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posted June 07, 2008 02:32 PM         

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sofar i've known three pretty intimately and god they drive me nuts. one was a long term boyfriend who was a liar and a cheater. very selfish and argumentative. i think this had a lot to do with his aries moon though (widely conjunct SN). he is harsh and rude and argumentative to this day. but he really PUSHES his **** on you; recycles his lies and shoves them down your throat even though he knows he's lying (i hope!). the other two, i like in general, but i find them quite picky and slightly argumentative as well. highly critical. of everyone and everything.

maybe it is my sag ascendant, or my saturn in virgo. but i can't STAND this energy. it drives me kookoo! i can't see the good in hating the world! that's what all three of these people seem to have in common. a general dislike for pretty much everything, and a reason to complain almost non stop. well, one of them doesn't hate the world but he insisted that i constantly listen to HIS way of processing EVERYTHING and he was extremely meticulous and certain that he was right and that most of my beliefs were garbage and he had to set me straight.

arg. i just find them unrelenting in this regard and i wonder what on earth i'm missing. there must be some great ones out there, or maybe i'm missing some of their finer points. i just find we sort of clash because my sag rising wants to expand, be jovial, approach new things with zest and excitement and then i get this swift "that's stupid" energy coming from the virgo risings in my life and i just feel so.. restricted. and bummed. and also kind of sad for them. it almost seems like a prison of pessimism.

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posted June 07, 2008 03:05 PM         

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heart cakes - I always relate to your topics. So, like fish in a pond, I caught the bait. lol

Well, I don't have a problem with Virgo rising because it goes with my rising sign Scorpio and both Virgo and Scorpio can get obsessive and we both have a somewhat difficult criteria for people to pass. honour, morals and all those things fair high in out lists! Yes, lists!

Also, my Venus and Sun are Virgo, so a lot of their little annoying mannerisms are things that I understand but things I am probably not too hung up about. The thing is, personal experience also plays a huge part and had I lived a different life, I am sure that I would be hard on people; but because my life has been less than perfect, the more I live, the more I let things not bother me... some things... not all.

You see, Virgo Asc has to always appear together or else all hell breaks loose. They must appear to have their lives in order, to have their heads in order and basically, they must project a certain air of... perfection? They are more critical of themselves than they are of people (which, my dear means that these people are hyper-critical).

They are the poster child for the saying, "One does not need to be perfect to speak of perfection" and I think once you understand that saying, you will understand the Virgo Rising because they themselves are far from perfect but they have a good idea of what "perfection" is supposed to be.

Are they idealistic? Judgmental? Maybe, but not from an evil place. They come off as these party-poopers who sit on a high horse but their complaints and criticisms come from genuine concern, believe it or not. Tom Cruise is a Virgo Asc if I am not mistaken and look at how he berated Brook Shields about post natal depression?

This critical and impossible standard to reach comes from some deep place of love, care and the need to be helpful to those they interact with, to help people who do not see the follies of their ways. They don't want someone going off the rails on their watch. No. That would be irresponsible of them if they let us dumb humans get away with our stupidity. So, they have to tell us how it should be done because we certainly have no idea how its done, because they know better.

heart cakes - you also said aggro? No. I think that is an Aries influence, maybe that Aries Moon you spoke of.

Also, coming from a Virgo, when Virgo worries, Virgo gets irritable. So, if they become worried due to uncertainty, insecurity, or fear - the result is not to crawl into a fetal position and cry. No. We handle stress by being critical, sharp tongued, by being "brutally" honest, and by disengaging from the issue slightly and becoming obsessive a little about the perfection of it all.

Oh, and don't, I mean, DO NOT criticize them. They have that covered on their own so they don't need you adding to their anxieties. They, like me, usually know the things to be criticized about the self before another person comes and criticizes. So, the redundancy of criticism is irritating.

I hope that was something good.

Good quality: Genuine concern, being helpful and being of service, and taking care of the job that other people would rather not do.

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posted June 07, 2008 03:48 PM         

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Hi Heart cakes !

hey i am virgo rising sun in aries, i am exactly the archetype of what you describes as a virgo rising, critisizing all day, i am very pessimist, pyrrhonist. I do like pessimist writers like joris karl Huysmans, arnold goffin, Octave mirbeau, Leon bloy. i got extatic denigration rages sometimes that make me loves my virgo rising side ! There is some cynism tendencies behind that...but on the other hand that's very hard to live with that nihilism because i live permanently a sort of "taedium vitae" and like henry Miller said :" A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." That's why your good nature win in this punchline !

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posted June 07, 2008 05:07 PM         

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I'm an Aqua-Virgo-Pisces so I attract Virgo risings in droves. I've never known a Virgo rising to be a liar. Startlingly, brutally, even vindictively honest, yes, but lying? That's just not part of Virgo's vocabulary. You should look at other aspects in those individuals' charts. Also, how certain are you of their rising signs?

Virgo can be hypercritical and argumentative. But Virgo is also very conscientious and cares deeply about what is true, what is right and what is real. Virgo realism isn't the same thing as pessimism or hating the world. Just because you can't see things their way doesn't mean it's a "prison" for them. That's a little arrogant to say or imply your way of seeing the world is the only valid or rewarding one, I think.

If you find yourself in a power struggle with a Virgo rising like you describe, I think maybe you're partly to blame on insisting that things ought to be the way you see them. Mutable signs in conflict can REALLY irritate one another to the point they blow each others' flaws way out of portion. Best to just own your own shortcomings and step back from the heat, rather than insist that the other person's the only one at fault.

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posted June 07, 2008 05:17 PM         

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thanks unmoved. you really get me!

i think my issue is that i'm a pisces SN so i'm very mooshy-mushy about almost everything. i default to sort of indiscriminate compassion and can't really see the point of getting worked up about anything. but i also realize that with my NN in virgo, i have a lot to learn from these folks. what i really like about them is their abilities to discriminate and make sense of things and do what is right, or what they think is right. i guess the part that bugs me is hearing about people that are idiots and do things idiotically. that just rubs me the wrong way. but i recognize that they are just assimilating the world and doing their best to keep things perfect and pure. i also recognize that they are hard on themselves, too. that much is obvious! anyway, i'm quite drawn to them, so i'm sure it's my NN and saturn in virgo that needs to and wants to understand them, and assimilate some of their discerning qualities!

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posted June 07, 2008 05:20 PM         

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mercury 2008. thanks for your views. well, my post was slightly tongue in cheek and i'm sorry if it came across arrogantly. i appreciate your perspective. and what you say is true of two of my virgo rising friends. but yes, one of them is a chronic liar and cheater. i don't think you can say NO virgo risings are ever liars. that's just silly. i don't really know what aspects to look for to reflect lying, but one astrologer did tell me once that his saturn in the 12th in leo opposite his sun/merc/venus indicated being power hungry, which is very true in his case. he's a frustrated soul, and yes he's very hard on himself as well.

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posted June 07, 2008 05:35 PM         

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I think also - if you need to learn anything from a Virgo Rising, it would most definitely be discipline. So, maybe you lack a certain amount of discipline. They are there to show you that discipline gives us great rewards so it's not all that bad. This could ne the Node lesson for you. (?)

Do you remember that my Nodes were attracting those who would teach me how to surrender. Do you remember that lesson you gave me Miss heart cakes? Well, I think Virgo Rising is saying, "There is a time and place for everything and you can't be Neptunian 'groovy' all the time. To get ahead and grow and to reach your desired personal success, you might need to learn that instant gratification is not always the best for you."

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posted June 07, 2008 05:43 PM         

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i certainly remember that lesson! but darn it, i REALLY want things to be groovy all the time.. i do. maybe it's my aquarian rebelliousness too; i don't WANT to do things in an ordered way- too predictable!! but yeah, i totally see your point. and i always feel heaps better when i'm super organized and after i've cleaned the whole house from top to bottom, kinda thing.

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posted June 07, 2008 05:48 PM         

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Virgo Asc 6 degrees, Sun in Gemini 24 degrees, Moon in Libra 14 degrees, Mercury in Gemini 25 degrees, Venus in Cancer 29 degrees, and Mars in Virgo 0 degrees.

With me? I would say I fit the Virgo Asc description as far as being very observant with people I just meet. I also analyze a LOT. I'm not argumentative at all neither do I always had to be right.

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posted June 07, 2008 05:52 PM         

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yeah gg, i never would have took you for a virgo rising. you seem very calm, cool and collected. i guess those are the good qualities of virgo though!!

hmmmm.. just had a thought. my mom was chronically p!ssed with the world. (she's not virgo rising though; she's aries rising). maybe it's just THAT aspect in anyone that drives me nuts. she was always going off about pretty much everyone being an idiot. aha, mystery solved!

AND the two that call people idiots on a regular basis have strong aries placements. maybe it's a combo of virgo and aries that does this. cuz the one who doesn't have aries placements doesn't do this, though he is very critical. but he also enjoys a good debate. i would say he's more typically virgoian.

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posted June 07, 2008 05:55 PM         

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GG - I wouldn't say you're argumentative. I would say that you tend to play the devil's advocate well, and enjoy lively discussions and healthy debate. Clean fun - not prison rules! LOL

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posted June 07, 2008 06:33 PM         

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They're pretty hypocritical too. They'll pick at you and judge you for the very same things they do themselves! And then they try to justify their actions as if they have a BETTER reason to do it. @@

Somehow though my closest friends are Virgo risings/Virgo moons. I think it's because I have Virgo on my IC.

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posted June 07, 2008 06:34 PM         

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Hey Heart cakes, I subscribe to the first paragraph of your original post to 1000%. I just had difficult story with a guy, who had Virgo-ASC and Aries-Moon (opposing his Mars) - and it drove me nuts, irritated and angered me. You described all the little annoying things as if it was the same guy, actually. ;-) I'm not Sag-ASC, like you (with me it's Scorpio) - but my Moon is in Sag in 1st house ... so I can understand your aggravation pretty well. Huge turn-off, for me too! ;-)

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posted June 07, 2008 06:39 PM         

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Hey, and AMOWLS: Yeah - that "justification"-process ... I know that too. Blame you for several things ... but do the same thing yourself (only worse, and not so overtly mabye) - and then find self-justifications. They know how to justify ANYTHING - and I guess they like to do that if they have an aggressive, stressfully aspected ASC and or Moon, especially. It gives them the need to DEFEND themselves all the time, they feel threatened so easily and react in petty ways, sometimes. (Huhuhu ... that's mean by me. But TRUE!!!,-) I got proof! ;-)

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posted June 07, 2008 08:43 PM         

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One of my best friends is a Virgo rising, shes great person. Always willing to help me when I need her, she makes me laugh my a-- off, and shes generally all around great person.

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posted June 07, 2008 09:00 PM         

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Im virgo rising and i cheat and lie too hahahah. i think poeple with late degrees virgo are more cheaters and liars because its closer to libra and i think its like being stuck between being a perfectionist and a peace keeper so we lie to make things sound good and keep the peace or we do stuff for other reasons ( speaking for myself here lol )

I was never a perfectionist but after my 24th bday i became like that an very critical i always think the grass is greener on the other side and i am selfish.

But i think im selfish due to mars on my MC and im showy and like to flirt and cheat coz of my venus in leo combined moon in gemini.
I think i cheat because i have a moon neptune opposition on my MC and IC. In general i dont think its a viro rising thing but it might contribute to being a hard worker and wanting things done perfectly

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posted June 07, 2008 09:03 PM         

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belgz - I totally dig your honesty. really.

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posted June 07, 2008 09:10 PM         

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I am a Virgo Rising.
in regards to that, I am very shy,have issues with insecurity,conscientious,notice flaws(especially in myself like my appearance),selfcritical,can be a perfectionist(afraid to make mistake,call myself stupid when I do make a mistake),fussy, prudish, into serving others,introverted,health conscious to some degree like I don't smoke,drink,nor use drugs but I don't always watch my weight, I tend to worry a lot and so I get easily stressed. I try to come off practical and grounded. I always want to improve myself in some way.

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posted June 07, 2008 09:41 PM         

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Glaucus you just described me toooooo hahaha

I dont smoke or drink or drugs anything like that and i dont watch my weight either, though i dream of the perfect body and everything else when im stressed i eat! And im forever trying to improve myself as well. I thought that mightbe from my saturn conjunct pluto in 1st

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posted June 07, 2008 09:48 PM         

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it's kind of interesting cuz i think while they're criticising you, most are doing it from the heart. i just am not sure where the line is between helpful and hurtful on that one! but i think for most it's coming from a well-intentioned place.

thanks for all the feedback! so it's all about improvement, of self, others, environment, health, etc etc. sometimes it can be extreme and there are some who lie, but for the most part it's about rearranging things to better them. gotcha!

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posted June 07, 2008 10:09 PM         

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Belgz

I have Saturn trine Pluto in 1st

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posted June 08, 2008 12:02 AM         

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We virgo risings just suck at life and are destined for failure . Im just kidding. the only thing I show of virgo rising is my desire to take care of my body and stay healthy.. therefore I do not drink smoke or drugs.. I dont even take aspirin or over the counter medications if I dont have to. I try to eat healthy and get vitamins and minerals that are important to me. I dont try to analyze to much as I see it as a waste of time. In public generally reserved.. not shy. around new places more receptive just trying to take everything in. I believe I am very perspicacious. I also try to be a perfectionast.. but among the many conflicts in my personality I dont agree with some of the things that are ingrained in my persona. aside from that I dont like the physical appearence the virgo rising has bestowed on me.. it has also made me very self critical of my appearence.

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posted June 08, 2008 06:55 PM         

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A Virgo Rising sat down to do a task on my behalf (formatting my Master's dissertation). Virgo sat there fiddling with small details for about 12 hours at which point when they felt it was completed it to the proper standard. I never heard Virgo complain once. Neither did I as I was glad to see the back of it ~ that's the paper not the Virgo.

If persons of this number are inclined to cheat, lie and complain that only makes them like the 11 other rising signs all of whom have bad examples.

Perfectionism is a good quality in its place. So it is taking care of your appearance and high standards of hygiene. Feeling duty bound to point out other people's faults isn't a very attractive quality but it can be helpful in a slightly less than charming way.

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posted June 08, 2008 09:55 PM         

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my rising sign is virgo and i am definitely not a liar. I am too hard on myself typical huh. everything has to be in order in my house, or i cant sleep! proofreading is my dream job. i also love analyzing and if i didnt i would feel dead. any little thing about my body i notice and am always right. my doctor thought i was a hypochondriac so i had to change doctors. i am just very in tune with myself. virgo rising rocks!

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posted June 09, 2008 12:16 AM         

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yeah, i'm thinking about it more and i definitely feel like the two who really rub me the wrong way sometimes have sort of an extra shove, if you will, from strong aries placements, in the critical department. i really like what blue moon said; that's adorable.

i find them really great for reality checks. i feel kinda bad starting this thread, though. i was being driven mad by an ex (the one who cheated and lied a bunch) who i was recently in contact with again. but i think he's probably pretty atypical. my roommate is also a virgo rising (we're pretty sure) and i love her to pieces but man she can go on and on about everyone who annoys her and it can be quite annoying, but she has a stellium in aries as well. not to bash aries.. but my theory is it makes the virgo a bit more critical and self important. she's also REALLY great at motivational stuff, so it's a two edged sword, of course. if i'm receptive to her way of doing things, she's the best help in the world. if i want to do things my own way, it's like i've personally insulted her and she gets really crabby. well, could be her cancer moon too!

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