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CoralFrequency
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posted June 19, 2008 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
Hi guys!!! Long time no post.. lol

Could anyone tell me more about this aspect in synastry? I have this with someone - his Saturn and my Sun at 0' deg.

I do feel that it's karmic but also kind of heavy. It's a very strange feeling overall.

On the bright side - if there is a bright side to Saturn.. it's part of a grand trine in fire signs - My Saturn in Sag trine his Jupiter/Sun in Leo, and trine the Saturn/Sun conjunction in Aries.

I was just wondering about other people's personal experiences with Saturn aspects, specially the conjunction!

Thanks a lot!

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blue moon
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posted June 19, 2008 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
As it happens.

My (elder) son's Saturn is conjunct my Sun. To be more specific it is sandwiched between my Sun and Ceres. Could there be a clearer message from the universe?

His Saturn is part of an Air Grand Trine with Mercury and Uranus. My Sun/Ceres is part of an Air Grand Trine with Mars and Uranus. So as much as I feel I have a leadership role now, the pupil might become the master.


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Dooza
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posted June 20, 2008 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dooza     Edit/Delete Message

....so what you could be both saying is.... the Saturn person has a 'hold' of sorts over you (being the Sun person)?

It leaves you feeling:

**imposed upon?
**karmically fated?
**controlled?
**uncomfortable?
**secure?
**positive?
**negative?
**in awe?


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CoralFrequency
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posted June 21, 2008 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
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So as much as I feel I have a leadership role now, the pupil might become the master.

lol Blue Moon.. Does he ever act bossy?
Maybe on the positive side of things Saturn can be supportive of the Sun.
I've heard it's quite common to find Sun/Saturn connections in familly members, because they signify strong karmic bonds.

Dooza, yeah I think it is a 'hold' in a sense.. I'm not sure whether I can really untangle what it means in this synastry since we have a Sun/Saturn double whammy. Both aspects are at 0' deg.
Except, my Saturn is trine his Sun.. so maybe I'm more accepting of faults in him. With his Saturn conjunct my Sun he seems to want me to be perfect, but it's impossible to never make mistakes.. Everyone does - The Saturn person isn't very understanding though, and they give you the "I'm very disappointed in you, young lady" look


It leaves you feeling:

**imposed upon? somewhat

**karmically fated? I'm not sure, but some things point in this direction.

**controlled? He is incredibly controlling but I think it's also out of fear.

**uncomfortable? hmm not always - occasionally he makes me feel judged.. but most of the time he seems caring/concerned - beneath the whole critical nature.

**secure? the trust is there.

**positive? **negative? bit of both.. it seems deep overall.

**in awe? I do have a lot of respect for him.

PS. This isn't romantic btw - due to at least five different unfortunate circumstances.

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posted June 21, 2008 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
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The Saturn person isn't very understanding though, and they give you the "I'm very disappointed in you, young lady" look

wow. i wasnt going to respond to this thread because it was really too painful to think about, but yeah. he was like that a lot, and there were times i really couldnt believe he had the audacity to act the way he did. it would frustrate, excite, anger, torment me..mainly torment...despite it driving me crazy, cursing him out, and swearing i never would speak to him again....it never seemed to work out(not seeing/speaking to each other)..there was a forgiveness between us despite the mean things i said to him(and i said a lot of mean things when i got mad-aries moon) i would forgive him despite him constantly hurting me, well maybe not forgive but forget, or let go more easier than with other people..hes bossy, tries to constantly control me, and it doesnt resonate with my personality so theres a lot of clashing.i dont want to be controlled!...i felt/feel something with him, i dont feel with others..and despite his critical moods, he seemed protective of me at times, feels more serious, and cared... etc...his saturn is a very tight orbit on my sun.

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CoralFrequency
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posted June 21, 2008 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
Hi writesomething!

Our conjunction is very close as well - My Sun is at 12' Aries. His Saturn is also at 12' Aries.

I'm sorry to have brought back bad memories with this thread. It sounds like, in your situation - he was being very negatively-saturnian. I can see traits of what you described in Mr Leo. It's probably not as bad yet, but it feels like the relationship might become closer, or too close - maybe suffocating lol I won't let this happen though.

I just wanted to ask you whether, there was a large age gap between you? Was he the older person?
If you don't feel comfortable talking about it, no worries at all.

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CoralFrequency
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posted June 21, 2008 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
Actually I wonder whether maybe more ppl haven't replied to this thread because they've had such negative experiences
yikes

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posted June 21, 2008 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
there isnt that much of an age gap, but there is a age gap. hes older. he definitely acts like a father figure type, trying to constantly mold me. i couldnt be the submissive, doting partner he wanted. i told him dont punish me for your past relationships, im not her.....so there are issues with feeling like he tries to be more controlling/strict because of his ex girlfriends...I never got what I wanted from him...a lot of wasted energy..I didnt feel loved, and Im pretty sure he didnt love me, so now its just dust to me. Pretty sad considering we had "great" synastry/composite/house placements. he does have saturn in the 7th natally.

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Actually I wonder whether maybe more ppl haven't replied to this thread because they've had such negative experiences
yikes

probably.

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posted June 21, 2008 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
It would be deeply unfair of me to feel imposed upon but I'm supposed there are parents who do feel that way.

Positive is a good word ~> I've got a reason to get out of bad in the morning no matter how bad things get.

The pupil is likely to surpass the master in talents but that won't be hard.

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posted June 21, 2008 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Well I've felt similar things being the South Node person in a Saturn-South Node conjunction... I don't have a very positive view of Saturn unfortunately (and I have Saturn in 7th natally).

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Got Gemini?
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posted June 21, 2008 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I have Sun square Saturn 0 and 2 degrees double whammy with someone. A few people have explained what it means and its possible effects but I want to know more.

Anyone?

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Virgo Asc & Mars
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon (conjunct Pluto 0º in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus

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posted June 21, 2008 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message
I dont have any experience with sun-saturn in a romantic context. Only with friends and colleagues. With them it gives me a very comfortable, trusting feeling. With the exception of one colleague. His Saturn conjuncts my sun, mercury, and venus and opposes my saturn and ascednat. He's a scorpio and I guess natally already a very controlling personality. I find it very difficult working with him, his older, more experienced and in a more senior position than me (work in a very hierarchical environment). I have worked with him twice on longterm projects and his presence saps the life out of me. I feel exhausted and restraint just being in his presence. On the other hand, I also notice that I dont only feel a saturnian block FROM him, but alos act more saturnian myself. Become more rigid, more like a wet blanket around him.

In a romatic context I have only experience venus opposite saturn. I have that as a double whammy with someone I never got together with, but who I guess will always be on my mind as long as I live. Very, very, very karmic feeling when I first met him. As if I had known him from somewhere, an unbelievable sense of fatedness. But I guess the double whammy was too much, stifling any romantic expressions. A great sense of not beeing good enough for the other person. Paralysis in expressing more spontenously aournd the other person. We also have saturn opposite vneus in the composite. So yes, saturn is a very painful subject for me. I agree with what has been mentioned by someone else on this thread - I guess for a lot of people saturn is too painful to talk about .

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CoralFrequency
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posted August 07, 2008 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for the replies!

I'm bumping this because I've had a baaad day today because of this person.

Actually I can't even type about it

Any extra advice on how to deal with Sun/Saturn would be very welcome right now.

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posted August 07, 2008 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
And the answers I gave above have changed. Now it's more like -

It leaves you feeling:

**imposed upon? VERY MUCH SO!!!!!

**karmically fated? I hope not.

**controlled? He is still incredibly controlling, so this hasn't changed.

**uncomfortable? YES! very much so, today.

**secure? NOPE. Just hurt.

**positive? **negative? - negative.

**in awe? The respect is declining.

Could it be the Mars/Pluto conjunction? My Pluto and his Mars.. I'm really not sure. It still seems more like we're having Saturn/Sun issues.

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Lara
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posted August 07, 2008 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
oh dear, damn saturn!

I have this aspect exact with someone and i'll let you know how it plays out when l get to know him better!

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posted August 07, 2008 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
second that! damn saturn!

lol I really shouldn't with the Capricorn in my chart. Saturn might get angry

I really hope it plays out better for you guys.

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posted August 07, 2008 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yinyang     Edit/Delete Message
I have a double whammy with someone as well.

For those of you who felt restricted in any way, are there any other aspects between the Suns?

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posted August 07, 2008 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta-sister     Edit/Delete Message
I am wondering about
my saturn conjunct his 5th house cusp 0deg
and his venus trine my fith house cusp 0deg
My name conjunct his IC and his name conjunct my IC and IC both sit at same degree 1 sign apart. (names in 4th house)

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posted August 07, 2008 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Mars and Pluto together stand a chance of dragging unpleasantries to the service over the course of time.

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posted August 07, 2008 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I don't have any experience with the conjunction, but I do have experience with the trine aspect. They say that Saturn provides the glue for long term relationships. I did have a 20 year marriage with the Sun Trine Saturn aspect.

Here is one interpretation I found, and it's pretty accurate as to how it felt living through it. We never got to the "great beauty" part of it. He was the Saturn.

Sun Trine Saturn

To make a wood flute that produces beautiful notes, the carver has to cut away pieces of the wood. If you think of the wood as being alive, this is a painful process, but the result is great beauty.

In your relationship, the two of you are like the carver and the wood for the flute. You will force each other to see truths about yourselves, some of which you don't want to see, and some of which you would rather not change. But in the relationship, you will both be forcing and encouraging each other to make those necessary changes in your life to be happier and more productive.

You may find the relationship confining and limiting, however, before you think about withdrawing from the relationship, consider whether or not you really need to learn the disclipline that this relationship encourages.

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posted August 07, 2008 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yinyang     Edit/Delete Message
^^ Did you guys have any other positive aspects between the Suns in your synastry?

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posted August 08, 2008 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
I have personal experience of my being a Saturn person and her being a Sun person. All I can say is that I turned out to be way way more controlling on her than even I could imagine. Sun Conj Saturn is so heavy. And, Saturn person is seen really putting Sun person under tremendous pressure.

I am all Water.. She was earth+water.... all other connections were amazing..

BUT, that Saturn in Virgo and her being Virgo Sun with other planets in Virgo really put the relationship on such a high introvert track, we had to separate. Astrologers say the same bond is strong for long term marriage. However, for me, the FUN and Brightness was missing with Sun conj Saturn.

If you wish to get more success on this aspect, then try to be very organized and methodical on your personality everytime you are with him.. it should help.

Saturn is painful.

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posted August 08, 2008 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
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Astrologers say the same bond is strong for long term marriage. However, for me, the FUN and Brightness were missing

Never been married, have you, mblover?

Just kidding. Maybe. What I like about your post is that it highlights the truth of how different people and relationships bring out our best or our worst, and some people draw out something inside us that no-one else gets to see.

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posted August 08, 2008 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
Was not married or anything.. but it seemed as if we will get into commitment.. It was an amazingly compatible and peaceful loving match yet it was so introvert.. And, I hated being the Saturn person in the relationship.

Honestly, after that, I never saw myself with a Virgo woman.. I am already a 5th house controlling Scorpio and then this Saturnine control, it was even painful for me to become a controlling devil..

and, Virgos love to be controlled.. It took three consecutive days of discussions on every single detail for me to clarify to her why we were not made for each other.

Virgos can't handle rejections, so I decided to turn the situation around such that she rejected me with a huge checklist.

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posted August 17, 2008 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
I met an old family friend today and he has saturn in Virgo, and all I can say is he made me feel very comfortable, nurtured, said I could call him for anything, anytime, and that to dont ever feel embarrassed about asking for his help. 2 degrees from my sun, hes much older, and I just felt a really strong nurturing feeling from him.

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