posted May 15, 2008 05:07 AM         

and even said
"Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government. "

Jeremiah Wright is no Dr. King, but he did speak out against foreign policy and the violence that US govt is all about.
In that way, he was similar to Dr. King.

Of course, Jeremiah Wright was no match for him.

"Beyond Vietnam"
Address delivered to the Clergy and Laymen
Concerned about Vietnam, at Riverside Church
4 April 1967
New York City
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKapr67.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U

I checked out Eris because his speech was controversial as he spoke out against the status quo and said things that many didn't want to hear. It definitely stir things up. He was diverged from the political norms. King was disowned by many of his supporters, was denounced as a traitor to the nation. Dr. King questioned the legitimacy of America's Cold War policies and assumptions. That led him to be viewed as a Communist sympathizer and put under surveillance by his own government. Obviously, Dr. King was viewed as Anti-American.

I also believe that Eris which I feel is connected to ideology and the believing that one's views are right but others are wrong has to do with exposing the selfrighteousness,hypocrisy that people have

using noon time because of unknown time

Direct Midpoints (both near and far)

Eris conjunct Mercury/Node midpoint - '36 applying
Ceres conjunct Eris/Node midpoint - '41 separating
Saturn oppose Chiron/Eris midpoint - '09 applying

Here is some interesting stuff:

Commentary: Race, faith and politics

(CNN) -- The revelation of controversial comments made by the longtime pastor of Sen. Barack Obama, and the equally hot aftermath from the general public that led to the junior senator from Illinois delivering a strong speech/sermon on race in America, has opened anew the explosive connection between three of the most volatile issues today.
If a poll were taken, there is no doubt that race, faith and politics would be the most emotional, passionate and divisive topics. Why? Because all three are so deeply personal. What one person sees as a negative, another would determine as a strength. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/21/roland.martin/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

Similarly, although King spoke famously against the Vietnam War before a largely white audience at Riverside Church in New York in 1967, exactly a year before he died, he reserved some of his strongest antiwar language for his sermons before black congregations. In his own pulpit at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, two months before his death, King raged against America's "bitter, colossal contest for supremacy." He argued that God "didn't call America to do what she's doing in the world today," preaching that "we are criminals in that war" and that we "have committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world." King insisted that God "has a way of saying, as the God of the Old Testament used to say to the Hebrews, 'Don't play with me, Israel. Don't play with me, Babylon. Be still and know that I'm God. And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power.' "

Perhaps nothing might surprise -- or shock -- white Americans more than to discover that King said in 1967: "I am sorry to have to say that the vast majority of white Americans are racist, either consciously or unconsciously." In a sermon to his congregation in 1968, King openly questioned whether blacks should celebrate the nation's 1976 bicentennial. "You know why?" King asked. "Because it [the Declaration of Independence] has never had any real meaning in terms of implementation in our lives."

In the same year, King bitterly suggested that black folk couldn't trust America, comparing blacks to the Japanese who had been interred in concentration camps during World War II. "And you know what, a nation that put as many Japanese in a concentration camp as they did in the '40s ... will put black people in a concentration camp. And I'm not interested in being in any concentration camp. I been on the reservation too long now." Earlier, King had written that America "was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race." http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/suncommentary/la-oe-dyson4apr04,1,1626213.sto ry

Jeremiah Wright is viewed as being racist and Anti-American???? Man.....Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said similar things. Does that make him racist and Anti-American????

I don't think so.

Raymond Andrews

posted May 15, 2008 01:17 PM         

my post was mainly about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's anti-Vietnam War speech,and that's why I have that as a title.

I looked up what Eris was doing during the day of that speech and I listed the midpoints involving Eris.

I checked out Eris because his speech was controversial as he spoke out against the status quo and said things that many didn't want to hear. It definitely stir things up. He was diverged from the political norms. King was disowned by many of his supporters, was denounced as a traitor to the nation. Dr. King questioned the legitimacy of America's Cold War policies and assumptions. That led him to be viewed as a Communist sympathizer and put under surveillance by his own government. Obviously, Dr. King was viewed as Anti-American.

I also believe that Eris which I feel is connected to ideology and the believing that one's views are right but others are wrong has to do with exposing the selfrighteousness,hypocrisy that people have

I like Astrology from the Sociological perspective and not just from the Psychological Perspective. I look at deep cultural issues and examine them through Astrology. I did many posts on Eris in regards to Civil Rights issues including a post about Civil Rights issues in Dr. King's day. Mu'Min Bey is a Black astrologer who is into sociological astrology,and he even looks at Astrology from the Black perspective like he will look at the Black American chart in transits and synastry to look at Black American issues and events. The Black American chart's Eris is exactly conjunct my Midheaven which can indicate that I have strong connection to Black America,and I am part black on my father's side.

the stuff after that was show the things that Dr. King said were similar to what Wright said

I also wanted to show that many people know Dr. King for his leading the civil rights movement but Dr King was known for criticizing American's foreign policy as well as calling out USA on its racism which Rev Wright did. I also said straight up that Rev Wright is no Dr. King because he is not as great and inspirational as him. So it would seem that if people knew that similar things were known about Dr King, then people would understand what Rev Wright was saying and that he's not necessarily Anti-American nor racist. If he is, then that would make Dr. King Anti-American and racist.

A lot of people get angry when people say things that they don't want to hear because the truth can hurt. Sometimes,people are afraid to say things. Therefore,they might keep things to themselves and say it in places where they feel safe like in a church.