightly.

posted May 05, 2008 11:23 AM         

Thanks for your responses. And agree with comments. But, please note this woman has seven planets in Virgo. I mean think about the discriminating mind. Even to help someone, she needs to highlight mistakes first (and literally laugh at mistakes!). Her laughter and jokes are full of discrimination and finding some one's mistakes. To her credit, I have seen her laughing at herself too.

But, the woman is 40, hasn't had a single enjoyable relationship.

Thus far Only thing I have been able to understand clearly is that every single relationship.. during the relationship.. her job is to find mistakes and help that person. Helping that person is a definitely very nice Service. But finding mistakes into just about everyone and everything. The guys are running away so fast.

I am trying to gain insight into Extreme Virgo intensity here.

posted May 05, 2008 02:03 PM         

Saturn was in Aries, not Virgo. You would think those picky purest Virgos would get these details right.

http://visforvirgo.tribe.net/thread/754adb4d-177b-4a9d-ace9-135ec6a4e403

If you scroll down this link, there is someone with 7 planets in Virgo who says she never idenitified with the sign at all, and cried when she first saw her chart. Maybe being in the 5th she has channelled all that Virgoan energy into creative endeavours. It's a good place to send it. One of the other posters goes with the Sidereal Zodiac explanation.

posted May 05, 2008 05:17 PM         

One thing I have consistently been learning about Virgos is that they utilize past experience or proven books more often that philosophies or friends. Without proof of past, they just don't want to think optimistically.

I hate to use the world Martyrdom - but - I know she is almost ready to go back into Martyrdom because VIRGOS SAVE THE SHARPEST CRITICISM TO THEMSELVES (Linda's words) and I truly hate to see self criticism going in without even understanding that life has a bigger picture than small little details of mistakes and laughter/sadness associated with small mistakes.

posted May 07, 2008 04:42 PM         

Can you please post the chart? It would be nice to be able to dissect her with the houses. As I know you already know, she's not just a Virgo, even though she has most of her planets there. The answer might be in how those planets are affecting specific areas of her life such as her 2nd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 11th houses.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of to tell her is that no matter how much she analyzes the details, there will never be a subject where God will reveal all the answers to her. The lesson may have to be for her to "Let go and let God. God is in the details, etc."

posted May 07, 2008 05:17 PM         

I think also the Cap MC should also be followed to as well, using the NN will give her the cardinal commonality with her MC and her (unfortunately fall) saturn. So my advice is the Dr Phil method, give her a kick up her bum and tell her that she ought to just get on with it and that its up to her to fuel it from there (mars trine NN). SHE HAS TO LEARN TO BE DECISIVE.

posted May 07, 2008 05:59 PM         

I always think that things were easier when I was a kid. All I had to do was to be a good girl, obey the rules and study for school to get straight As and it made everything perfect ! Plus you get feedback and praise all the time for what you do.

Then you grow up and you have to /have the luxury to make choices for yourself. If somehow, you fail to find your dream job, you start questioning life, you get obsessive about relationships etc

Why- because you are no longer and never sure whether you're on the right path ! Once you start complaining and having doubts about the higher reason you're serving, you realize that all your energy is spent for finding excuses for not being completely content or motivated.

Virgo is a great sign that can be such a hardworking perfectionist but unless the Virgo in you finds not a person but a job to be obsessive about, you remain at a nervous and pathetic state.

posted May 07, 2008 06:19 PM         

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Something she can control.

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Exactly right. What a lot of people don't realize about us Virgos is that our obsession with details actually stems from an insecure need to feel like we have control over our environments. If we know everything about everyone and everything, then we know how to handle life. When we don't, we feel lost.

Intelligence is huge to Virgos, and so being able to regurgitate even the most useless information and detail to people makes us feel good, because we feel like we saw something that no one else did, and we helped when the other, more forgetful signs couldn't.

I think the main thing about it is trying to cut to the heart of what she's really saying to you. Is there a specific theme that comes up in all of her multitudes of details? Is there specifically an emotion that comes up though she may not be saying it? Once you can identify the emotion, it's a lot easier to cut through the extraneous stuff and point it out to her.

You see... That's what's funny. Virgos are very very good at cutting to the heart of all the BS of other people to get to the main theme, but when it comes to their own stuff, the details are a great way to avoid what the problem really is. We can talk in circles for DAYS (thanks Mr. Mercury ). I know because I've done it.

Anyway, I don't know if any of that info helped, but I hope it does...

posted May 07, 2008 10:26 PM         

Thanks for the chart BUT...

Can you put one up that has a clear order of the planets and the degrees labeled as well as the house degree numbers included, etc. This one's really pretty, but there are some where I don't have to do the additional work. How about the standard web issued Astrodienst chart. Even though they don't number the houses, at least the planets will be in order with the degree numbers, etc. I don't need asteroids or anything like that.

The one thing I can tell you, and you probably already know this, Saturn is about to roll over her Sun for the 3rd time, her Sun rules the romantic 5th, so heavy thinking, organizing and planning may be on her agenda. Transiting Uranus is currently opposite some of those planets, most likely it is Uranus or Pluto. If it's her Uranus opposition (I'm going through that now also), she's going to be a little more eccentric than usual and it's usually a big signal for divorce or ending relationships or someone eccentric entering your life (that's what is happening to me ). Also, transiting Neptune is squaring her natal Neptune or is in the process of that whole thing happening.

I know you want to help her or stop her from trying to figure it out. Even though she's a Virgo, there are lots of people who aren't Virgo's who go through the same thing and we can tell them to stop, that's it's not healthy, but we can't control them.

I'm fading with sleep now, that's all I got for now. I'll check with you tomorrow.

Geocosmic Sleepytime.