posted May 14, 2008 02:22 PM            

Saturn square Chiron

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posted May 15, 2008 08:43 AM            

Natally I have Chiron in my 7th house, conjunct my Dsc and square my MC-IC. It doesn't form any major aspect with Saturn. (It does form a minor square aspect. Astro lists it as a black rectangle with a half-triangle inside. I have no clue what aspect that is!)

But when I was about 11 and then again when I was 25, t.Saturn was first conjunct my IC and then my MC, and both times squared my Chiron. During both those times I was depressed. My connection to the world felt muffled, like everyone else couldn't really get in and I couldn't get out. Both times there were a few people I didn't feel that way with, but with most people I felt that way.

Depression runs in my family and I have minor feelings of depression from time to time, but nothing that lasts too long, and I'm able to keep those feelings at bay with certain techniques (regular exercise, healthy diet--Tom Cruise would love me! --and forcing myself to socialize even when I don't feel like it). So I'm personally familiar with a mild, sporadic version of depression, but during those 2 transits it was more intense and enduring.

For me, it was connected with my IC-MC axis and both times were times when I didn't feel like I was honestly expressing who I was socially. With time, both of those transits helped me become a better version of myself. They were tough times while they were occurring though.

You asked if we hid, and I did. During the transit when I was 11, I cut class a lot b/c I didn't want to be with other people. I felt like a phony at my school: In with the popular crowd, but the popular crowd was a bunch of rich snobs who treated the poor kids like cr@p (clear class line in that town). Meanwhile I was a poor kid myself but had other things going for me that made the rich popular kids think of me as one of them, not realizing I was poor.

During the transit when I was 25, I avoided socializing as much as possible and drank more often than I ever had. I didn't drink a lot (I'm blasted with 2 drinks), but I did it pretty regularly (3-4 times a week) for a couple months. I was pursuing the wrong career, but didn't want to admit it to myself and also didn't want to give up the glitz and status of where I was. Plus, the guaranteed professional security.

I want to reiterate though that these transits were ultimately for the best. I know you're asking about them as natal aspects not transits, but I think they could function similarly natally. It's just that in that case, they never let up. Maybe if I had Saturn conjunct my IC or MC natally and squaring my Chiron, I never would've put myself in situations where I wasn't really being myself in the first place, since that natal aspect would constantly be on my case to keep it real.

posted May 16, 2008 07:53 AM            

I think there's a lot of truth in that description blue moon quoted. Saturn square Chiron, when it's at its worst, can make you feel alone and that there's no place for you to honestly express yourself. So he may hide himself when he's feeling like that because he has to be alone to not feel like he's acting. Having Saturn on his MC accentuates the whole outsider feeling, I think, since it makes the external world seem so structured and fixed with no room for someone different.

posted May 16, 2008 02:58 PM              

Did you saw what are his transits?

Because,for example i am having the Saturn squaring my Kiron - and i do feel like that.

Right now Saturn is skuaring both my Jup/uranus/Kiron and conj wide my Sun/Venus.

Itīs called the heartbreack aspect - and while it is transiting,people affected by it tends to feel very depressed,alone,thinking that no one understands him/her.We dont really want to seek other people and tend to withdraw to our hidden places,in our Minds.