posted May 08, 2008 01:33 PM         

If anyone is interested in the general topic I'd suggest reading "Astrology of Death" by Richard Houck.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Astrology-Death-Richard-Houck/dp/0 964161257/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210267740&sr=8-1

It's not any easy book which is good as it will put off casual and/or frivolous enquirers.

posted May 08, 2008 05:54 PM         

I used to work for a children's charity that dealt specifically with children who had chronic or life-threatening diseases. I was an administrator there and had access to birthdata and medical records. When you see the signatures in a chart for specific diseases and times when you fully expect that the person is going to die, those signatures are not always reliable. Those same transits and solar arcs that suggest it could be the end also suggest fighting, battles, spiritual intervention, a surpising jolt of life energy or a break down in the system and a miraculous regeneration.

I was just beginning to study astrology at that time and didn't want to believe that God was in charge, but I witnessed it happen too many times to ignore it. Yes, many children died and I realized that some of those dire signatures were signals to prepare ourselves for the worst but to hope and pray for the best. To do our best to make sure to do our best to make sure that the child crosses over pain free or to make sure that all business was in order, because that's the mature thing to do, to carry on with the business of death so life can continue on as efficiently as possible for the survivors when they may not be able to think straight.

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posted May 08, 2008 06:41 PM         

I wouldnt want to know what are those aspects,im a Virgo sun so i will stay away of this particular thread ( no offence).

But think this: why would you want to know this? If it“s posted here what are those aspects,then sure you will be always looking for it along the time - in your chartt,in your loves ones...worry will always be there consuming you.

There are things which is preferable not to know ans makes us stay in Ignorance.

posted May 08, 2008 07:16 PM         

To be quite honest, i do want to know, i was looking at another Forum on here earlier which stated that malefics that are harshly aspected to the Sun, Moon, and asteroids indicate a violent death. If you look at my chart i have some hideous things going on between Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn. Therefore... i desire to know.

I've always felt that i was going to die young. 36 to be exact.

posted May 08, 2008 07:57 PM         

The goal is to get very, VERY OLD!! But people seem to want to complain every step of the way. I've seen idiots cry when they turn 25, 30, 40, 50, etc. because they don't get to stay young and pretty completely forgetting that their life is a PRECIOUS GIFT!!

Why don't you click on this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010008.html

Started by our dear friend "GoatGirl" who is currently in her 9th month of pregnancy while dealing with her husband's severe case of cancer and get a taste of hope within crisis!!! This is a REAL life and death situation!! She updates us all everyday about how her husband is doing his best to battle some horrific spinal cancer and they are winning with hope, faith, and the prayers from good people.

I'm not saying that your life isn't difficult or that you haven't been through hell in your life, yes, your chart suggests great tension, stress and all kinds of stuff, but you don't NEED to know when you're going to die. It diverts you from the tasks you need to accomplish in your life. If you do die at 36 years old, well then you're no different from the millions of 36 year olds who have crossed over from this planet to the next plane of existence, but instead of focusing on when it's going to happen, focus on what you need to accomplish up to that point, if that's when it's supposed to happen.

Start by reading GoatGirl's thread, then maybe think about asking how you can look at your chart as a guide toward success. I bet you never thought about how those stressful aspects can catapult you toward success, have you? You should try it. I could tell you some things about your chart that would KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF KID!!! Your chart is like a stained glass window, you can shine thousand watt light bulb through it and see the most amazing things, or you can shine 100 watt light bulb through it and only see the most dismal shadows and lifeless colors.

You are the one who is in control of how bright the light shines through your chart. You CAN turn up the wattage on your light bulb.

And just because you are a Scorpio Rising with Pluto at the Ascendant doesn't mean your life has to be all about death and destruction, your life can also be about some earth moving power as well.

Please value your life. Read that thread.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted May 09, 2008 02:20 AM         

Having been through this experience in person (obviously not directly as I am still sat here) I no longer take it for granted that I am going to live to see my three score years and ten. But I really don't think it is fruitful to sit worrying about it, I'd rather make the most of the time I have left however long or short.

posted May 09, 2008 06:24 AM         

And Geo, i understand where you're coming from, but i think i need to reiterate that i AM NOT SUICIDAL. I'm curious... and somewhat fearful...

I know i've got tension, obviously, but i also know that there is a lot of good written in there. I'm not simply focusing on whether i'll be shot in the head or... whatever. Tis just a fascinating subject.

posted May 09, 2008 07:46 AM         

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posted May 09, 2008 08:01 AM         

I agree with you, of course you're going to have some curiosity. I tend to take it seriously when I see a 17 year old expressing the psychological NEED to know when she's going to die and then actually writing out "I just might off myself."

It would be irresponsible of anyone here to ignore that you wrote that sentence.

And everyone has some fear of dying, see how it's triggered everyone? Not that it's your fault for triggering people, as you already know this subject comes up once in a while and it will always come up forever.

We all fear dying but we feel the fear and keep on living. Just to repeat, no one is guaranteed tomorrow or 5 minutes from now and no one knows how they're exit will be presented to them, whether it happens at someone elses hands, our own hands, or we go peacefully in our sleep which for some is the winning lotto ticket and others want to go out in a blaze of glory - literally, but I guess the general consensus being shown here is - why dwell on that when there are people right here on this forum clinging to the precious gift of life by their fingernails and then someone comes along and blithely talks about casting it aside.

So I want to reiterate that I agree with you, there is nothing wrong with the curiousity, it's more about how it's presented in terms of intelligence, sophistication, responsibility and compassion.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted May 10, 2008 08:37 PM         

And anyways, like someone mentioned, no single aspect indicates death indefinately. It COULD represent death, or it could represent an intense transformational period. astrology is all about possiblities, nothing's definate.

I can understand you're curious though... I have Scorpio Rising with Pluto conj. ASC as well.

posted May 12, 2008 10:51 PM         

Here are some links you maybe interested in reading.

'Can the death of an individual be predicted from the natal chart? Is there any site which offers this facility?' http://www.elysian.co.uk/askastrologerarchives4.htm#Can%20the%20death%20of%20an%20i ndividua

Anareta - The Killing Planet http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/regulus_antares/killing_planet.htm

Deborah Houlding's Sky Script Forums - Anareta http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1942&sid=b7123f0982f9f72130bfd260 53768e46

Al Biruni's List of Parts - Part of Anairetai [anareta: destroyer] http://www.skyscript.co.uk/alparts.html

Bernadette Brady - The Hyleg and Alcoccoden http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/Hyleg.pdf

J. Lee Lehman - Hyleg and Alcoccoden http://www.leelehman.com/medical_3.html

Celeste Teal's book entitled Predicting Events With Astrology and Nance McCullough's Solar Returns - Formulas & Analyses both mention death in the charts, but after the fact. They don't predict the date of death. Marion March and Joan McEvers discuss death very briefly in their book, The Only Way to Learn About Tomorrow. They are of the opinion that it is easier to spot death in the charts of those left behind after someone has passed rather than the chart of the person that has expired.

posted May 13, 2008 07:48 AM         

So I want to reiterate that I agree with you, there is nothing wrong with the curiousity, it's more about how it's presented in terms of intelligence, sophistication, responsibility and compassion."

Geocosmic you have a beautiful way with words.

posted June 30, 2008 01:41 PM         

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What would show death in childhood or in young adulthood? Any natal aspects stand out?

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Hey, I was interested in that question too and found something on the internet in an interesting article about it. Some astrologer did a research, collected a lot of info from birth charts etc., and claims he/she has found an answer on the question to the lifespan of a person.

But the article's in dutch so I'll translate the most important parts for you:

ELEMENTS

1) More chance of a very long life if the elements Earth and Air rule your chart.

2) The lesser of the element Fire, the better for the duration of your life.

3) The chance of dying young is bigger when the element Fire or Water rules your chart. EXCEPTION: the sign of SCORPIO! Meaning: you can have a big scorpio influence, but still die at an old age.

4) The less of the element Air, the worse for the duration of your life.

ASPECTS

1) People that died at an old age always had nice aspects between Sun and Saturn and midpoint combinations from Sun to Jupiter with Mars or Pluto.

2) A lot of the old people (i.e. with a long life) had Jupiter on (the midpoint) Sun/Mars, some had Jupiter on Sun/Pluto and a few had Mars = Sun/Jupiter and Pluto = Sun/Jupiter. All had at least one of these combinations in their birth chart.

3) People that died at a young age had Mars or Pluto aspects to Saturn or Neptune, often with an aspect to the Sun (or midpoint).

Source: http://www.astromarkt.net/artlevensduur.htm#Uitkomsten

The astrologer also gives a short explanation for his/her findings, but I'm too lazy to translate that. LOL. Well Okay, let me know if you want that bit translated as well...

Anyway, hope this info helps you BUT, as other people suggested before, I'd take this sort of stuff with a grain of salt too.