posted July 25, 2008 02:27 PM         

and I am

April 19, 1983 at 2:15am born in
brooklyn, ny

Now, my sense of serendipity thinks its nice we are born 4 days apart. but why do I get the feeling this is a astrological mistake...I've done reports, but I would like some human opinnion please. Anyone tell me if she would be attracted to me? Is too much conjunction a bad thing?

anyone good at really explaining synastry?

also, does anyone know about astrology when it is pertaining to lesbians?

posted July 25, 2008 03:11 PM         

During the birthdates given, Gemini Venus (a mercurial Venus) opposes a retrograde Uranus in Sagittarius rather tightly (less than 2 degrees).

I didn't bother looking at your individual birthtimes, so I don't know house positions, which are naturally a crucial consideration.

posted July 25, 2008 03:32 PM         

I don't mean to get too controversial, this is only how I've understood homosexuality as an outsider, so don't assault me for any ignorance I portray... but I generally find homosexuals have a profound love/hate for themselves. In my humble opinion, lesbians don't hate men, they hate women, and it shows in the subversion of their own feminity; killing their own feminine aspects, identifying more with masculine traits, often while screaming for women's rights. The mixture is socially sado-masochistic; essentially a display of narcissism.

posted July 25, 2008 05:03 PM         

I think you are completely misunderstanding the lesbian movement and culture, and you are grossly generalizing. I am not a lesbian but I feel someone has to counter your views here.

there are all types of lesbians, it is only the most visible majority that appear "butch" with short hair and the like. Has it ever occured to you that some of these lesbians may simply be masculinized from birth? Or that they simplyl have a preference for that style, or that it's a cultural thing, a sort of dress code?

posted July 25, 2008 07:45 PM         

to BR

And in other news:

Lesbos locals lose lesbian appeal

Three residents of the Greek island of Lesbos have lost an attempt to ban the use of the word "lesbian" to describe gay women.

posted July 25, 2008 08:50 PM         

I'm so pleased that you remembered that you're still a Sheriff in my Generalizations Police Force, and went out to that most dangerous of places, the Unawareness Neighborhood, to fight the good fight!!

Do you still have your paddle??

posted July 25, 2008 08:59 PM         

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I don't mean to get too controversial, this is only how I've understood homosexuality as an outsider, so don't assault me for any ignorance I portray... but I generally find homosexuals have a profound love/hate for themselves. In my humble opinion, lesbians don't hate men, they hate women, and it shows in the subversion of their own feminity; killing their own feminine aspects, identifying more with masculine traits, often while screaming for women's rights. The mixture is socially sado-masochistic; essentially a display of narcissism

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....just an opening for others to feel sorry for a person with such a hostile view on women who feel the depths of love that can never be expressed in male/female sex.

You ought to try it sometime - your soul will taste Nirvana in it's truest form of love.

posted July 25, 2008 09:56 PM         

Now, if I may further clarify my position...

Uranus, the planet well associated with "homosexuality" has as much been associated with "individuation". The need to be special. Yes, narcissism. There is very good reason why Aquarius/Uranus opposes Leo/Sun. Among other qualities, it's an Ego axis. The stereotypical contradictions of lesbianism, and in my observations, the subversion of femininity with simultaneous female glorification is indeed a very Uranian contradiction.

I believe it is social sado-masochism because it shakes the tenets of "traditional" sexual society (sadism), while personally gaining satisfaction, perhaps unconsciously, by purging "traditional" expected roles of a specific individual's sexuality (masochism).

I'm not talking about whips and chains, people, I'm talking about extremely subtle mental processes.

I fully accept and embrace homosexuality on a social scale, I just have some divisive opinions as to it's roots in the psyche.

As a Scorpio, squaring the ego-axis of Leo/Aqua, we enjoy breaking down egos, sometimes by postulating unpopular concepts.

posted July 25, 2008 11:28 PM         

i don't understand the psyche of someone who denigrates groups of people for excitement

posted July 26, 2008 12:23 AM         

Let's not throw twigs on the witch's stake, and learn to share this beautiful planet, with all of its majestic creations, in Love and Peace.

posted July 26, 2008 12:46 AM         

But where does there only have to be one root, and why does it have to be in the psyche?

Could it not be a multitude of tendencies, factors, and influences, why do we have to pigeon-hole it in one catch all ultimate truth?

What about the biological factor?

What about the social factor? Have you ever hear of gay until graduation?

Hi Zala, you never thought you'd see me policing the generalizers, but it happened!

posted July 26, 2008 01:25 AM         

I actually think there would be enough differences between you at a Sun/Moon level to spice things up a little. The conjunctions show a lot of mutual understanding and attraction. A fling would work out great. A friendship would also work out.
I'm not entirely sure about a long term relationship.. You may both find you are just too simlar in all of the conjunction areas (same highs, same lows) and want something different after a while.
But it's worth going for!

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what's a "grand fire trine" mean?

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posted July 26, 2008 02:03 AM         

1 - A lot of the things you have mentioned are psychological irregularities (I'd go as far as to call them disorders) which DO apply to certain people or groups of people (who have those psychological problems) but they do not specifically apply to women who are lesbians.

One example is: "lesbians don't hate men, they hate women"

If you replaced the word "lesbians" with - "women who were abused in their childhood by their own mothers" - it might make some sense. That is a group of women out there who, your psychological generalization may LOGICALLY apply to. There would be a logical reason for it.. i.e. being abused in their childhood

The sentences you typed - throwing the word "lesbian" at the start of every psychological disorder you could think of, are illogical. They simply don't make sense.

They make as much sense as me doing the following -

This is the definition for Alzheimer's at wikipedia:

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Alzheimer's disease (AD), also called Alzheimer disease or simply Alzheimer's, is the most common type of dementia. Alzheimer's is a degenerative and terminal disease for which there is no known cure. In its most common form, it afflicts individuals over 65 years old, although a less prevalent early-onset form also exists.

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And this is now my made-up definition of Lesbianism (I've learnt from the best)-

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Lesbianism, also called homosexuality is the most common type of dementia. It is a degenerative and terminal disease for which there is no known cure. In its most common form it afflicts feminists, although a less prevalent form which affects sado-masochists, also exists.

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So YES - ScorpWeb - there are psychological diseases out there that sound like what you are describing – only you've changed all the variables to specifically suit lesbians.

There may be some lesbians who end up having Alzheimers one day, purely based on statistics. That does not mean Alzheimers is deeply connected with being a lesbian

In this same manner, some women have psychological problems.. Some men do also, and some of these men and women may also be homosexual.. but the reason for their psychological disorders is NOT their homosexuality, and their homosexuality is not the result of some disorder. Because there are many homosexual people who do not have these issues.. and there are many people who are not homosexual and who DO have the issues you've described (such as low self-esteem, sado-masochism and hating others).

2.

posted July 26, 2008 02:50 AM         

I find it sad that everyone is intent on keeping it smelling like roses around here.

I'm forthright, and if my words aren't popular here, I'm called an antagonist. So be it.

The one who steps out of line gets beaten. Nice.

BleuArtemis asked how too many homogeneous placements within her relationship might manifest, and I stated my opinion.

I don't know where my opinions come from, but I certainly won't censor them.

I've always been open to the possibility of being wrong in any of my opinions, but we're not going to learn anything if the numbing politically correct bliss around here doesn't stop.

Yes, I generalize; I pay attention to trends. Astrology is nothing if it isn't about observing trends.

posted July 26, 2008 03:02 AM         

adolf hitler thought his ideas were right

there's no political correctness here - just mature, sensitive and professional people

posted July 26, 2008 05:38 AM         

Coral ~ I totally got what you were saying, thanks for the dose of pure rationality.

Scorpionic ~ Not wanting to attack you or anything but is it awfully hard for you to see your own generalization? There probably exists a number of women who hate other women and they just happen to be lesbians but don't you agree that there are women out there who LOVE women and happen to be lesbians??

i've known a pair such as this, maybe you have never experienced it??

Bleu~ sorry that your thread was hijacked, i wish i was more knowledgable in astrology but i'm still quite a novice. you are so right about it being nice to have some positive energy flowing with another, it feels so amazing!

LOVE IS LOVE and it absolutely has no stereotypes or preference at its core.