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Glaucus
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posted May 09, 2008 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I believe that we are living in Eris times in regards to the diverse,divergent matters as well as bigotry,ethnicism,and ideology. Barack Obama happens to have Sun trine Eris with 1'48 orb and Sun contraparallel Eris with 26 minutes of arc, and so he has strong Eris influence and that reflects the theme of diversity,divergence in his life that is so apparent. Of course, it shows the bigotry,ethnicism,ideological issues that he's dealing with from others. His running for presidentical race brings out the truth about how many people are in America. He has developed a coalition of diversity, but he also has brought out the truth that many people have issues with strugging with diversity,divergence,and ideology. It has even led Hillary to show how much divisive,polarizing she really is.....it's not just the political parties, but also ethnicity. She's an ethnic baiter. She plays on the ethnic divide.

Hillary Clinton has Mercury sesquiquadrate Eris with 16 minutes of arc and Mercury parallel Eris with 16 minutes of arc,and that can indicates her communications could involve issues with diversity,divergence. A controversial communicator. She has Saturn sesquiquadrate Eris with 11 minutes of arc,and this can indicate possible restrictions,limitations involving issues with diversity,divergence. She has Ascendant sesquiquadrate Eris with 37 minutes of arc,and that can indicate a divergent personality with diversity issues. Her Mercury-Ascendant,Saturn,and Eris 8th harmonic triangle minor t-square indicates that she can be a controversial,divergent communicator,personality. It also suggests that there can be a person with a conservative ideology.


Transiting Eris is quincunx her Mercury exact! That indicates that diversity,divergence matters would be in conflict,strain with her communications. That indicates her divisiveness in the campaign in regards to race. Transiting Eris is quincunx her Ascendant with 19 minutes of arc applying, and that can indicate diversity,divergence matters would be in conflict,strain with her persona. She appears as very divisive and ethnic baiter to others. The Eris quincunx transits to her Mercury and Ascendant indicate that discord and strife is an issue with her right now. Her tactics have led to her undoing and is now forcing her to change her tactics.

Transiting Chiron is squaring her Mercury with 22 minutes applying, can indictate wounds,pain are in conflict with her communications. This can indicate that she can say painful things to others, but it can also indicate thoughts of her own pain. Transiting Chiron is opposing her Saturn with 17 minutes of arc, and that can indicate pain,wounding can bring about restrictions,limitations. Magi Society says that's "HEARTBREAK CLASH TRANSIT" and that is the worse Saturn clash transit that indicates great heartbreak,disappointment,and having a bad image. Transiting Chiron is squaring her Ascendant with 43 minutes of arc, and that indicates that she's a wounded person....a person who is in a lot of pain right now. Transiting Chiron is in a T-Square transit with her Mercury-Ascendant square Ascendant. This indicates that she's in a period of pain and being wounded. She's deeply hurt. I believe that indicates that the way she communicates has hurt her self image to others.

Transiting Mars is squaring her Sun,and that indicates assertiveness,passion in conflict,friction with her ego,self expression. This indicates that she can become more aggressive,angry. She can become more of a fighter but it can create more conflict with her. Transiting Mars is trining her Jupiter, and that indicates that assertiveness,passion is in harmony with her expansiveness. I believe that this indicates that she can be very optimistic,enthusiastic about her chances.

Transiting Jupiter sextile her Mercury with 58 minutes applying, and this indicates can opportunity to expand in communications. There can be optimistic thoughts, thinking that she has a chance. Transiting Jupiter sextile her Ascendant This would look favorable for her in regards to the next 2 primaries in West Virginia and Kentucky.
Transiting Jupiter is quincunx her Saturn with 1'03 orb applying,and that can indicate expansion conflict,string with structure. Magi Society calls it "Nuclear Clash Transit" ,and that is said to be the 2nd worst Saturn transit that indicate much misfortune.

of course, she's not going to drop out....not with those Mars,Jupiter transits......she will keep on fighting and have enthusiasm that she can still win.

Transiting Uranus is conjunct her Moon, and this indicates that her emotional nature is unpredictable and going through changes...certain emotional biases can suddenly come out....She could be emotional erratic. There is chance that she can feel liberated. Transiting Uranus is trining her Ascendant exact, and that seems to indicate the popularity that she has that helped people to vote for her.

Transiting Saturn is conjuncting her Midheaven, and this indicate that she's more ambitious and wants to get to the top. It can also indicate restrictions,limitations too. Transiting Saturn is sextiling her Sun,and that can indicate that she has an opportunity to has some discipline with her ego/self expression.....mainly self control.


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Luvly
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posted May 09, 2008 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks - I have a lot of similar placements to those of Hillary......Sun, Moon, Mars, forget what else, etc etc.....
Kind of great insight to read even though I was not your target.

I am finishing projects of my own and working hard for them........I actually feel re-energized since last night about working harder myself.......kind of interesting.....

I also support Hillary and don't want her to quit at all.

Interesting post.

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Glaucus
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posted May 09, 2008 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio and Moon in Pisces......all just like Hillary Clinton. I have Mars in a fixed sign like her....she has hers in Leo,and mine is in the opposite sign of Aquarius.

I am definitely not like her, and I am definitely not supporting her. I don't even like her because of her ethnic baiting and divisiveness. As a person who is son of white mother and black father, I find her tactics troubling and offensive. I support Barack Obama. I definitely want her to drop out because I want the Democratic Party united as soon as possible. The math is totally against her,and she now trails in super delegates.


I did a post on Ethnic Relations http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004073.html

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posted May 09, 2008 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solo_fish     Edit/Delete Message
Hillary Clinton for President!

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Jazzebel
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posted May 09, 2008 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jazzebel     Edit/Delete Message
Very sad that Hillary leaves.. sad that Obama stays.

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posted May 10, 2008 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I hope Obama gets through. I'm not an American but it seems to me the oligarchy thing is very unhealthy for any country, especially a country of some prominence. I think Obama will bring something fresh to America. So thats my humble opinion on the basis of what media coverage I've seen here.

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Agree totally with 23.

Obama all the way!

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Luvly
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posted May 10, 2008 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
I understand if you are not like her....

When I wrote that I have similar placements, I referred to - that because you mentioned transits or whatever they are called, I could read into them and interpret as I have some of the same placements. That's all.

I have certain similarities in personality but I'm also considered "sweet" and "beautifully charming" - maybe sun conjunct venus in my chart? So I don't get called being "dislikeable" as Hillary does by some - but I do have a strong personality and when I am focused on something, well, that becomes the #1 all - I can relate to her. Yet Anyway - I support her views, I think she is intelligent, phenomenal and very strong - someone I have confidence to handle the package it is to run this country - especially now when we are facing tons of issues.

I voted in FL - so Boo to that!! As my vote has not yet counted -

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Kat
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posted May 10, 2008 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I predict the republicans will be back in office again. It's time for the democrats to quit this division and make a strong united front. It's time to focus on McCain and his shortcomings and the shortcoming of having republicans in the office again.

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mblover
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posted May 10, 2008 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
Kat, I agree with you. Hillary needs to step down. Otherwise, McCain is already gaining momentum against Obama.

The best way for Democrats to win the Election is to select Hillary as a running mate.

Thank about you it - From Blue Collar White Workers to Women to African Americans to all in between will be united with this approach. I think this approach is already cooking - and - it has been thrown on News often.

We Need Change!

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bvanzy
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posted May 10, 2008 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not an American, but would have supported a Hillary candidacy as the best of a bad bunch. However, I did the chart of the day she announced and saw there was an unaspected Sun in the sky that day, not good news for her. John McCain's announcement to run for presidency, as I recall, was on a day with pretty great aspects.

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Glaucus
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posted May 10, 2008 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely don't care for Hillary any more. I have lost much respect because of her ethnic divisiveness. She comes off like she's more electable than Obama because she's white and she can get far more White Americans than Obama.

She said :
"Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me . . . There's a pattern emerging here."


The superdelegates aren't buying that. Obama has closed Hillary's lead in superdelegates.


also....
it must be remembered that Bill Clinton won the presidency in 1992 in three-way races with a grand total of 39 percent of the white vote and 83 percent of the black vote and 61 percent of the Hispanic vote and besting the first President Bush and Ross Perot among all age groups.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/art icles/2008/05/10/clintons_diminishing_of_black_voters/ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/opinion/10herbert.html

Also...Senator Obama had 8 years of legislature experience as Abraham Lincoln who became president. Abraham Lincoln was the member of the House of Representatives for 2 years. Obama has been a US senator for 2 years. They share the same amount of experience. Also Obama was a civil rights lawyer and community grassroots organizer too. Hillary Clinton was on the board of Walmart.

How did many people get on Arnold Schwarzeneggar for being governor without any political experience. What about Ronald Reagan. He was an actor and then became governor and then president. What makes Obama's inexperienced in politics. He's not stupid...he can learn about foreign policies.

He certainly isn't too young to be president. JFK was younger than him when he was elected.

Other things that annoy.....guilt by association,

I do feel that a President's personal life is important. After all, they say that character is important in a president. Bill Clinton showed poor character by having an affair in the White House,and lying to the people about it. He has been philandering throughout his many years of marriage. Hillary just stayed in the marriage....even after the Monica Lewinsky fiasco.

People say that she's a strong woman. Well....if she was a strong woman, why didn't she just divorce him? Why didn't she break ties with him? Is she really strong enough to stand on her own? She's even using Bill Clinton's legacy to argue her case why she should be president. Bill Clinton did questionable things as president including signing Nafta which she strongly was an advocate for,but she says it's not. She runs on the good things about her husband's presidency, but she chooses to not acknowledge the bad things about her husband's presidency .

Hillary said "You can't choose your family,but you can choose your pastor"

Obama should have said "You're right. You can't choose your family, but you can choose your husband"

Barack Obama gets slammed because his pastor(who was like an uncle to him) was making highly controversial remarks including pointing out that racism is alive and well which is true. There is research that anybody can do do that back up that racism is still a problem. Even President Bush acknowledged that racism is a problem to NAACP. American Civil Liberties Union even called out USA on its racism including issues like racial profiling. A lot of white preachers also made controversial remarks,but white politicians don't get condemned like a black preacher does.

of course....the double standards when it comes to White preachers and Black preachers are very irritating.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr spoke out against Vietnam and the racism in USA. I feel that too many whites are blind to race relations problem in America.

It really bothers me that Hillary plays the race relations issue card....she caters to white racists to rural areas. She's divisive,and a lot of people are seeing it.


Florida and Michigan held their primaries early and that was against the rules. So their votes didn't count.

The candidates agreed not to campaign there.

Now that Hillary is behind, she wants the rules changed. That's bullcrap. I don't see how Hillary's supporters would support her in regards to Florida and Michigan. Obama wasn't even on the ballot.


This stuff really really irritates me.


BTW.....if by some miracle, Hillary gets the nomination, I will vote for her reluctantly. After all,I am a liberal. I want the Democrats back in the White House.


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posted May 10, 2008 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
Obama WAS in the ballot in the state of Florida.
I know because I'm a registered Florida Democrat. So was Edwards.

It is each person't business whether or not to stay with a cheating spouse. TONS of people do it, it is actually more common than my notions were back in 1999 when I was in my early 20s and thought that a radical divorce was the answer - but then LIFE happened to me LOL and you know what, each person, each marriage is their own business for each couple. I've observed couple friends and have now worked in the real world and have encountered different circumstances and find that it is better to let others be with what they come to agree behind close doors.
I'm not going to go into the rest of the post.
Each candidate has positive points as well as negative points.

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posted May 10, 2008 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
But to be fair, my memory fails me on Edwards....that is, on Edwards being on the ballot in the state of Florida. But I guarantee you that Obama was

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posted May 10, 2008 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
From CNN site:

Sen. John McCain claimed victory in Florida's Republican primary, and Sen. Hillary Clinton took the state's Democratic contest
With most precincts reporting, McCain held a 36-31 percent lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was a distant third in the Republican contest
A Florida win gives McCain all 57 of the delegates at stake
Clinton had about 50 percent of the Democratic vote; Illinois Sen. Barack Obama was in second with 33 percent, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards was in third with 14 percent
The Democratic vote may have little impact on the presidential race, however, because the party's national leadership said it would not allow Florida's delegates to participate in the national convention because of a squabble over scheduling
Full Florida Results | Democratic Scorecard | Republican Scorecard

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Glaucus
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posted May 10, 2008 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Obama wasn't on the Michigan ballot.

They agreed to the rules that the primaries wouldn't count.

so why should Hillary make them count because she's losing????

don't play that.....it's fair card.


you can't just make rules and just change them because they don't suit you.


if you want to go there with the marriage private stuff,


people's church lives are private too. Church and State are supposed to be separate any way.

USA is not a christian country.....it's an interfaith country. We have freedom of religion here. But you wouldn't know when people's religious beliefs infringe on other's rights like to right to marriage which might violate their own religious beliefs.....maybe some homosexual couples believe in reincarnation and believe they were heterosexual couples in pastlives or believe that they were other genders in pastlives. I and many other people believe in reincarnation. Many of us do believe that we had pastlives as other genders and believe that the soul has no gender.


also Hillary runs on Bill Clinton's legacy. If the game of guilt by association is fair, then she can get called out by some of Bill Clinton's actions like he die lie under oath and to the American people,and he did have adultery in the White House. He also signed NAFTA which she strongly supported, and then goes and says that she's always opposed NAFTA. There are many scandals they've been involved in. Hillary Clinton got on Obama about his association with Ayers, but Bill Clinton pardoned terrorist radicals associated with Ayers too.

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bvanzy
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posted May 10, 2008 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
Democrats boast about their support among black people. Republicans constantly talk about their desire to win black support. If you do not believe that is divisive, then why should you find Hillary's statement about having more support than Obama with working class white people divisive?

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Glaucus
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posted May 10, 2008 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I don't agree with that either

but Hillary is trying to pull the ethnic divide card (she's white,and so she can get a lot more white people)
she can get hard working class americans....those white americans to vote for her.


Americans of all ethnicities are hardworking. Not just white.

Obama doesn't just get black votes. He gets a lot of white votes too. He isn't even all Black. He's half white. He gets all this crap about how he's where he is at because he's black. It's like they don't understand that he's half white too. That he understands white and black people and has affinity with them because of his heritage.
USA still persists with the one drop rule (if you're part black, you're black).


it shouldn't be condoned nor supported


She's been called out on it.

that crap is not being bought by the super delegates,and it shouldn't be.


like I said before

Bill Clinton didn't have 50 percent of white vote,but he got elected. He won with over 80 percent of the black vote and 60 percent of the Hispanic vote.

therefore, the argument about Hillary getting a lot more white voters and the working white class voters has little validity. That's the point that the columnist made.

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posted May 10, 2008 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
I was giving my opinion about the private stuff because it was brought up - it was brought up that if she was such a strong woman, then why did she stay with a man who cheated on her?
I was giving my opinion. Not everything is black and white in life. Ha!! That is coming from a Scorpio

Yet - Having said that:

I was raised Catholic and walked out of the Catholic church when a priest was preaching mass and said some things I did not agree with. I did not go back. I distanced myself and that was that. My soul could not possibly be fed by someone who to me was clearly myopic.

I leave it at that.

I won't keep posting about this but I will say that I'm glad that I support Hillary and still stand behind her even if her chances have decreased.
I don't really want to say anything negative about Obama as I don't think that is necessary. When all this came out about Wright, I actually stood back and thought to myself: Obama must have an understanding about him that obviously would not be visible in the headline news - - I left it at that.
I'm thankful that I have the ability to do that and not being small-minded and accuse him of things.

What is sad to me - BEYOND whether or not Hillary wins the nomination is the WAY in which she has been beat up by the media.
The media is so biased against Hillary and I cannot stand how these pundits just have their way addressing her publicly and completely disregarding her great campaign and hard work that has gotten her up to this point.

NY magazine has a great article online about Hillary Clinton and the feminist reawakening.....it is a fantastic article................for those interested.........and now I have to run and actually do something productive

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hillary is a bulldog that ate the 'smart cookie'

she won't be in the White House in a few month's time though.

A psychic friend of mine had a premonition that Hillary would be assassinated. (that's not why she won't be in the WH though)

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posted May 10, 2008 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Hillary is getting desperate and it showed with her remarks about being a better candidate because "hardworking Americans, white Americans..." are more likely to vote for her.

If Hillary felt she had to go there, then she shouldn't stop at that. She should also pull the "white woman" card and say that since her support is strong among white women who make up a larger group than other women in this country, that also makes her a better candidate. It's probably a matter of time before she says that. LOL!!

So, it has come to this. Hillary is no longer running on character, experience, vision, platform. She is now running on race, social class, and pretty soon will openly run on gender. It's all politics, baby!!!!

I don't know much about Eris, so I can't comment on it. I have said in another thread that she is dealing with a transit of Neptune opposing her natal Saturn and squaring her natal Mercury on and off throughout this year, and it shows. Her judgement is cloudy. She is experiencing the sheer terror of having the carpet pulled out from under her, and she can't understand why this is all happening. She can't let go as Pluto is almost sextiling her sun. And so she forges on, kicking and screaming down an uncertain path.

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posted May 10, 2008 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I did a lot of research on Eris.

Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those
things are connected to each other too.

I don't believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I
think that there is more to it. That's like saying Pluto is just about
the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the underworld. Juan
Revilla made good points that we can't just rely on the name of the
object for its astrological meaning. Uranus personality traits fit
more with Prometheus than the god, Uranus even though Uranus/Ouranos
was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit more with
Dionysus/Bacchus even though Neptune was the sea god. I looked at some
asteroid stuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said that it's
important to consider the orbital symbolism of the objects. Philip
Sedgwick takes into account the nodes and perihelion/aphelion of the
object.

Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan
Revilla, Zane Stein don't rely on the name of objects to derive
meaning from it.

Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted for
some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties. Nessus
was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm

this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008

"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a planet
with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One, consider
its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign interpretive
delineations by pondering the sign and degree of critical orbital
elements, specifically the node and closest point the body makes to
the Sun."

the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the Perihelion.


Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital
symbolism should be used to determine an object's astrological meaning
and not the name.

ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html

Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris
keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even
said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris
orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina"
were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological
names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the
discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be
astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don't agree on many things in
Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.

I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy
because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how
Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with
Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number.
Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are
equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was
classed as a planet but got it's planetary status stripped after the
realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt
between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto's planetary status is stripped
after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper
Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what
planet had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a
dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. Any
ways...Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so that's
one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal rights,
civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal rights
events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris can be
related to minority rights issues. Eris' Perihelion is in Libra seems
to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that Eris seems to
call for. Eris' Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the war, conflict,
aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing. Eris' North Node
in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can also be the
stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in society and
creates division between people. Eris' South Node in Scorpio seems to
reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also revenge, resentment that
often connection to division of humanity and linked to racism.

When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide
between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are
not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens
after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap

Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the
metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can
seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth.
Eris orbits well beyond Pluto, and so it can seem to relate to the
metaphysical, intensity, and transformation like I believe that all
the other kuiper objects do to some degree. Eris' orbit is more
unusual than Pluto for its not only it's more elliptical, but it is
tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar system.
Pluto's orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect that
Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being divergent.


Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those
things are connected to each other too.

It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide, interracial
relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections, interracial parentage it could be the multiracial. It
could even be international relations. It could be like
tolerance/intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities(not
necessarily race, ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation,
etc). It's the intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that
lead to equal/civil rights issues


Barack Obama is definitely an racial minority, he comes across as
divergent to many, and he seems to believe in acceptance/tolerance of
diversity, he comes from a family background that is diverse. He's a
civil rights lawyer.

Roy, Zane, Francisco, and Phil have some very good preliminary
keywords for Eris, and they go well beyond discord. The Eris research
that I did seem to support their keywords.

Roy MacKinnon's Eris' Keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority : with
great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose following a
path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding adversity -
alternatively refusing the call to transform with mediocrity and
underachievement as consequences: issues around power abuse of
minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks, multinational
countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash
of ideologies: conflict between desires of personality and pursuit of
the inner call: persecution of the spiritually aware person who stands
alone courageously acting according to conscience: an outstanding
individual ahead of the times.

Zane Stein's Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being
separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and
being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of
death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the
longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a
debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to
fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord;
pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and
tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or
abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a
competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is
being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems
resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different
perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth;
contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to
seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought
processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or
trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to
force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's
motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless
methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding,
swindling; society's ethics; race intent.

Francesco Schiavinotto's Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for
the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between
Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded;
Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological
Incompatibility; Underground Instability

It's Eris' Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue
to Eris' meaning

"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong, " Brown
said. "It really is just perfect." ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

What really got me to think Eris in regards to race, racism is Eris'
Sabian Symbol in African Slavery Chart.
Eris in 11'14 Gemini......My Midheaven is in 11'14 Gemini which is
sextile my retrograde Chiron in 10'32 Aries, retrograde Eris in 12'15
Aries, my retrograde Africa in 11'15 Aries, and my retrograde Africano
in 12'38 Aries in 8th.................It shows a possible strong
Karmic connection to African Slavery whether as victim or perpetrator.
It also shows my strong connection to African Americans for my father
was an African American.


Discovery:
January 5, 2005
11:20 AM
Pasadena, California

source of .. http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/


The Following is from Lynda Hill's 360 DEGREES OF WISDOM which I
recommend for anybody who wants a clear understanding of the Sabian
Symbols without highly abstract interpretations.

12 Gemini
A BLACK SLAVE-GIRL DEMANDS HER RIGHTS OF HER MISTRESS


Keywords: Rising above-conditioning and limitations. Standing up for
one's self. Demanding better treatment. Seeking recognition and
self-respect. Being in charge of one's life. Breaking away from
oppression. Wanting a raise in pay or conditions. The need for
freedom. Desiring property and rewards. Rising up from an "underdog"
position or situation. The quest for identity.

The Caution: Feeling hard done by. Being demanding. Blaming others.
Bucking authority. Demanding to be recognized or noticed. Feeling used
and abused. Oppression and slavery. Jealousy and envy. Exploitation


You can see how minorities, African Americans, slavery, reparations,
affirmative action, welfare, and political correctness/incorrectness,
racial slurs, "Slavery is over....Get over it!" fits with that Sabian
Symbol. Advocacy also fits with that Sabian Symbol.


If you look at Eris' Discovery chart, The asteroids, White and Black
are in opposition within 1 degree and they are on the
Vertex-Antivertex axis within 1 degree. To me, that seems to have have
to do with race relations, racial divide..blacks and whites that can
complement or be at odds with each other.

Astronomical oriented Astrologers look at the placement of the object,
its nodes, and perihelion/aphelion axis to get insights about the
object........the orbital symbolism. Philip Sedgwick definitely does that

I check out the Sabian Symbols of the object, its nodes, and its
perihelion/aphelion


Eris in 19'45 Aries.....Stationary Direct

A YOUNG GRIL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER

Keywords: Nurturing innocence. Feeding energy to situations that feel
cold, hopeless and lost. Small efforts bringing their rewards.
Codependent relationships. Nurturing. Helping those less fortunate or
smaller. Taking time out for others. Doing things without thought or
reward. Enjoying nature. Trying to find friends or company. Bread and
water. Soup Kitchens. Counseling. Hot vs. Cold Weather

The Caution: Wanting to win approval. Creating dependence with others
that has to be maintained. Feeling bleak, lost and alone. The need to
continually rescue others. Doing anything in order to be liked.
Finding it difficult to stop giving. Not being able to say "no."
Feeling used and unrewarded.


Heliocentric North Eris Node in 5'58 Taurus
Taurus 6
A BRIDGE BEING BUILT ACRSS A HIGH NARROW GORGE

Keywords: Overcoming distance and separation. Endeavoring to build
continuity. Solving problems with creative solutions. Bridging
emotional chasms. Spanning gaps. Breaking down barriers. Structures
spanning distances between places of people.

The Caution: Taking the long way round to avoid asking for help. Using
short cuts to cut across the real issue. Only seeing the risks, not
the solutions to problems. The fear of establishing connetions. The
pervading sense that it could all fall through at any moment. Extreme
sports.

Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'58 Scorpio
Scorpio 6
A GOLD RUSH TEARS PEOPLE AWAY FROM THEIR NATIVE SOIL

Keywords: Strong desires to move on. The longing and the search for
easy fulfillment of hopes and dreams. Leaving one's native soil.
Having a cause or mission to pursue. Leaving home, people, family.
Dropping everything to chase a project. Pilgrimages. The search for
riches. Immigration and migration. Listen to clues. The search for the
Holy Grail. Pursuing a better life.

The Caution: Chasing the impossible dream. Losing everything. Being
unrealistic or opportunistic. Not being content with what one's got.
The grass being greener elsewhere. Lusting after rewards that may be
unreal or transitory. Risking what one has for what one could have.
Wild goose chases.

Eris Perihelion in 14'26 Libra
Libra 15
CIRCULAR PATHS

Keywords: Going round and round. The orbits of the planets. Cosmic
rhythms and cycles. The cycles of life. Things we feel we can trust.
The secure path that never really leads anywhere. Crop circles.
Realizing mistakes and learning from them. The wheels of progress.
Merry-go-rounds. Circular machinery. Mazes and labyrinths. Chaos
theory. Learning through repetition. Looking for somewhere to park.

The Caution: Being lost in abstractions or small details. Losing
perspective from going around and around. Addictive cycles that are
hard to get rid of. Boredom. Episodes that repeat themselves.
Repeating the same actions or mistakes. Treadmills. Habits are
self-defeating.


Eris Aphelion in 14'26 Aries
Aries 15
AN INDIAN WEAVING A BLANKET IN THE LIGHT OF THE SETTING SUN

Keywords: the fabric of one's being. Traditional pastimes and skills.
Weaving security and independence. Patience and gentle handcrafting.
Stories, especially those handed down. Tales and traditions.
Consideration of one's unique history. Weaving spinning looms. The
warp and weft of life. One's life story--past and present. Being
focused on one's tasks. Colors and dyes. Threads

The Caution: Underestimating skills of self-expression in comparison
with intellectual skills. Allowing dull routines to overcome. Feeling
one hasn't got much to contribute. Inability to apply to routine and
necessary tasks. Being too "full-time" about one's work. Feeling
insecure no matter what the situation. Selling off one's integrity.
Finding that it's too late in the day to get anything done. Not
knowing when to stop.


intolerance of diversity is the greatest problem on our planet.

The Presidential Race is making that apparent.


Raymond Andrews


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posted May 10, 2008 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Glaucus for the Eris primer. I have seen many of your posts on it, but never really got into them as for whatever reason, I have some resistance to learning about Eris. When the time is right, I guess I'll study it in depth.

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I'm not an American, but would have supported a Hillary candidacy as the best of a bad bunch

Really? To me they seem like quite an interesting bunch, much more interesting than Kerry and Bush.

I was wondering about McCain. He seems to me to be a much more palatable form of Republicanism than Bush and other recent Republicans. I saw him on Jim Lehrer last year and was impressed by him. What do the American Knowflakes think?

PS My great fear is that they are grooming Chelsea...

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23, In my view, McCain is impressive. Especially, against Obama, he has made amazing criticism and remarks. I am expecting an outrageous negative campaigning once we enter the Obama vs. McCain Race. Timing for McCain is pretty bad because Americans are so tired of Bush and Republican Party. Obama will ignite young voters to vote, but these voters are mostly in Democratic states. "Hillary Democrats" are divided and some already have very high hatred towards Obama regardless of their being Democrat. So, there is a pretty good possibility that Obama will lose the presidential race regardless of Polls. It would be pretty bad for this country if Republicans come again. Expect more Wars, more Defense spending, Higher Deficits and Higher inflation! I will surely be hedging against American Dollar.

Giving non-astrological personal views here!

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