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posted June 26, 2008 11:20 PM         

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I'm feeling pretty beat up by Pluto right now. Still conjunct my sun and ascendent in the 12th house... Pluto itself moving into, out of, and eventually back into my first house. Transiting Jupiter square Pluto, tMars (another Sag placement in my natalchart) in the eighth house...

Could this be why I feel so "dead" lately? Nothing feels right, and hasn't for a long time. There have been tons of major changes and transformations happening, but I'm really ready for it to stop. I love change, but enough is enough already.

Can someone tell me when it will be over, or pass along some advice to keep dealing?

This would be affecting other Saggies in similar ways, right?

Here's my astro data if anyone needs it. I would post my chart, but I can't remember photobucket password and for some reason I've been unable to open a new one.

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Please, please, please-- any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated.

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posted June 27, 2008 12:04 AM         

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Future, I checked your transit charts going back to 2005.

Beginning in 2006, Uranus began squaring your Neptune and into 2007. Also in 2007, Uranus squared your Mars and is now squaring your Sun and will continue to do so into 2009.

That's plenty of change for you or anyone else.

Beginning in 2005, Pluto began conjuncting your Sun and that continued.

I don't consider that a negative or malefic..though some do. In fact, I consider it to be usually rather energizing.

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posted June 27, 2008 12:06 AM         

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Another Saggi rising here. I know what you're going through, but fortunately I can say that it does get easier. My ascendant is at 28 degrees, and that last part of Pluto in 12th felt horrible.

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posted June 27, 2008 12:18 AM         

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Things should get better when Pluto moves for good into your 1st house. Usually, 1st house Pluto transit brings transformative changes to the body, you will feel more powerful, people will find you more magnetic, sexier.

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posted June 27, 2008 12:35 AM         

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posted June 27, 2008 12:35 AM         

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jwhop-- thank you! I never considered uranus. Kind of a double whammy, huh? I agree that it is usually energizing, but it's been going on for so long. I haven't felt settled for over two years now. As a Sag I'm no fan of comfy ruts, but my head is spinning! You've been very helpful.

GemLover-- my ascendant is also 28 degrees. Was it horrible for you too? It's been so intense. I love intense, but again-- it's been a bit much.

Belage-- do you think so? Or would it continue to work on transforming the self as it did when conjunct sun and ascendant. I don't even know who "myself" is at this point and can't seem to get enough space to gain some perspective. Thank you for your input.

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posted June 27, 2008 12:37 AM         

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i agree with the last two posters. my rising is 24 sag. it does get easier, and you do feel more powerful and strong, like your sense of self finally has some OOMPH behind it! remember, this transit is bringing up a lot of crap that you need to LET GO of; much of it unconscious (which is why it is so painful and you feel so out of it and powerless). it really does show you who YOU are underneath all that crap and then you start to really know what to do and how to be the master of your own destiny. it's quite a lovely turnaround. but yeah i went through two years of hell before it transited my ASC (and during! i'd actually say in my experience, DURING was the worst of it.. both times).. and ever since, i've just felt i KNOW myself, better than i have in a looooong time!

you should check out jeff greene's pluto book. it's really great.

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posted June 27, 2008 12:37 AM         

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heartcakes we posted together. I'll check out that book, thank you. My sun is at 24 degrees. Where is your sun?

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posted June 27, 2008 12:40 AM         

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yeah, definitely check out the book. it's really thorough and made me really understand the energy of pluto a lot better!

my sun is in aquarius. i imagine it must be really tough having the transit of BOTH at once. although, you get it over with, i suppose!

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posted June 27, 2008 12:45 AM         

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oh and if i may answer your question posed to belage.. that has been my experience. suddenly i feel like i have a lot of PERSONAL POWER. sometimes it's sexual, but really, it's more about confidence. it freaked me out at first because all the sudden people seemed to really respect me and want my opinion on things. like what *i* felt and thought mattered SO much to them! it was shocking! this was within a few months of pluto being in my first (when it decided to stay). i found it really forced me to figure out WHO i am and the energy i want to put accross, because people have just been INTERESTED!! and i never had much confidence.. ESPECIALLy all the years pluto was in my 12th.. so the timing really is impeccable. in that book i mentioned, he says something about this sort of thing happening, too. but you catch on eventually and start to embody this confidence and poise, and you start to really understand who you are at a much deeper level, but you find it's also more accessable and easily translated. i KNOW that's gotta be hard to believe at this point!! trust me! but it's true.. and that sense of self just gets more and more refined over time!

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posted June 27, 2008 02:01 AM         

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Yes Future, this slow moving Planet..Uranus is in aspect with sensitive points in your chart for a looong time and it seems like it's forever..but, it's not. I don't see Pluto as the cuprit here....rather, I see Uranus causing the current problems for you.

Btw, did you know you're a 3rd Decan Sag...24 degrees of Sag Sun?

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posted June 27, 2008 01:41 PM         

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I do know that, but could use some insight into its significance.

I had never even considered Uranus-- I'll do some research on it. You mentioned that it is aspecting sensitive points for me-- what would (some of) those be? Also, you said it would be doing so for a long time. How long? I would appreciate any info you can give me because I would like to learn more about figuring these things out on my own.

Many thanks to you!

Heartcakes-- you give me a sense of anticipation for this upcoming Pluto movement. I'll keep my chin up on that front!

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posted June 27, 2008 02:36 PM         

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Exactly how cr@ppy is Pluto transiting the 12th? I know people are saying it's awful, but how awful was it? It's going to start soon and I'd like to know what's the worst I can expect for the next 15-20 years of my life.

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posted June 27, 2008 06:36 PM         

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heart cakes' story is very inspiring! I know that's how it's going to turn out for me because I just *feel* it - and it will for you too.

Oh and Izo... honestly I didn't notice anything from the Pluto transit until it was in it's last phases - ie getting closer to my ascendant. Good things happened for me throughout Pluto transiting my 12th, my life was good although there were ups and downs... just normal life really. So don't worry!

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posted June 27, 2008 09:01 PM         

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oh, I feel your pain. I was just thinking about this today. I feel awful. I just want to fast forward to January. I have pluto square pluto and it just started to apply again. I forgot how tough it was, because I got a breather until it turned retro again. When it moved away from my pluto I felt so much lighter. I look forward to that again.

Mine is transiting my 8th house right now. It's very hard.

Just hold on until it moves away, which should be late fall.

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posted June 28, 2008 03:33 AM         

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Thank you, GeminiLover!

It's gonna square Sun and Mercury while in my 12th, so I'm still going to have a bit of excitement.
Right now, all I want is for it to get the hell off my Moon, Neptune and South Node (28-29 Sagittarius)!! I'll worry about the rest later.

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posted November 23, 2008 03:01 AM         

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bumping for lucia23.. i know there was a way longer one though! still looking.

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posted November 23, 2008 03:11 AM         

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Future,

Man, that sucks! I've got Pluto still going through my 12th house and it's unbearable enough for me, so I can't imagine what you're going through with all of those crazy transits. All I can say is to hang in there. Although you may feel very lost right now as you endure all of these changes, I'm positive that you'll come out of this mess feeling stronger than ever. As you go through these changes, just try to keep looking ahead because there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I promise!

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posted November 23, 2008 03:44 PM         

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oh, I feel your pain. I was just thinking about this today. I feel awful. I just want to fast forward to January. I have pluto square pluto and it just started to apply again. I forgot how tough it was, because I got a breather until it turned retro again. When it moved away from my pluto I felt so much lighter. I look forward to that again.
Mine is transiting my 8th house right now. It's very hard.

Just hold on until it moves away, which should be late fall.

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Oh, look, I'm almost where I wanted to be! One more week and it leaves sag!!

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