posted May 10, 2008 06:01 PM
I did a lot of research on Eris. Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those
things are connected to each other too.
I don't believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I
think that there is more to it. That's like saying Pluto is just about
the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the underworld. Juan
Revilla made good points that we can't just rely on the name of the
object for its astrological meaning. Uranus personality traits fit
more with Prometheus than the god, Uranus even though Uranus/Ouranos
was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit more with
Dionysus/Bacchus even though Neptune was the sea god. I looked at some
asteroid stuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said that it's
important to consider the orbital symbolism of the objects. Philip
Sedgwick takes into account the nodes and perihelion/aphelion of the
object.
Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan
Revilla, Zane Stein don't rely on the name of objects to derive
meaning from it.
Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted for
some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties. Nessus
was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm
this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008
"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a planet
with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One, consider
its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign interpretive
delineations by pondering the sign and degree of critical orbital
elements, specifically the node and closest point the body makes to
the Sun."
the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the Perihelion.
Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital
symbolism should be used to determine an object's astrological meaning
and not the name.
ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html
Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris
keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even
said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris
orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina"
were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological
names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the
discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be
astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don't agree on many things in
Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.
I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy
because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how
Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with
Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number.
Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are
equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was
classed as a planet but got it's planetary status stripped after the
realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt
between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto's planetary status is stripped
after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper
Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what
planet had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a
dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. Any
ways...Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so that's
one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal rights,
civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal rights
events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris can be
related to minority rights issues. Eris' Perihelion is in Libra seems
to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that Eris seems to
call for. Eris' Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the war, conflict,
aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing. Eris' North Node
in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can also be the
stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in society and
creates division between people. Eris' South Node in Scorpio seems to
reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also revenge, resentment that
often connection to division of humanity and linked to racism.
When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide
between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are
not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens
after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap
Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the
metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can
seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth.
Eris orbits well beyond Pluto, and so it can seem to relate to the
metaphysical, intensity, and transformation like I believe that all
the other kuiper objects do to some degree. Eris' orbit is more
unusual than Pluto for its not only it's more elliptical, but it is
tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar system.
Pluto's orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect that
Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being divergent.
Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those
things are connected to each other too.
It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide, interracial
relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections, interracial parentage it could be the multiracial. It
could even be international relations. It could be like
tolerance/intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities(not
necessarily race, ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation,
etc). It's the intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that
lead to equal/civil rights issues
Barack Obama is definitely an racial minority, he comes across as
divergent to many, and he seems to believe in acceptance/tolerance of
diversity, he comes from a family background that is diverse. He's a
civil rights lawyer.
Roy, Zane, Francisco, and Phil have some very good preliminary
keywords for Eris, and they go well beyond discord. The Eris research
that I did seem to support their keywords.
Roy MacKinnon's Eris' Keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority : with
great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose following a
path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding adversity -
alternatively refusing the call to transform with mediocrity and
underachievement as consequences: issues around power abuse of
minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks, multinational
countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash
of ideologies: conflict between desires of personality and pursuit of
the inner call: persecution of the spiritually aware person who stands
alone courageously acting according to conscience: an outstanding
individual ahead of the times.
Zane Stein's Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being
separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and
being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of
death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the
longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a
debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to
fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord;
pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and
tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or
abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a
competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is
being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems
resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different
perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth;
contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to
seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought
processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or
trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to
force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's
motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless
methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding,
swindling; society's ethics; race intent.
Francesco Schiavinotto's Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for
the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between
Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded;
Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological
Incompatibility; Underground Instability
It's Eris' Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue
to Eris' meaning
"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong, " Brown
said. "It really is just perfect." ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html
What really got me to think Eris in regards to race, racism is Eris'
Sabian Symbol in African Slavery Chart.
Eris in 11'14 Gemini......My Midheaven is in 11'14 Gemini which is
sextile my retrograde Chiron in 10'32 Aries, retrograde Eris in 12'15
Aries, my retrograde Africa in 11'15 Aries, and my retrograde Africano
in 12'38 Aries in 8th.................It shows a possible strong
Karmic connection to African Slavery whether as victim or perpetrator.
It also shows my strong connection to African Americans for my father
was an African American.
Discovery:
January 5, 2005
11:20 AM
Pasadena, California
source of .. http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/
The Following is from Lynda Hill's 360 DEGREES OF WISDOM which I
recommend for anybody who wants a clear understanding of the Sabian
Symbols without highly abstract interpretations.
12 Gemini
A BLACK SLAVE-GIRL DEMANDS HER RIGHTS OF HER MISTRESS
Keywords: Rising above-conditioning and limitations. Standing up for
one's self. Demanding better treatment. Seeking recognition and
self-respect. Being in charge of one's life. Breaking away from
oppression. Wanting a raise in pay or conditions. The need for
freedom. Desiring property and rewards. Rising up from an "underdog"
position or situation. The quest for identity.
The Caution: Feeling hard done by. Being demanding. Blaming others.
Bucking authority. Demanding to be recognized or noticed. Feeling used
and abused. Oppression and slavery. Jealousy and envy. Exploitation
You can see how minorities, African Americans, slavery, reparations,
affirmative action, welfare, and political correctness/incorrectness,
racial slurs, "Slavery is over....Get over it!" fits with that Sabian
Symbol. Advocacy also fits with that Sabian Symbol.
If you look at Eris' Discovery chart, The asteroids, White and Black
are in opposition within 1 degree and they are on the
Vertex-Antivertex axis within 1 degree. To me, that seems to have have
to do with race relations, racial divide..blacks and whites that can
complement or be at odds with each other.
Astronomical oriented Astrologers look at the placement of the object,
its nodes, and perihelion/aphelion axis to get insights about the
object........the orbital symbolism. Philip Sedgwick definitely does that
I check out the Sabian Symbols of the object, its nodes, and its
perihelion/aphelion
Eris in 19'45 Aries.....Stationary Direct
A YOUNG GRIL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER
Keywords: Nurturing innocence. Feeding energy to situations that feel
cold, hopeless and lost. Small efforts bringing their rewards.
Codependent relationships. Nurturing. Helping those less fortunate or
smaller. Taking time out for others. Doing things without thought or
reward. Enjoying nature. Trying to find friends or company. Bread and
water. Soup Kitchens. Counseling. Hot vs. Cold Weather
The Caution: Wanting to win approval. Creating dependence with others
that has to be maintained. Feeling bleak, lost and alone. The need to
continually rescue others. Doing anything in order to be liked.
Finding it difficult to stop giving. Not being able to say "no."
Feeling used and unrewarded.
Heliocentric North Eris Node in 5'58 Taurus
Taurus 6
A BRIDGE BEING BUILT ACRSS A HIGH NARROW GORGE
Keywords: Overcoming distance and separation. Endeavoring to build
continuity. Solving problems with creative solutions. Bridging
emotional chasms. Spanning gaps. Breaking down barriers. Structures
spanning distances between places of people.
The Caution: Taking the long way round to avoid asking for help. Using
short cuts to cut across the real issue. Only seeing the risks, not
the solutions to problems. The fear of establishing connetions. The
pervading sense that it could all fall through at any moment. Extreme
sports.
Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'58 Scorpio
Scorpio 6
A GOLD RUSH TEARS PEOPLE AWAY FROM THEIR NATIVE SOIL
Keywords: Strong desires to move on. The longing and the search for
easy fulfillment of hopes and dreams. Leaving one's native soil.
Having a cause or mission to pursue. Leaving home, people, family.
Dropping everything to chase a project. Pilgrimages. The search for
riches. Immigration and migration. Listen to clues. The search for the
Holy Grail. Pursuing a better life.
The Caution: Chasing the impossible dream. Losing everything. Being
unrealistic or opportunistic. Not being content with what one's got.
The grass being greener elsewhere. Lusting after rewards that may be
unreal or transitory. Risking what one has for what one could have.
Wild goose chases.
Eris Perihelion in 14'26 Libra
Libra 15
CIRCULAR PATHS
Keywords: Going round and round. The orbits of the planets. Cosmic
rhythms and cycles. The cycles of life. Things we feel we can trust.
The secure path that never really leads anywhere. Crop circles.
Realizing mistakes and learning from them. The wheels of progress.
Merry-go-rounds. Circular machinery. Mazes and labyrinths. Chaos
theory. Learning through repetition. Looking for somewhere to park.
The Caution: Being lost in abstractions or small details. Losing
perspective from going around and around. Addictive cycles that are
hard to get rid of. Boredom. Episodes that repeat themselves.
Repeating the same actions or mistakes. Treadmills. Habits are
self-defeating.
Eris Aphelion in 14'26 Aries
Aries 15
AN INDIAN WEAVING A BLANKET IN THE LIGHT OF THE SETTING SUN
Keywords: the fabric of one's being. Traditional pastimes and skills.
Weaving security and independence. Patience and gentle handcrafting.
Stories, especially those handed down. Tales and traditions.
Consideration of one's unique history. Weaving spinning looms. The
warp and weft of life. One's life story--past and present. Being
focused on one's tasks. Colors and dyes. Threads
The Caution: Underestimating skills of self-expression in comparison
with intellectual skills. Allowing dull routines to overcome. Feeling
one hasn't got much to contribute. Inability to apply to routine and
necessary tasks. Being too "full-time" about one's work. Feeling
insecure no matter what the situation. Selling off one's integrity.
Finding that it's too late in the day to get anything done. Not
knowing when to stop.
intolerance of diversity is the greatest problem on our planet.
The Presidential Race is making that apparent.
Raymond Andrews
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