posted July 22, 2008 07:38 PM         

I've been frequenting this site for a couple years now, trying to learn more about about astrology and all its different aspects. I read many of the posts and have come to see how things work around here and am quite disappointed.

This site being an honor to Linda Goodman, im so surprised that the astrologers on here are more inclined to dispute and assert their intelligence and superiority on the subject, than actually help people when they are asking questions that are important to them and personal in nature.

Im all for discussing and learning about vertexes, orbs, grand trines, asteroids and more complex astrological issues, but I also know that being an astrologer first and foremost should be to shed light on people and their paths, inner feelings, personal relationships and to fundamentally help people solve the mysteries of life.

I have come to see on here, that whenever someone asks a personal question, whether it be a birth chart interpretation or synastry compatibility reading, they are ignored and nobody replies to their posts.

I have posted twice in a year and both posts have gone unanswered. I am not "selfish", I simply wish for some help in a topic which I cannot figure out myself....

Does anyone else feel this way on Lindaland?

posted July 22, 2008 09:10 PM         

I have been going through a rough time after my girlfriend broke up with me, and so I haven't had much passion for Astrology to help people. I feel uncapable of helping others when I have to help myself. I admit that sometimes,I just want to give up Astrology because it reminds me too much of my girlfriend because I met her in an Astrology chatroom and I was giving her a reading. Therefore,when I help people,it reminds me of helping my girlfriend, and so I can can get sad because helping others through Astrology makes me miss her even more. I still love her,and I would like to get back with her but that's up to her and the Universe.

posted July 22, 2008 09:21 PM         

Astrology is an art form and those who want to learn about it have plenty of opportunities. I actually stumbled on LL while googling a relatively detailed question. If people come here asking specific questions the older, more experienced members are more than happy to answer them or show them on the right path so that they can know the answer and enjoy the achievement of learning something. When people ask for specific personal chart interpretations I am always more than happy to help out when I can because regardless of astrological knowledge some people notice certain things while others see something else. What most people do get upset about is the typical "How does Libra and Pisces go in a relationship" questions. Especially since there is no real way to answer that. I have the same problem outside of LL. When people ask me Im a Virgo and my bf of 5 years is a Gemini do we go well together? First of all I could use the basic logic and say well...yes you have been together for 5 years clearly there is something there....then there is also the if you are 1 degree Gemini and they are 1 degree Virgo then your suns are squared, and if you are 1 degree Gemini and they are 28 degrees Virgo then your suns are trine...pretty different energies working...

I am not saying that those posts are useless but there are just so many of them that a simple search in LL or even google would save everyone lots of time and energy.

As for people really needing help, maybe I am wrong or biased but often people do help. I myself have not been around much and my knowledge is really not sufficient but I try to help out where I can and i KNOW many others do as well. So I am very sorry to all the knowflakes who had bad experiences with people not paying attention to them and not responding, but please be patient with us. Things do happen and we are human. Like Glaucus said, sometimes things just happen in a way where you are in no mood to do anything.

posted July 22, 2008 09:26 PM         

I'm sorry that you had negative experiences here at LL
It happens, just like anywhere else in Life.....

I daresay some of peoples' "negative" experiences here (and other internet forums) boils down to the poster's:
1. expectations of the type of reply they think they should get, and
2. the written delivery of their post.

I've noticed a few people here who are upset when their post gets zero replies. Most often it's the way the question (or plea for help) is phrased. Also, there's been a lot of departures of experienced hands who visit often, and (compared to past membership) there are a LOT of amateurs here right now. And sometimes it's nothing more than a matter of timing -- when the post went up, the experienced people had troubles of their own -- issues in their own lives that needed attention.

The new "Private Readings" forum is a good place to attract the attention of experienced readers, as your post doesn't get pushed down the topics-header page as fast as it does here in the Astro forum.

ScorpioCentaur, could you please be more specific about what you were unsatisfied with?? Perhaps it's just a case of wording your post a little differently, or more specific and less general. Believe me, a post wondering why you haven't pushed someone off a bridge yet should get at least a dozen hits

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I also know that being an astrologer first and foremost should be to shed light on people and their paths, inner feelings, personal relationships and to fundamentally help people solve the mysteries of life.

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posted July 22, 2008 09:52 PM         

Also, this is not a super busy forum where as soon as a question is posed, it gets many replies right away. It usually takes a few hours for new threads to get replies. My best guess is the reason for this is because most ok lindalanders are from all over the world and have different schedules and therefore have different times they can visit here.

Me personally, I come on here quite frequently because I have Internet on my cell phone (in fact, I'm posting this from my iPhone right now LOL).

So all in all, I really don't think people are ignoring peoples questions on here on purpose.

posted July 22, 2008 10:43 PM         

it took me almost a year to post my first question here because I had to find out if there was any way of helping myself first. Sometimes a new person will ask a question that google can answer and this in my opinion is a lack of responsibility on the one who is asking a question because it is truly time consuming to give a reading. No one is paid to do anything here on LL. It is people who take time out of their own stressful lives who volunteer to assist. So, if your guestion is not answered it is likely that people are busy with their lives too.

I think that we should all understand that noone is obligated to answer a post and that those who do respond do so because they can, not because they have to.

I don't mean to sound harsh but this post is making me feel sad because there are those who are always there to help and it seems like their efforts are not being appreciated or recognised. This is unfair. You are allowed to complain but I think that it is important to also look at the great good that this site does.

posted July 22, 2008 10:52 PM         

also, sometimes the questions that are being asked - astrology isn't an only answer - it's a matter of choice and responsibility - no matter what guidance the stars offer us - we have free will and sometimes there are no definitive answers or satisfactory ones.

there are a lot of posts about soulmates and asking whether someone is your soulmate or whether the relationship will last based purely on transits or synastry when it really comes down to your own heart or even the will of the other person.

i've had threads that have had no response, but you just learn not to take it personally. maybe if it's something that you really need some help with that can be emphasised. i've found generallay that most people will reply to an s.o.s. in some way - even to offer encouragement.

posted July 22, 2008 11:02 PM         

If you have not checked threads in which Zala, Glaucus, GG, Geo, BM, AG, DB and so many others have been helping here, then you are not reading this forum carefully.

Take a moment and go over the following threads.

1. GemGemGem - who was under tremendous pressure about her ex - geo and others helped
2. Scorpio Woman - who was about to go for suicide.. she was helped
3. Virgos - when others were finding their mistakes. BM started a thread to appreciate their positive parts
4. Taurus woman - with tremendous pressure from her aqua husband was helped
5. Pisces woman - who couldn't let go her ex was helped
6. Aquas - they have asked all sorts of personal quesitons and they have been helped
7. Aries women - they have been appreciated and been given optimism
8. Many scorp women - have been given detailed analysis of their relationships
9. So many other Gems - with all sort of analysis from their past relationships to current rleaitonships
10. Cappy woman - who wanted help regarding her first love..
And, 1000s of other threads...

BRUTAL TRUTH - the problem is not linda landers. the problem is you. With your Scorpio Sun and Aries Moon... you are the destructive and 'selfish' person that you think linda landers are.. the problem is Scorp Sun being in 8th house from your Moon - any projections of your life you do are destructive..and negative..obviously, you can go back and check your own relationships with your mother and father..

yeah.. there might be many positive points in your chart but thus far you have been a negative unhelpful and destructive person on this thread

1. In your own thread, your approach towards that Gem ex guy was destructive and language was abusive. So, you want a guidance on how to kill him?

2. artemiss's thread - Without having any proper knowledge of astrology, you just told her that there were bad Sun - Moon aspects - give me a break - A person who has a Sun Sq. Moon (in her case, Sag and Pisces) always struggles because any type of Sag projections of excitement and expansion she wishes to express, there is an introvert fear coming from her Pisces moon. Now, for a person like her.. when a Sun trine Sun and Moon Trine Moon match comes.. it's not a bad aspect.. there were five trines and 2 sextiles.. the connection was intense and way better than something you will ever find in your life..

But what was your response? You said that "its a bad match because of bad sun moon aspects and some ridiculous example of your taurus relative" so, obvisously, you are not helping anyone here and you want help from others?!

Was it your jealousy that you have never had a relationship that was enjoyable and she is enjoying a wonderful relationship?

So, really, something is wrong within yourself. And, btw, there are so many qualified astrologers who can provide you service right away (here, on internet and in the UK)..but you want that for 'free' too right!

posted July 22, 2008 11:56 PM         

firstly i love astrology and more divisions of it, i love to help when i can and do so.
I seem to have bad luck, and get overlooked also so ive waited my turn for some time i might add........ then.........

I asked a question and someone hyjacked my thread and she was the one who got answered becasue she complained about not being answerd on her thread..
i felt that very rude as she didnt even say im sorry for jumping in on your thread..
she got her ansewer and i didnt.

posted July 22, 2008 11:58 PM         

Just a cursory look around this board will tell you that most threads asking for help on a personal matter do receive at least 1 or 2 answers. That even 1 or 2 people took the time to chime in should be respected.

There are ways to maximize the number of answers you receive. For one, post your natal birth chart for all to see. I have seen too many people asking for help and all they give is their date and time of birth, and expect people to go and fetch their birth data.

It also helps to come back to your thread and thank those (however few they are) that have answered, and give feedback that might help them and others to go deeper into your case.

Lastly, ask yourself this question. How much help have YOU given? Oftentimes, we only get back what we put in. If you've been on this site and feel that people are not helping enough, then educate yourself about astrology and offer your help to compensate the lack you see.

posted July 23, 2008 12:27 AM         

I am not jealous about anyone's relationship, I was simply asking a synastry question for myself to which I am still waiting (3 days and counting....) for a reply. But,somehow in a few hours I have gotten many responses to this thread.
I think your response Mblover, was quite agressive and personal (AND WRONG) in its facts and that is exactly what I mean by the superiority complex that people have on here.
I do not expect any responses, but as I said in my intital post, I thought astrology was meant to help people.
I pay my own personal astrologer and taroh reader for their time...and I guess, I will continue to do so since the posters on here are either rude and inaccurate or just plain unhelpful.

posted July 23, 2008 03:05 AM         

I don't think spoon-feeding is what LL is about. We're here to discuss astrological issues, not necessarily "counsel", and a great majority of posters are not experienced astrologers.

Linda Goodman was paid for her books and her advice.
Everything is a give and take. Maybe if you offered to give an interpretation to the person who replies - as well as receive one.. they'd be more likely to give it a go. And that would also be great practice!

That being said it takes some time to interpret someone else's chart, mainly when they don't ask a specific question. Many people might already have busy lives.

It's much easier to ask a specific question and get posters to talk about their own personal experiences, with similar aspects - and learn from that.

If you're complaining about LindaLand, I wonder what you'd think about the rules on this site:
http://www.nodeorama.com/misc.php?action=rules

I think the problem with new posters who ask chart interpretation questions is - they are not always interested in contributing to the site. They'll come in - ask their question, expect an answer.. and if they get one - they disappear, never to be heard from again.
So they are basically using people, without giving anything back.
I'm not saying this is always the case, but I have noticed it on a few occasions.

I would much rather have more threads where people can share their own experiences, as opposed to threads centered around *one* person's chart and romantic situation - because I actually am interested in astrology as a subject.
I'm not just interested in astrology and how it applies to myself and my own relationships.

If it is so important to you that you receive an interpretation you could always try meeting with a professional astrologer in your area, or finding someone online - i don't have anyone to recommend because I've never done this, but maybe other people do.. (:edit: I just noticed you said you had one)

posted July 23, 2008 03:54 AM         

I love this site. I came here with an open mind, open heart, an attitude that didn't expect anything from anyone, and yet to my utter surprise and gratefulness l found wonderfully warm people whom naturally wanted to share and help me.

I have learnt so much on here that if LL had an address I would send flowers to it every week. I am extremely conscious of out-staying my welcome here or over-stepping the line of asking for help and now thankfully, I am able to help a bit too on simple astrological questions so slowly I'm paying off the kindness debt

I genuinely like everyone in here. Recently I have had to endure a sad breakup with my love and my friends in LL have been more than supportive. They have been truly compassionate toward me and I am exceptionally thankful and blessed.

I think it's unfair to blame LL. We all have free-will and to enter LL expecting free help is quote outrageous really. It's a give/give relationship and if you give a bit, others will give you a bit. 'me me me' is not really LL. I also think that to start blaming people for not giving you want you think you deserve smacks of spoilt brat attitude and is pretty unevolved, isn't it?

posted July 23, 2008 04:43 AM         

It was first very open to " this sign male to that sign post female " and how to get this male or female.... used to get reply...Crazy and humorous questions were asked and people used to answer them without any expectation that why should I write or read a reply....It wasn't that I am a professional astrolger and lindaland is my source of income...and the people at linda goodman are my clients... People used to just share their experiences and tips as that was something related to them.People were excited and were networking...It was more of astrological and till some extent networking site...maybe people used to get psychological help too...nothing wrong in helping a fellow human being...

Also there were some people who were plain nasty and ruined it by being bad to nice people...Nobody wants to be nice to nasty people...

Such questions were also stopped because they had turn quiet repititve....however still there is no search function...and honestly I have tried google several times and not got any threads which I want form Lindaland....I guess I am not so good at hunting after all...

Some people were stopped to post personal and those kind of silly questions....

Some people over grown of astrology thus left or couldn't be bothered to go deeper and know all the charts science and learn all the aspects and their influence....as even after knowing all this aspects one can't know actual outcome with a specific answers...it isn't maths where 1+ 2 = 3 and when astrology doesn't give those answer one would think why one should learn all that....To discover different aspects and not reaching any goal...can be frustrating for some...

Maybe some actually realised what they had to do at that time...One needs to be Passionate and Motivated to learn more which I suppose one gets in the astrological lessons in lindaland.

So now a days when people are asked about charts and serious stuff...which is knowlwdge people are expecting rewards and for which rightly lindaland has got a section...

From past 1 year maybe everyone had their own problems and stuff to do and they are not so keen on just doing reading and not getting anything in return which I think is fair as they are putting an effort and personally I feel that if there was any way I could pay these astrologer I would have..ofcourse not huge sums but just some....probably I don't know how I can do that...

I have been buying reports from astro.com because there is a shopping basket however I just think that there was some kind of openness and there was a networking element
in lindaland...where people were talking to people and making friends....The only common thing was astrology...I would like that openness to be back...I would like that friendship element there....I think that support and knowing others experiences is highly missed....

Let Business be business and Let Personal be Personal....Please don't mix too...as it is just creating bad feeling and bad taste in the mouth of all...

posted July 23, 2008 05:04 AM         

I really don't mind those rules...honestly...atleast there is a structure and not chaos like lindaland... where people are left unnoticed and doesn't even know when they breach a rule...I am sorry lindaland can be at times la la land where one can be lost....

I think I will be much happier and feel comfortable once I know what to expect and what not to...probably that is also problem of others who sent post....

Lara : Thank you for letting me know that you have got favorable response...it just reinforces my trust in Lindaland...

posted July 23, 2008 05:22 AM         

The threadstarter states he or she`s being ignored, but he basically ignores all answers except for one.

This is an open place where many people meet. And it`s like in all such places; some get along well (and YES there are still friendships being formed, but maybe not as apparent as it was before; I don`t know), some don`t.

And yes it happens that threads remain unanswered. It happened to some of my threads, too. It was just not the right time. A few weeks later the same topic would come up and it got more responses. That`s jsut life. There`s a time for everything.

But I never saw that as a place where everyone gets an astrological analysis for free and disappears again. I always thought that was a place to exchange thoughts and learn and grow.
If someone is really interested in astrology, they should learn doing it on themselves, and they will get all the help they need on that way. I`m sure of that.
If they are only interested in a reading, well there are professional astrologers all over the net.

I usually try to stay away from threads like this one, but I honestly am a little bit fed up with people coming here and demanding a free reading without even giving feedback or a "Thank you".
You know sometimes you have to give something, before you get something in return.

Glaucus,

I`m sorry to hear that it didn`t work out between your girlfriend and you.

DD

posted July 23, 2008 07:33 AM         

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Hi All,

I've been frequenting this site for a couple years now, trying to learn more about about astrology and all its different aspects. I read many of the posts and have come to see how things work around here and am quite disappointed.

This site being an honor to Linda Goodman, im so surprised that the astrologers on here are more inclined to dispute and assert their intelligence and superiority on the subject, than actually help people when they are asking questions that are important to them and personal in nature.

Im all for discussing and learning about vertexes, orbs, grand trines, asteroids and more complex astrological issues, but I also know that being an astrologer first and foremost should be to shed light on people and their paths, inner feelings, personal relationships and to fundamentally help people solve the mysteries of life.

I have come to see on here, that whenever someone asks a personal question, whether it be a birth chart interpretation or synastry compatibility reading, they are ignored and nobody replies to their posts.

I have posted twice in a year and both posts have gone unanswered. I am not "selfish", I simply wish for some help in a topic which I cannot figure out myself....

Does anyone else feel this way on Lindaland?

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Not me, but then again, I dont really ask too many questions.

You feel that some people have submitted questions looking for help, but have been ignored. Yourself included.
Not much can be done about that as it is not the requirement of the site to answer every question as if it were a call centre.
Maybe people dont feel comfortable in answering a question, or the wording makes it somewhat difficult to answer.

I agree that discussing astological politics/technique is not good when a student asks for help, but that is only if the original intent of the 1st post gets sidetracked in favour of ethics/politics etc.
I gather this is a place for not only getting answers to vital questions, but also for learning fom other astrologers about politics/technique and whatever else can be shared.

You state that you "know being an astologer first and foremost is should be to shed light on people and their paths etc"
That sounds fine, but not every one has the same teacher as you.

I do hope that you get some help, but may I suggest if you have not done this already, to have a look on other astrology websites for help, combined with this . Not all of them offer free readings though.

posted July 23, 2008 07:44 AM         

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I have come to see on here, that whenever someone asks a personal question, whether it be a birth chart interpretation or synastry compatibility reading, they are ignored and nobody replies to their posts

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Look harder, because that's a generalisation. I was ignored at the beginning and rightly so, as I had 8 posts to my name, was asking a personal question (who knew whether their time investment would even be read, let alone appreciated?) and came bounding in like a labrador. Listen, look, learn, engage. I learned some humility before I reaped the friendships that are waaaay plentiful on here. Hope you do too.