posted May 25, 2008 10:24 AM         

Now it scares me to hell. I'm currently with another whose Chiron also oppose my Saturn. (even my Chiron also oppose his Saturn gosh)

Help plzzz Thanks a lot sweeties

i got this off http://www.configurationhunter.com/astrology-online/free-synastry.php

S Sun conjunction Sun 8 Pisces 50'17" 13 Pisces 52'38" 5.03
A Sun conjunction Mercury 8 Pisces 50'17" 3 Pisces 19'45" 5.52
S Sun sextile Neptune 8 Pisces 50'17" 7 Capricorn 38'44" 1.2
A Sun trine Pluto 8 Pisces 50'17" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 1
S Moon conjunction Sun 8 Pisces 5'13" 13 Pisces 52'38" 5.78
A Moon conjunction Mercury 8 Pisces 5'13" 3 Pisces 19'45" 4.77
S Moon sextile Neptune 8 Pisces 5'13" 7 Capricorn 38'44" 0.45
A Moon trine Pluto 8 Pisces 5'13" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 1.75
S Mercury conjunction Sun 8 Pisces 20' 7" 13 Pisces 52'38" 5.53
A Mercury conjunction Mercury 8 Pisces 20' 7" 3 Pisces 19'45" 5.02
S Mercury sextile Neptune 8 Pisces 20' 7" 7 Capricorn 38'44" 0.7
A Mercury trine Pluto 8 Pisces 20' 7" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 1.5
S Venus conjunction Venus 26 Capricorn 5'20" 1 Aquarius 57'19" 5.87
S Venus sextile Pallas 26 Capricorn 5'20" 0 Sagittarius 4'37" 3.98
S Mars conjunction Mars 5 Taurus 4'19" 8 Taurus 31' 4" 3.45
A Mars opposition Pluto 5 Taurus 4'19" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 4.77
S Mars conjunction Vesta 5 Taurus 4'19" 0 Taurus 26'22" 4.63
S Jupiter sextile Venus 29 Pisces 20'25" 1 Aquarius 57'19" 2.62
S Jupiter square Uranus 29 Pisces 20'25" 26 Sagittarius 24'19" 2.93
S Jupiter square Ceres 29 Pisces 20'25" 27 Sagittarius 7'44" 2.22
S Jupiter trine Pallas 29 Pisces 20'25" 0 Sagittarius 4'37" 0.73
S Saturn square Sun 20 Sagittarius 21'32" 13 Pisces 52'38" 6.48
S Saturn conjunction Saturn 20 Sagittarius 21'32" 20 Sagittarius 35'37" 0.23
S Saturn conjunction Uranus 20 Sagittarius 21'32" 26 Sagittarius 24'19" 6.05
S Saturn opposition Chiron 20 Sagittarius 21'32" 15 Gemini 53'53" 4.47
S Saturn conjunction Ceres 20 Sagittarius 21'32" 27 Sagittarius 7'44" 6.77
S Uranus conjunction Saturn 26 Sagittarius 16'37" 20 Sagittarius 35'37" 5.68
S Uranus conjunction Uranus 26 Sagittarius 16'37" 26 Sagittarius 24'19" 0.13
S Uranus conjunction Ceres 26 Sagittarius 16'37" 27 Sagittarius 7'44" 0.85
A Neptune sextile Mercury 7 Capricorn 32'30" 3 Pisces 19'45" 4.22
S Neptune conjunction Neptune 7 Capricorn 32'30" 7 Capricorn 38'44" 0.1
A Neptune sextile Pluto 7 Capricorn 32'30" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 2.3
S Neptune opposition Lilith 7 Capricorn 32'30" 11 Cancer 21'50" 3.82
S Pluto trine Sun 9 Scorpio 53'50" 13 Pisces 52'38" 3.98
S Pluto opposition Moon 9 Scorpio 53'50" 15 Taurus 50'59" 5.95
A Pluto trine Mercury 9 Scorpio 53'50" 3 Pisces 19'45" 6.57
S Pluto square Venus 9 Scorpio 53'50" 1 Aquarius 57'19" 7.93
S Pluto opposition Mars 9 Scorpio 53'50" 8 Taurus 31' 4" 1.37
S Pluto sextile Neptune 9 Scorpio 53'50" 7 Capricorn 38'44" 2.25
A Pluto conjunction Pluto 9 Scorpio 53'50" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 0.05
S Pluto trine Lilith 9 Scorpio 53'50" 11 Cancer 21'50" 1.47
S Pluto opposition Pholus 9 Scorpio 53'50" 13 Taurus 33'17" 3.67
S Pluto square Juno 9 Scorpio 53'50" 5 Aquarius 40'26" 4.22
A North Node conjunction North Node 13 Aries 25'28" 13 Aries 9'31" 0.27
S North Node square Lilith 13 Aries 25'28" 11 Cancer 21'50" 2.07
S North Node sextile Chiron 13 Aries 25'28" 15 Gemini 53'53" 2.47
S Lilith sextile Moon 10 Cancer 48' 5" 15 Taurus 50'59" 5.03
S Lilith sextile Mars 10 Cancer 48' 5" 8 Taurus 31' 4" 2.28
S Lilith opposition Neptune 10 Cancer 48' 5" 7 Capricorn 38'44" 3.17
A Lilith trine Pluto 10 Cancer 48' 5" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 0.97
A Lilith square North Node 10 Cancer 48' 5" 13 Aries 9'31" 2.35
S Lilith conjunction Lilith 10 Cancer 48' 5" 11 Cancer 21'50" 0.55
S Lilith sextile Pholus 10 Cancer 48' 5" 13 Taurus 33'17" 2.75
S Chiron opposition Saturn 15 Gemini 50'24" 20 Sagittarius 35'37" 4.75
A Chiron sextile North Node 15 Gemini 50'24" 13 Aries 9'31" 2.68
S Chiron conjunction Chiron 15 Gemini 50'24" 15 Gemini 53'53" 0.05
S Pholus conjunction Moon 13 Taurus 11'40" 15 Taurus 50'59" 2.65
S Pholus conjunction Mars 13 Taurus 11'40" 8 Taurus 31' 4" 4.67
A Pholus opposition Pluto 13 Taurus 11'40" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 3.35
S Pholus sextile Lilith 13 Taurus 11'40" 11 Cancer 21'50" 1.83
S Pholus conjunction Pholus 13 Taurus 11'40" 13 Taurus 33'17" 0.37
S Ceres conjunction Saturn 25 Sagittarius 42'55" 20 Sagittarius 35'37" 5.12
S Ceres conjunction Uranus 25 Sagittarius 42'55" 26 Sagittarius 24'19" 0.7
S Ceres conjunction Ceres 25 Sagittarius 42'55" 27 Sagittarius 7'44" 1.42
A Pallas square Mercury 29 Scorpio 21'30" 3 Pisces 19'45" 3.97
S Pallas sextile Venus 29 Scorpio 21'30" 1 Aquarius 57'19" 2.6
S Pallas conjunction Pallas 29 Scorpio 21'30" 0 Sagittarius 4'37" 0.72
S Juno conjunction Venus 3 Aquarius 47'47" 1 Aquarius 57'19" 1.83
A Juno square Pluto 3 Aquarius 47'47" 9 Scorpio 50'34" 6.05
S Juno sextile Pallas 3 Aquarius 47'47" 0 Sagittarius 4'37" 3.72
S Juno conjunction Juno 3 Aquarius 47'47" 5 Aquarius 40'26" 1.88
S Vesta conjunction Vesta 28 Aries 26'15" 0 Taurus 26'22" 2

I'm not really good at reading chart so I thought i have the Venus-Chiron aspect/linkage with him but cant find it on the above website. Strange...

posted May 25, 2008 11:04 AM         

As you've walked down this street before, you will have a better idea of how to handle it. If you see what I mean?

You must be close in age.

posted May 25, 2008 11:05 AM         

A suggestion: meditate on the old saying “don’t believe everything you read.”

Magi’s interpretation of Saturn/Chiron aspects is not the only one out there. I find Magi a bit harsh, sensationalistic and black’n’white, even though they do have good observations.

Please read Barbara Hand Clow or Martin Lass on Chiron before you continue on cultivating paranoia Saturn/Chiron can be a difficult interaspect, but if you are attracting these people into your life it means you have something to learn from them (and they from you)…..

Here’s Martin Lass on the opp, although this is natal it can be informative for synastry too:

"After Chiron conjunct Saturn, Chiron opposition Saturn is perhaps the most difficult of the Chiron-Saturn aspects. Saturn’s power to hold us in one place )until we begin to take responsibility for our lives and attend to our healing journey_ is somewhat broken down here. The reason for his is that the opposition aspect gives us a place we can run to when things get too difficult or painful, gives us an alternative, and gives us the power to challenge, reject, and/or disagree with what is thrown our way.

In practice, when things get to difficult or painful, we tend to run in the opposite direction – in this case, towards Saturn. We batten down the natches, taking up conservative values, acting conservatively, and opting for conservative situations. We tend to fall back on what we know workds, even if it is stifling to do so. After a time, though, finding ourselves too limited, restricted, held back, held down, and suppressed in our life’s expression, we run the other way again – in this case, back into our wounds and issues. This tick-tocking catalyzes and facilitates our healing and evolution of consciousness by ever impelling us to look at our issues and wounds.

On the one hand, we may tend to see our limitations, restrictions, suppression, and repression as being caused by others – for example, the expression of “father” and/or authority issues. Here, our path requires the healing of blame and judgment by seeing how these things served us in many ways, not the least of which was to contribute to us being who we are today.

On the other hand, we may tend to hold ourselves back – to restrict, limit, and repress ourselves – because the alternative is having to deal with our wounds, which we are not necessarily ready to do. This latter case can lead to conservatism, pragmatism, and hardnosed attitudes towards others and ourselves. We can tend to be hard taskmasters, in whyich case we are effectively becoming our “fathers.”

Either way, if we are willing to work with our wounds and issues, Saturn offers unparalleled support. Saturn is the gatekeeper, guarding the entrance to the outer planets – egven guarding the doorway to Chiron until we are ready to take responsibility for our lives. This said, the key to this aspect’s resolution lies in giving up blame and in taking personal responsibility for our lives, our issues, and our wounds.

When combined with other “easier” and significan Chiron aspects, this aspectt can be a welcome addition to the charts of people wishing to pursue a healing path – for themselves and/or for others."

(From Martin Lass, “Chiron, Healing Body and Soul”)

Here’s a favorite astrological quote of mine –
From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

posted May 25, 2008 11:12 AM         

If that time of birth is accurate you both have Pisces Sun/Pisces Rising. You aren't going to run into that everyday, so that has the potential to be a strong tie. Then whilst you have Pisces Moon, they have Taurus Moon. Those signs are sextile, even if they aren't in that exact aspect here. But that means they can work well together. The moon is exalted in the sign of Taurus so they are going to be able to be sympathetic with your feelings.

posted May 25, 2008 11:26 AM         

@blue moon: you just gave me a confidence boost thank you lovely :x

@Azalaksh: *huggggggggggggggss* i'm actually speechless at what you wrote. it's indeed very true

quote:

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Please read Barbara Hand Clow or Martin Lass on Chiron before you continue on cultivating paranoia Saturn/Chiron can be a difficult interaspect, but if you are attracting these people into your life it means you have something to learn from them (and they from you)…..

Here’s Martin Lass on the opp, although this is natal it can be informative for synastry too:

"After Chiron conjunct Saturn, Chiron opposition Saturn is perhaps the most difficult of the Chiron-Saturn aspects. Saturn’s power to hold us in one place )until we begin to take responsibility for our lives and attend to our healing journey_ is somewhat broken down here. The reason for his is that the opposition aspect gives us a place we can run to when things get too difficult or painful, gives us an alternative, and gives us the power to challenge, reject, and/or disagree with what is thrown our way.

In practice, when things get to difficult or painful, we tend to run in the opposite direction – in this case, towards Saturn. We batten down the natches, taking up conservative values, acting conservatively, and opting for conservative situations. We tend to fall back on what we know workds, even if it is stifling to do so. After a time, though, finding ourselves too limited, restricted, held back, held down, and suppressed in our life’s expression, we run the other way again – in this case, back into our wounds and issues. This tick-tocking catalyzes and facilitates our healing and evolution of consciousness by ever impelling us to look at our issues and wounds.

On the one hand, we may tend to see our limitations, restrictions, suppression, and repression as being caused by others – for example, the expression of “father” and/or authority issues. Here, our path requires the healing of blame and judgment by seeing how these things served us in many ways, not the least of which was to contribute to us being who we are today.

On the other hand, we may tend to hold ourselves back – to restrict, limit, and repress ourselves – because the alternative is having to deal with our wounds, which we are not necessarily ready to do. This latter case can lead to conservatism, pragmatism, and hardnosed attitudes towards others and ourselves. We can tend to be hard taskmasters, in whyich case we are effectively becoming our “fathers.”

Either way, if we are willing to work with our wounds and issues, Saturn offers unparalleled support. Saturn is the gatekeeper, guarding the entrance to the outer planets – egven guarding the doorway to Chiron until we are ready to take responsibility for our lives. This said, the key to this aspect’s resolution lies in giving up blame and in taking personal responsibility for our lives, our issues, and our wounds.

When combined with other “easier” and significan Chiron aspects, this aspectt can be a welcome addition to the charts of people wishing to pursue a healing path – for themselves and/or for others."

(From Martin Lass, “Chiron, Healing Body and Soul”)

Here’s a favorite astrological quote of mine –
From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

---

i learned a lot from my first, that is including accepting him for who he is, putting aside hatred and all to be closest friends again. it took me a long time but it was really worth it. however, i just don't wanna repeat the same disastrous breakdown-up with my current..I guess the best thing is be positive and treat this so called hard aspect as some challenge needed to be fought and is REWARDING in the end...

your words are really inspiring.

lots of love and bless you ^___^

posted May 25, 2008 07:19 PM         

I tried looking up Martin Lass's "Chiron conj Saturn" online, but couldn't find it. Can you throw me a link?

Thanks a ton!

posted May 26, 2008 03:21 PM         

yayyyy, finally i found someone who is water all over lolz. for me, all of these pisces influences make me feel overly emotional and ultra sensitive =________= i have tried to fix myself a lot to adapt to ...well, others lolz. at the same time i feel blessed somehow because i 'feel' that i am really open, sympathetic etc..thats why i get a long with almost everyone and learn from them

the positive effects multiple and so do the negative effects lolz. I am prone to chronic depression and sorta bipolar. really indecisive at times and always changing, either my career, majors or my images.