posted June 13, 2008 06:58 AM         

Chiron/Eros/Saturn conjunct hopefully would be a positive thing.

posted June 13, 2008 07:47 AM         

Wounded by a Lover at my Saturn Return!!!

posted June 13, 2008 07:54 PM         

again, I am coming with a more or less personal question to you - hope you don't find that too obtrusive. (? ;-) )

But that combo you mentioned - Chiron/Eros/Saturn in Pisces - fascinates me - again because of that special person i've got a special story with. Just like you, he has Chiron cj. Eros (exact/orb:0) in 7th house - cj. his DSC (orb:2) - and in wide conjunct (orb 7) to his Saturn in Pisces in 6th.

I was always wondering how that comes out ... Chiron conjunct Eros. Does that mean, that whenever "hurting/wounding" comes into action in your life, that you apply erotics/sex as a means of "healing" ...? Sorry, this sounds VERY personal, I know. But since I have been the (erotic) partner of someone who had this constellation, I am very keen on learning more about it.

From that guy I got the expression ... that this combination might indicate some "sado-masochistic"-treats as well... (him being on the "sadistic" end, haha.)???

With me, Chiron and Eros are also strangely intertwined, by the way ... My Eros is in Capricorn (not really rated as an extremely "sexy" place for Eros ... I do not identify with it strongly) - and it squares my Chiron in Aries. So - for me, these two are meddled up as well ... I just didn't understand it very well, until now. ;-)

posted June 13, 2008 10:24 PM         

I hope this provides some insight on that special someone for you.

Firstly, I had to clarify Chiron to get started on this reflection:

“Chiron says that the Wound contains a Gift and that the Healing journey is the process of discovering that Gift. The Wound is Healed when the Gift is embraced.”
http://www.martinlass.com/chiron.htm

CHIRON in Pisces - these are the answers that have come to me in deep reflection on my own life history;

*** I hurt therefore you hurt, I must save you from this pain

*** the urge to merge, but can’t find the soul connection to fill the chasm

*** living with a chasm in heart/soul

*** learning that the chasm in heart/soul is for a higher destiny – to allow the energy of other souls to ‘dock’ in for some soul refreshment.

EROS has played a powerful part behind the scenes. Providing a push of sensuality for my Venus in Virgo, to the point where I wondered why I was SO driven to want to make love!! I thought it was the detriment side of a Virgo just wanting to have sex, sex, sex all the time, and being driven crazy by too many long periods of celibacy!! - in my younger, raunchy days, of course

EROS in Pisces for me…

*** an incredible urge to merge into with another that is worthy of such a high soulful frequency

*** feel the ability of others to feel the depth of love to those around them

*** incredibly sensual: wanting to reach out and touch their aura and let their aura encompass me

*** find faith that there is a reason why people are in my life (not flit away like a true Piscean).

*** embrace powerful emotions to counsel other’s energies

*** I don’t bind well with those whose own soul doesn’t reach out soulful interaction

SATURN in Pisces – highly Karmic….

*** forces me to think before acting and do good to others.

*** karma possibly through Pisceans

*** the better the karma, the quicker little karmic reminders take place.

*** has placed me in care for children with challenges where I have to forgo my ego but use my knowledge and experience (in a humble and soulful way) to guide.

*** forces me to forget my ego, as much as my Leo Sun, Aries rising wants to flaunt it.

I have been learning to embrace the Piscean in my chart and only certain Pisceans have triggered that energy. I believe that certain Pisceans are here to direct me in my destiny.

I can’t say it has been pleasant. It almost reminds me that I have to forego [some things] to use that energy for a higher purpose.

But the purpose has great rewards. That is……

“Carry the pain of the urge to merge, to become a soul offering soulful communion in a profession to guide others”.

Thanks for the opportunity alvarella777, to explore the mysteries of my life. It has taken 42 years to work out my life!! But according to ‘Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy’, “42 is the answer to Life”

I hope this helps work out your mystery!!

Love, dooza

posted June 13, 2008 10:43 PM         

I really get the impression that you dealt with that part of your chart or: your personality in a thorough and intelligent way. I'm afraid, the person I was involved with ... hasn't come down HALF that road yet. I mentioned it before, in another thread: You and that man, you share about 85% percent of your chart-positions - incredible! (He's born in the same year as you, Leo as well, but another part of the world.)

The PISCEAN MISTERY btw ... I happen to have my North Node in Pisces ... - and the funny thing is, although I don't like Pisces-people too much, several Pisces-guys seem to be attracted very much to me. With that Pisces-Chiron/Eros/Saturn-guy ... I had my North Node (Pisces) exactly conjunct his Vertex (also in Pisces, of course - orb:0) - Probably this was the first person ever who called on my "Pisces"-NN so heavily - but, to tell the truth: I mainly feel exploited, drained and misused by this person. I have never applied so much patience, understanding etc. to a man who hurt me quite a bit ...

So, from my current (vulnerable/wounded) experience ... i certainly DESPISE the Pisces in me!!! ;-) It was waaaaayyyyy too generous - that's my impression now. If my North Node leeds me to masochistic traits ... I'd rather leave it alone and kepp stuck to my OLD KARMA (in Virgo)!!!

Naaaah - just joking. I AM willing to learn and evolve.

But, what is true: That Pisces-energy floating between that man and me ... was extremely PAINFUL. (at least for me...)

THANKS for your reply! Keep on with your soul-searching and share a bit sometimes - it is really enlightening! All the best to you!

posted June 13, 2008 11:06 PM         

His Karma will be frightful, I imagine!

Yechh, I'd hate to be around when Saturn sorts him out. If he hasn't has some correction take place already, it could be a double whammy for him at his next Saturn Return - when he is heading for retirement. I'm thinking his karma will be associated with his work.

Some possible scenarios....

He is married, but has an affair at work and his wife leaves him with nothing.

He is forced to stay in his workplace for financial reasons and cannot forge good work relationships with his workmates, leaving his self-esteem like a wet fish.

He developes a crush on a workmate that drives him to do something stupid.

For some reason, I see him losing a lot of weight and looking weak and pathetic in his later years, when he is still working (don't know where that one came from).

Has he fathered an unknown child? That could appear and demand that he faces up to responsibility?

Gee, the more I connect the threads, the more this infomation could seem offensive to you, alvarella777. I know you are in love with the guy and maybe my Arian/Sag side is not pulling any punches here. But, unless he has sorted his Saturn Return stuff out and starts treating you with respect, he is just heaping his karma up for later.

I'm trying to understand why someone who is almost my astro twin is being such a nuisance. I can see your attraction from the Venus/Pluto conjunction is keeping you connected with him

posted June 14, 2008 12:30 AM         

I only have Psyche in Pisces. The Piscean has Mars/Saturn/chiron/Amor in Pisces.

The synastry doesn't look overly outstanding, but here are just a few that jump out:

Me/Piscean

Pluto opp Venus

Chiron/Eros/Saturn conjunct Venus

Venus trine Chiron/Saturn

Chiron/Eros/Saturn trine Eros

North Node conjunct in Aries (similar destiny?)

Hmmm.... there could still be a destiny thing that still needs to be played out here. What do you think?

Right, back onto the topic of my evil twin sounds like a wet fish, needy and unable to give in the joys of loving. What was his problem, I wonder??

Was there any divine connection in love-making, at all??

Surely, by his forties, he has worked out something about his life! Is he successful at anything?

He took from you, but the Universe will demand something from him at some stage.

I wonder what your karma connection is here. Do you think you will be repaid in kind? Or carry a debt from him?

posted June 14, 2008 04:22 AM         

Saturn at 14 deg Pisces
Eros at deg 17 Pisces
Chiron at deg 20 Pisces

And they are all in the 8th house...

posted June 19, 2008 09:42 PM         

incidentally, I found this interpretation of CHIRON in PISCES on this page: http://www.martinlass.com/report.htm

As far as your “evil star twin” goes, I bolded the parts of the interpretation that I guess I recognized with him … You must be on the other side of the medal. ;-)

Natal Chiron Signs
Chiron in Pisces
The Wound:
The Wound of a loss of Faith and Trust in the Divine and/or in the Universe. A deep-seated sense of betrayal and/or victimization by life and/or God/Universe. A loss of Faith in the power and omnipresence of Love.Fear of being hurt. A core belief in the injustice, inequity, unfairness and victimizing nature of the Universe.A feeling of being forsaken by God, mirrored in the story of Jesus Christ.
The Search:
The search for Oneness, for the Divine, for Love, for timelessness and spacelessness and for God.
The Wound's Expression:
Shutting our inner doors to the Universe, to the Divine, to God. Suffering silently within ourselves, i.e. private hurt. Yet, paradoxically, seeking to merge, to Return to Oneness, to become whole again. Developing a hard shell and a pragmatic and sometimes cynical exterior manner.This is the most common expression. Conversely, can be overly sensitive, gushing and teary. Can be susceptible or gullible to outer influences that appear to offer Love or union with something divine or mystical.
Fear of opening up to others, yet needing close personal contact. This can lead to clouded judgment when choosing partners.Yet, paradoxically, each partner will offer another reflection of what we need to see about ourselves. Often suspiciousness, fear of opening to others, fear of being hurt and lack of trust will sabotage relationships.
Nonetheless, highly sensitive inside - even overly so. Can feel like a victim of the injustices, inequities and suffering of the world.
Can manifest as agnosticism or even atheism.
Expresses very often through artistic and creative output.
Escaping the Wound:
Retreating into our shell.Not showing our sensitive nature.Making light of serious subjects in a humorous, cynical and sometimes sarcastic way.Avoiding spiritual, psychological or philosophical questions in favor of getting on with practical, pragmatic and tangible activities.Avoiding intimacy in close personal relationships.
Alternately, allowing oneself to be influenced, captivated, brainwashed, controlled, overtaken and assimilated by people, groups or organizations professing (or masquerading) divine connection or higher ideals.Giving our spiritual power to others.
Blaming the world for injustice, unfairness, inequity, victimization and hurt to self and others.Trying to rescue others.Championing lost causes, underdogs and perceived victims.
The Healing Path:
The Universe will never stop knocking at our door.Our sense of betrayal, injustice, inequity, unfairness, victimization will constantly draw us into situations that will challenge us to see a more balanced picture.These feelings will challenge us to see the justice behind the seeming injustices, to see the fairness behind the seeming unfairnesses and to return to a sense of Trust that the Universe is actually looking after us all.
The feeling as though we did not deserve to be treated a certain way or subjected to certain events and circumstances will cause us to seek retribution, redress, justice and even revenge. In this process, we will gradually see a larger picture and begin to understand the higher logic behind these things.
The path to Oneness is only attained when we can see that all things Serve us in our lives, that all things Serve our path of Healing and evolution of consciousness.All things are a divine act of Love.The more we see the hidden purpose behind seemingly 'wrong' happenings, the more we are inclined to open the doors that we shut so tightly in the beginning.The more we can do this, the more we regain Trust in a Guiding Hand, Trust in a Universal Plan, Trust in a God, Trust in the omnipresence of Love.
Paradoxically, we regain Trust by Trusting, regain Faith by having Faith.However, real Trust and Faith are based upon observed facts.They are based upon a balanced perception that sees both sides of any given situation.Balanced perception sees the justice in the injustice, the fairness in the unfairness, the equity in the inequity, the blessings in the crisis, the clouds' silver lining and the lessons, Gifts and Service inherent in every manifestation of Creation.
The Gift:
The Return to Trust and Faith in Spirit.The revealing of the Love of the Creator.A Return to Oneness, wholeness, completeness.The opening of the Heart to be able to give and receive Love freely.To be able to look anywhere in our lives and in the lives of others and see nothing except the action and presence of Love.
I am reminded of a former teacher of mine with Chiron in Pisces.In his early life he was the typical cynic and atheist, a disbeliever in anything he could not see or touch, etcetera.He had shut the door on all spiritual matters. However, his own inner turmoil, hidden from the outside world and even from his own waking consciousness, started to manifest in unpleasant psychic experiences.He was forced to delve into his issues in order to make sense of these experiences.Through the journey of Healing, reconciling the inner issues that brought about these experiences, he experienced a Return to Faith in Spirit.Not only this, he became a teacher, teaching others to develop their psychic abilities and to connect with their Higher selves.His ultimate teaching is the power of Divine Love to Heal.
Notable People with Chiron in Pisces:
Eva Braun, Princess Diana, Vivien Leigh, Richard Nixon, Tatum O'Neal, Gregory Peck, Paula Abdul, Tracy Austin, Lucille Ball, Nicolas Cage, Kurt Cobain (Nirvana), Billy Ray Cyrus, Matt Dillon, Kirk Douglas, Jodie Foster, Indira Gandhi, Billy Graham, Jimmy Hoffa, L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology), Whitney Houston, Gary Kasparov (chess grandmaster), John F. Kennedy, k.d. lang, Pamela Anderson, Carl Lewis, Karl Marx, Henri Matisse, Yehudi Menhuin, George Michael, Edith Piaf, Roy Rogers, Erik Satie (20th century French composer), Brooke Shields, Frank Sinatra, Henri Toulouse-Latrec (painter), Orson Welles, Tennessee Williams.

Chiron in the 7th House
Our Woundedness is most likely to be played out in the arena of relationships and social interactions.See also, Chiron in Libra.
For example, Chiron in Leo in the 7th house may manifest as the Wound of feeling unable to express ourselves, not free to explore and develop our creativity and individual gifts due to a stifling relationship that demands most of our attention and time.
Alternatively, Chiron in Pisces in the 7th house might be the Wound of feeling used and abused, victimized and betrayed by those we have had relationships with.Alternately, the Wound of feeling a deep need for contact and merging into Oneness may cause us to give ourselves away totally in relationships until we have little left for ourselves.

posted June 20, 2008 11:13 PM         

I guess I could touch on my own life with hurt/pain - it furthers my belief that I need to embrace the hurt, and use that humility to give back to the Universe...

All this Piscean energy in Chiron/Eros has such a beautiful ring to it. When I meditate on it, there is a true love feel to it. I only hope that Saturn is there to support it in its conjunct role.

My astro-twin needs to embrace his hurt maybe, and use the beauty of pain to raditate unconditional love.

love to you (and him) xox