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Topic: so if SATURN is the most important factor in commitment..
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heart cakes
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posted May 17, 2008 02:43 AM
 
then are we talking easy aspects (trines, sextiles) or just ANY aspects? and what about composite saturn? and is the person with the most aspects to their saturn more likely to commit, or least likely?
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GeminiLover75
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posted May 17, 2008 05:14 AM
From my experience, the easy Saturn aspects are just that - and the difficult ones are, well... difficult. For me a tough Saturn aspect in synastry makes things incredibly hard work and if wasn't for my own determination and my own Saturn placement, I would probably just walk away. The composite Saturn does seem to be important as well, AND don't forget transiting Saturn. Saturn transiting the composite DC for example, is pretty much a 'make or break' transit - if you can both get through it, then you are SOLID.  I also think that the person with the most aspects to their Saturn is more likely to commit than the person with the least - but it would depend on the rest of the synastry and the rest of the natal charts...IP: Logged |
Lana29865
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posted May 17, 2008 05:23 AM
You need some Saturn, but Saturn alone doesn't make the relationship...IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted May 17, 2008 02:55 PM
I seem to seek out hard SAturn-aspects to Sun or Moon as well in my lasting musical-crushs as in real life crushs and friendships.
Musicman 1:
My Saturn square his Sun
His SAturn conjunct my Moon (but very wide 7°)
my Saturn exactly sextile his Moon
Musicman 2:
his Saturn squares my Sun and Mercury
My newest musical interest:
his Saturn squares my Sun and Mercury
my longest lasting friendship:
Her Saturn oppose my Moon (5)
my Saturn squares her Moon (0)
My Saturn sextile her Sun (1)
my Saturn widely conjunct her ASC (7)
an email friendship, that has become a real friendship and lasted for over 4 years now:
My Saturn conjunct her ASC (2)
my Saturn quinkunx her Sun (2)
Her Saturn conjunct my Moon (3)
IN a gay relationship that lasted for about 10 years:
Mars conjunct Saturn
My parents (have been married for 34 years now)
His Saturn conjunct her Mars (5)
Her Saturn conjunct his Mars (0)
His Saturn conjunct her Venus (1)
My conclusions:
Speaking for myself an my friends and family, Saturn-aspects are definitely difficult and need a lot of work, but it`s relaly hard to just walk away from these relationships. IN a way it feels as if one doesn`t have a choice but to work on the issues together, stick together, through thick and thin.
But that doesn`t meant that you don`t daydream sometimes of just walking away and leaving the responsibility behind, cut those binding ties.
But deep inside you can`t do that, at least not without leaving a part of yourself behind.
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Lara
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posted May 17, 2008 02:59 PM
My parents (have been married for 34 years now)
His Saturn conjunct her Mars (5)
Her Saturn conjunct his Mars (0)
His Saturn conjunct her Venus (1)WOW DD, this is so interesting. I was so depressed when l saw my synastry with my b/f and we had his saturn conjunct my mars (0)
my saturn trine his mars (1)
his saturn semi-sextile my venus (0) Now i've read your post i'm so HAPPY!!  IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 17, 2008 03:04 PM
Hi.
Just interested to know for those of you who have strong Saturn aspects likethe previously mentioned is Saturn a personal planet or the planets being aspected by Saturn, are they personal planets for anyoone?IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
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posted May 17, 2008 03:21 PM
Quinnie,what do you mean?
Do you mean, if those planets rule or fall into personal houses? It is definitely the case with my friends: both have Capricorn-DSC and Cancer-ASC.
My Mum is alsso a Capricorn DSC. With me this is not the case. Saturn rules my 2nd house; but it is placed in the 8th house.
Moon rules my 8th house.
Sun rules my 9th house and falls into my 1st house conjunct the DSC-ruler. Did you mean something like this? IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted May 17, 2008 03:24 PM
Lara,In your case I think Saturn can even be helpful.
You are in a long distance relationship, so it could be very positive to have some extra-stabilizing influence.
I wouldn`t worry about Saturn.
Of course there is sometimes TOO much Saturn; for example when you have some squares and oppositions with Saturn WITHOUT having some love-aspects like Sun-Venus,Moon-Venus,Sun-Moon etc. DD IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 17, 2008 03:29 PM
Yes that would personalise Saturn.
Also For you Dark Dreamer
If your Sun Moon or asc is Capricorn that would make Saturn a personal planet like the Sun, Moon or ascenant is personal."Musicman 1:
My Saturn square his Sun
His SAturn conjunct my Moon (but very wide 7°)
my Saturn exactly sextile his Moon Musicman 2:
his Saturn squares my Sun and Mercury
My newest musical interest:
his Saturn squares my Sun and Mercury
my longest lasting friendship:
Her Saturn oppose my Moon (5)
my Saturn squares her Moon (0)
My Saturn sextile her Sun (1)
my Saturn widely conjunct her ASC (7)
an email friendship, that has become a real friendship and lasted for over 4 years now:
My Saturn conjunct her ASC (2)
my Saturn quinkunx her Sun (2)
Her Saturn conjunct my Moon (3)
IN a gay relationship that lasted for about 10 years:
Mars conjunct Saturn"
"seem to seek out hard SAturn-aspects to Sun or Moon as well in my lasting musical-crushs as in real life crushs and friendships." Do you have Leo or Cancer Sun, Moon or ascendant? Also for your mum and dad do they have Libra or Aries Sun Moon ascendant/desc, IC/Mc? IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted May 17, 2008 03:43 PM
I hear ya DD although l just checked out my synastry with my ex husband (with whom l had THE shitiest relationship of my life with) and we had these aspects!his saturn conjunct my
moon
venus
NN
trine my AC my saturn conjunct his
sun
mercury
saturn
NN
trine his MC LOL
we also had the nice aspects like
sun conjunct venus
sun conjunct mars
no venus/mars aspects
venus quincunx pluto
NO squares or oppositions to saturn at all interesting how we really got on each other's nerves and nearly ended up killing each other! IP: Logged |
artemisss
Knowflake Posts: 218
From: NY, NY, USA
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted May 17, 2008 04:14 PM
the composite chart for my ex and i, had the following in the 8th house
Venus conjunct Saturn
Mercury conjunct Saturn
Saturn conjunct Pluto
Moon sextile Saturn
it was a 2 yr relationship and i thought we would be together forever! maybe we will..who knows!
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Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
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posted May 17, 2008 04:23 PM
my ex husband's composite and mineSATURN IN 7th (what is it with me and Saturn in 7th!!!)
conjunct venus/mercury/NN
square moon
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darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
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posted May 17, 2008 04:32 PM
Quinnie,I don`t have any signs in Leo or Cancer (except for Saturn itself).
Sun is in my 1st house - but it is not conjunct ASC.
My Venus is in Capricorn though, does that still count?
I also like men with Earth-Venus, mostly in Capricorn itself. It happened too often to be a coincidence. In the case of my parents: My Mum has
Scorpio-Sun, Virgo-Moon, Cancer-ASC. Nothing in Capricorn. My Dad has
Aquarius-Sun, Taurus-Moon, Virgo - ASC.
B'UT Saturn is exactly conjunct his ASC and the ruler of his ASC, Mercury, is in Capricorn. IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted May 17, 2008 04:45 PM
saturn and jupiter are neither personal planets nor outer planets i believe but not too sure...saturn and jup are opposing energies in that saturn restricts and jup expands or something similarditto the heaviness with saturn aspects...u cant leave because u feel u are leaving sthing unfinished, messy, not properly cleaned...at least is how i feel with this aries bloke with whom i have composite sun conj saturn and LOTS of saturn squares. but all these posts show "soft" aspects, with this j******** in only have hard  IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 17, 2008 04:47 PM
DDI was just wondering if Saturn was a personal planet would it make it more significant in synastry. If you find you have astrological patterns with Saturn in crushes/relationships (ie you are attracted to those who make hard aspects to your Saturn and vice versa)is that a necessary thing, that synastry should have Saturn contacts or just to do with the fact that Saturn is a personal planet or part of a configuration or sensitive point in the chart.
But in hearing this I think Saturn is just a necessary glue for anyone's synastry chart.
My partner's saturn trines my Moon and thats about it. My Saturn doesn't seem to make any connections with his chart and yet we are in a long term relationship. Maybe it doesn't even matter whether the aspects to saturn are hard or easy because the nature of Saturn is tough but durable... needing time to play out (with time comes experience of good and bad) IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 17, 2008 05:07 PM
winky_winkySaturn will become a personal planet if Capricorn is the Sun, Moon or ascendant because it becomes a ruler of either.
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winky_winky
Knowflake Posts: 574
From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted May 17, 2008 05:49 PM
QUINNIE may i ask which orb do u have with this moon trine saturn aspect? just saying so because it is also one of the few aspcts i have with this crush and not much more saturn business...Also i wonder how u feel this has played out in ur rship as saturn contacts whether good or bad, tend to imply a heaviness which is most noticeable, but i think i have read nonetheless that moon trine sat is quite nice................ IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 17, 2008 06:02 PM
Hi winky!0 degree orb, it's nearly exact.
His Saturn at 8 degree Libra trine my moon in Aquarius at 8degrees also. It's a nice combo. I feel it's like a glue because all the other aspects in our synastry can be wild!!! His venus square my Uranus for example.
I read before that it's a very practical aspect, that the moon is like the mother who provides the nurturing and the Saturn is the father/bread winner. So far it has played out that way. We make a good team and can rely on each other in this respect. I'm the mum who cooks the meals etc and argues with him over doing his share of the cleaning.
He is the worker at the moment while I look after the babies.
I've always felt safe with him as in he will protect me physically and I add teh feminine touch and give out the affection. It's not in your face but very traditional aspect as far as i have experienced IP: Logged |
comica23
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From: Portugal
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posted May 17, 2008 08:32 PM
- To know how Saturn aspect is important to each person in a synastry chart, we can take a look at how Saturn is aspected in each of their natal charts. If Saturn is well aspected, then the owner of the chart deals well with seriousness; if not, then the owner has problems of seriousness (so even if this person's Saturn is well aspected in synastry, in the end this person might run away when things gets too serious for him/her). Check out which house Saturn rules as well (it's specially important if it's the ruler of AC/DC).- Saturn might not be as nice as Venus or Moon, but it does bring seriousness and responsibility, and also helps things to be more stable. After all, it takes a bit of everything in order to make a relationship work well. - Saturn in the composite chart points out where the seriousness of a relationship lies (depending on which house it is), and also how it manifests (depending on what aspect it forms). IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: London
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posted May 17, 2008 09:01 PM
Hey Quinnie and Winky,I have moon/saturn trine 1deg with my man too... it's nice and gentle. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 18, 2008 03:33 PM
Hi Lara...
Is it your moon aspecting his Saturn or vice versa?It's a nice stabilizer. Funny how you really get a feel for aspects and their energy. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted May 18, 2008 04:00 PM
HiMy moon is trine his saturn (1)
his saturn is semi sextile my moon (2) IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 18, 2008 04:16 PM
I don't necessarily think that the saturn person is the committal one, my hunny's Saturn stabilised my Moon but we are both equally committed.Linda says that Saturn occurs when a lesson needs to be learnt and the person doing the teaching is the Saturn person. Certainly I think that in my relationship I would say that my hummy was the more mature and knowledgeable about relationships in general (although this doesn't make him any more of a mature person than I lol) just a little more worldly about what a good relationship needs. This may have more to do with his Saturn being in Libra though. He is very sure of his expectations IP: Logged |
Green Fairy
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posted May 18, 2008 08:28 PM
Are Saturn/angle aspects "stabilizing" enough?IP: Logged |
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