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Got Gemini?
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posted July 30, 2008 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
What is your Venus sign (and degree) and what planets/points in your chart do you feel modify it? Do you feel your Venus modified by your planets/points shows strongly in your life and love relationships? Also, what house is your Venus in and let us know if that placement has been playing out in your life.

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Virgo Asc & Mars
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon (conjunct Pluto 0º in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus

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posted July 30, 2008 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
venus in 1st house - self-love has been a very big lesson and part of my life and it's in aries which needs to be balanced - which is where jupiter in scorpio in 7th fits in nicely. plus with aries ascendant - libra descendant balances too. my vertex is also in libra in 7th.

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posted July 30, 2008 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
My Venus is in 29.16 Cancer in the 11th house. I feel, even though it is not in aspect with the moon, that it IS highly intertwined with my 2nd house Moon in 14 degrees Libra. Funny thing is, the ruler of my Venus is the moon and the ruler of my moon is Venus. I wonder if that makes a difference.

In romantic relationships, I see my Venus play out strongly. I always want to make sure the other person is taken good care of. My moon makes me want the other person to treat me the same. I get attached easily and it is hard for me to let go. That sucks big time.

In friendships, I've had the same 4 best friends for over 15 years and they are like my brothers.

In domestic things, I love a beautiful home with my family. I'm not sure how the 11th house placement affects me but I'll find out.

What about you guys?

Here is my chart aspects:


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Virgo Asc & Mars
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon (conjunct Pluto 0º in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus

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darkdreamer
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posted July 30, 2008 11:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Venus in Capricorn in 1st house square Pluto and antiscia Mercury and Sun.

Self-love has always been an issue for me, too.
Actually Venus doesn`T fit to the rest of my chart.

You see on the one side: Venus in Capricorn square pLuto - dark depressing inhibited.

On the other side: Stellium of Sun, Mercury, Mars, NN and ASC in Sagittarius; Moon in Aquarius - very intellectual, idealistic with a need for independence.

And Neptune ocnjunct Mars, ASC and NN and; chartruler Jupiter in Pisces square Neptune - so there is a strong Neptune overtone, too.

You could say I am mainly composed of Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune; always living in the clouds of my mind, where everything is airy, floating, superinteresting, dreamy, but also quite unrealistic, with a definite aversion agains anything too physical (Neither Uranus nor Neptune really inhabit their bodies; it is all about mind and soul).

And then may I introduce Venus?
in Capricorn in 1st house squaring Pluto on the top of my MC, therefore elevated.
And Venus also rules my 5th house (and my 6th and 10th house, while Pluto rules my 11th and 12th house).
You can see, they really dominate the axis 5-11, and 6-12, even though they are expressed through a connection of 1st and 10th house.

NOT FUNNY!
HUGE lesson in life, I can atell you. And most of the time I think I tend to suppress this Venus-Pluto-Saturn-connection and hide it where it is safe (even though there is not much to hide in 1st and 10th house - others may see it more clearly than I can see it myself). It usually only is expressed in my preference for dark stories (but not TOO dark please), reading and writing, and often when I had written something I would sit there and denied that I wrote it. Because I can`t write something like THIS.


But well, it is no coincidence that I have been born to a mother with Sun and Mercury in Scorpio and Moon widely conjunct Saturn, and to a father who has Moon in 8th house, Venus opposing Pluto and Saturn sitting on his ASC and his chartruler being in Capricorn.
(He also has Sun, Venus and Jupiter in Aquarius and Mars in Libra - so that saved his soul, I guess. lol My Mum has Uranus in 1st house and probably Aquarius on MC).

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darkdreamer
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posted July 30, 2008 11:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Got Gemini,

you have a mutual reception of Moon and Venus, that is a very strong connection, like a very very dominant conjunction.

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darkdreamer
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posted July 30, 2008 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message
PA,

you know what is interesting?
Patrick has a very similiar pattern in his chart.

Sun, Moon, MC in Sagittarius; Venus in 11th house sextile Uranus; ASC in Pisces exactly trine Uranus; Mars conjunct Jupiter.

And then on the other hand there is:
Venus in Capricorn trine Saturn and square Pluto.
Sun, Moon and MC squared by Saturn.
Saturn and Pluto in 7th house, with Saturn conjunct DSC.

Well, his neat little Venus-Pluto-square connects the 11th house (Venus) with the 7th house (Pluto), so for him it`s probably easier to project Pluto on a partner, and be rid of it, seemingly.
Venus rules his 2nd and 7th house (intercepted) and Pluto rules his 8th house.

THAT is REALLY interesting. We both have this tension in the fixed house-cross. him 2nd and 8th, me 5th and 11th.
But to make it more interesting, I also have some tension from 2nd to eighth, as the ruler of my 2nd house is in my 8th house, and the ruler of my 8th house is in my 2nd house, and both are exactly quinkunx each other (Moon-Saturn).
And his 5th house ruler (Moon) squares the ruler of 11th house (Saturn).


So the fixed cross seems to be a source of personal tension for both of us.

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posted July 30, 2008 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
I feel like I talk about my Venus A LOT.

Its at 29 Pisces in the 10th, square Saturn/Uranus both at 29 Sag.

Summed up: Pain is love.

But it's kind of funny that I have such a deep need for love, because my Venus can be highly materialistic (10th house shines through!). I'll either marry for money or a deep sacrificing love, but no in between.

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posted July 30, 2008 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I guess my Venus represents the type of "cerebral" or: more mentally inclined kind of loving.

VENUS is placed in my 9th HOUSE (house of intellect/philosphy/mental aspirations) in VIRGO (a very "mental" sign). To make it short: I never lose my head, no matter how temptuous or passionate a love affair may be.

From a lover, I expect (more or less consciously) that he might be able to widen my (mental/intellectual) horizons. I love discussions, extensive talks about all topics - without regarding any "taboo"-thoughts. (Ruler of my Venus-sign Virgo is Mercury, and my Mercury is placed in my 8th house - I really want to find out things and study things AND people(!) to the core, if I am intersted - so I tend to "study" my partner attentively and closely - I wanna know how his soul and mind are working.)

I crave inllectual inspiration from my partners - and I tend to deliver that to them too. Inllectual/mental harmony - and maybe a similar basic philosophy on life - is very important to me.

I also like dealing with "aesthetics" very much, and am quite discriminate as fas as "style" goes - be it "style" in fashion, music, a way of speaking or behaving. I wouldn't rate myself as being overly critical - but: discriminate. I'd say I can "read" different styles of expressions, how someone walks and talks ... it tells me a lot about their background and personality and motivations (that's at least what I think that it tells me.)

I also must feel "free to roam" and even though Venus in Virgo promises some quite earthy attachment ... I prefer a rather "detached" style of bonding. I am afraid to be "caged in" (geographically or mentally), I am not the type that needs to talk on the phone every single day or something ... I crave my time on my own and I grant that to my partner as well.

The "9th house -foreign country factor": My first crush as a teenager was a foreigner, my first real boyfriend was a foreigner too; in my longest "marriage-like" relationship foreign countries played an important part, because both of us had to travel there and partly lived there during these nine years, due to profeesional reasons. My latest boyfriend was from a foreign country as well and I even was about to move there completely before we split. The song-line "Have love, will travel" certainly matches my love life.

PROBLEMATIC ASPECTS: My VENUS CONJUNCT SOUTH NODE/OPPOS: NORTH NODE. It is also cj. my Parts of Deceit and Prudentia, Sensitivity and Anacreon - I have some strongly developed moral principles, no pretences or dishonesty from me, when I am in love. I expect the same from my partner - but got disappointed in that regard several times. Sometimes my kind of loving may come up as too strict as well. The opposition from Virgo-Venus to NN in Pisces might teach me to losen up a little, by being more tolerant and compassionate ...

Neutral aspect: My VENUS SQUARE ASC = I can be very attractive to some and come on too strong or too mysteriously to others. It's a strong "either-or-effect". I don't have to dress up every single day - but if I do, I always take care that my "look" is quite unique, individual and ... witty.;-) I do care about my "style" a lot. Same goes for my surroundings/appartment/musical taste: Very choosy, not necessarily expansive taste, I am happy with little belongings, but they must be chosen well - always a very personal touch to everything.

Worst aspect: VENUS SQUARE NEPTUNE: Love starts with the highest hopes and expecations - and gets disappointed very soon, always. Reality NEVER seems to satisfy my dreamy expectations - and I NEVER seem to learn. Apart from that, my choice of love-partners ... can be doubtable. But I am the last one to see and learn ... (Positive side-effect of that square: I CAN be very alluring to some, can draw them into kind of a "spell" easily - but there are others who would always distrust me, no matter how sincere I am...)

Two more significant aspects: VENUS TRINE JUNO & CERES in 5th house - "marriage" must be for the sake of love - no compromise, no lukewarmness possible for me in that regard. And: VENUS TRINE EROS in 2nd house - deep in my heart I obviously crave for a reliable, maybe a tad "conservative" partner, a secure bond with strong (moral) values.

RULERSHIPS: My 6th, 7th (DSC) and 11th house are ruled by Venus. I am dealing with arts/aesthetics in my job (6th house) and I am doing this with words (Venus in Virgo in 9th). I hope for a "real love"-partner (DSC ruled by Venus) and ... 11th house ... I don't know.


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posted July 30, 2008 12:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message
P.S.: Also, to make the story "complete";-) : My 9th house-ruler (where Venus is placed) is Sagittarius - and that's the sign my Moon is in - Moon in the 1st house. So: "Roaming" mentally and geographically and inspiring and encouraging each other in his/her objectives is a vital part of love for me. AND: honesty and being "real"/"authentic".

Now you know EVERYTHING about my kinda lovin' ;-)

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posted July 30, 2008 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
My Venus is at 13.45 Scorpio in the 1st house. It is conjunct my Moon, Mercury, and Uranus; it squares my Leo Mars; it is in mutable reception to my Libra Pluto.

The most difficult aspect would definitely be the Mars square as I have a Libra ascendent and Aries decendent. Relationships are a challenge to say the least as my timing is always off (i.e. when to apply Venus and when to apply Mars). The Uranus/Venus conjunction (and square to Mars, of course) only enhances this tendency and my need for total independence.

The easiest aspect would be the Moon-Venus conjunction (which is exact; only 9 minutes separate them). It does give me an understanding of women, even if Mars is being tactless around them!

As for the 1st house placement, well as many other people have said, self-love has always been a major issue for me and a very intense one due to the Scorpio placement.

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posted July 30, 2008 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Got Gemini? !

Your Venus in Cancer and Moon in Libra configuration is called a Mutual Reception, just in case you did not know that I picture this in my mind's eye as a lovely sparkling figure eight energy flowing around each of the planets intimately connecting them in this life time. So, to answer your question, this does make a difference.

My Venus is 8*Scorpio in the 5th house.
It's conjunct Uranus and North Node.
Venus in Scorpio is in Mutual Reception with Pluto in Libra (Pluto and my Sun are conjunct in the 4th).
Venus is also square both my Aqua Moon and Leo Saturn - a rather difficult t-square (but I guess I can say I do love a challenge).

I feel like there is a menage a trois energy in my chart between Libra/Venus, Aquarius/Uranus, and Scorpio/Pluto.

So, I guess to start out, I will say that I can never really look at just my Venus by itself since it is combined with Uranus energy (plus in Mutual Reception with my Pluto). I think Venus and Uranus tend to get along quite well, and the Scorpio energy adds a bit of mystery and darkness (to me, darkness can mean things that are not mainstream or widely accepted, etc).
I am friendly, yet not too friendly. I tend to use my friendly-ness as a distancing defense mechanism.
I always joke with my close friends that I got the unfortunate combination of being somewhat shy and reserved and detached. This doesn't bode well in the making of friends hehe.
I am weird, but not exactly openly so. Venus tries to keep Uranus in check (as in acting refined and doing what is expected of me), and it's about a 50/50 chance that this works, hehe.
I am reserved, but once I get to know someone I am truly loyal. I will help my friends out in just about any way I can.
I am into the arts, including the occult and healing/transformative kind of arts. I like anything a little weird, not typical, unexpected, and so on and so forth. I really appreciate what my fellow artists manifest in this realm!

I was trying to think of all my aspects at once when writing this, but, there are a bunch of them! I'm hoping I made some sense since my Venus aspects seem to jumble all together.

Have a weird day

P.S. darkdreamer, hello! What does 'antiscia' mean? I suppose I could look it up myself but I wanted to hear what you had to say instead. Thanks friend.

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
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posted July 30, 2008 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have Venus in Scorpio AND conjunct Pluto :O And despite having Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sag, I can be very intense and sensitive. I feel like my Venus placement really does show what kinds of things I find beautiful and of value - dark fairytales, tales of loss, enduring hardship, working through extreme pain, mysteries.

And, I do tend to get ahead of the usual sequence of formality when forming a relationship with others, esp romantic ones. I kind of foreshorten that middle part of getting to know each other for weeks and just throw myself into an intense bond with the other person. And I am very curious about other people, which for Scorpio leads to grilling them for every last detail of their thoughts and lives.

With my conjunction to Pluto, I feel that I am very sensitive to power in relationships, and I am very uncomfortable overstepping my own bounds when it comes to affecting other people, and of course I cannot abide very much restriction over myself (bolstered by my Aqua Moon and Sag Sun).

My Venus is in the 5th house, which I feel directs me towards creative pursuits and more one-on-one interactions.

I've always felt these two polar tugs between wanting to circulate among people (Sun in Sag, Moon in Aqua) and wanting alone/one-on-one time where I could safely expose my true nature. It's strange, because my Aqua Moon (while sensitive in its own way) asserts that I need nobody's approval and that I'm happy doing my own thing, but my Scorp Venus is extremely sensitive and though it can be just as good at covering it up, it still leaves wounds.

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Got Gemini?
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posted July 30, 2008 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Can someone interpret my Venus Sesquiquadrature my Neptune 2˚? I can't find info on that anywhere.

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Virgo Asc & Mars
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon (conjunct Pluto 0º in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury
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darkdreamer
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posted July 30, 2008 12:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hexxie, antiscia and contrascia are the mirror degrees, which every sign has.

Aries: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini: Cancer and Capricorn
Cancer: Gemini and Sagittarius
Leo: Taurus and Scorpio
Virgo: Libra and Aries
LIbra: Virgo and Pisces
Scorpio: Aquarius and Leo
Sagittarius: Capricorn and Cancer
Aquarius: SCorpio and Taurus
Pisces: Aries and LIbra

Those are the signs that are equidistant from 0° Capricorn or 0° Libra.

To calculate the antiscia you just substract the longitude of a planet from 30°.

Example: My Venus is on 6° Capricorn

30° - 6°: 24°

And Venus has its antiscionsign in Sagittarius and the contrascion in Gemini.

So the exact placement of the antiscion of my Venus is 24° Sagittarius and my Sun and Mercury happen to fall onto 25° Sagittarius (I allow 2° orb for these connections, others may only regard them if they are exact).

Those antiscias could sometimes explain mysterious attractions.

DD

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augentier
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posted July 30, 2008 01:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have Venus in Scorpio, in my first house. I feel like my Pluto in Scorpio modifies it, although they are not conjunct by aspect..maybe because my Pluto closely conjuncts my ASC (Scorp) . I also have a trine between my Venus and my Mars in Pisces and I definitely feel that. Not even my Sagittarius moon can dig me out of the emotional ruts I get into

I think my 1st house Venus has shown through in the way that even though I come across as intimidating or "b!tchy" .. I EASILY warm up to people, and I am very cooperative in social situations.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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venusmars
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posted July 30, 2008 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusmars     Edit/Delete Message
Hi..
my venus is in libra.It is in 3rd house cusp,but in the 2nd.
my venus conjunct with mars,sun and uranus.
saturn square my venus.
I have venus sextile moon.chiron oppose venus.
minor aspects..
neptune semisquare my venus..
jupiter sesquiquadrate venus..

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stillatlarge
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posted July 30, 2008 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Venus in Cancer in the 12th. It's great for the other person but hell for me.

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My venus is in Capricorn 26d5', house 11. So despite how emotional I am in relationships, I actually prefer it to be no drama, slow to begin with and best friends first as prerequisite (house 11?). Right now I just want platonic love...

My venus semisextiles Uranus in Sag. It's partially true that I get bored easily but I'm willing to stay if I feel love is still there...We'll travel the life together, take a break in between, together again...that's okay to me haha. I love intellectual guys. My only fire planets are Uranus and Saturn but that's the same case for my whole generation! I guess this aspect of Venus-Uranus and Sun in late 12th house (thus in first house Aries) explains why I was attracted to a Sag and attract people who have Fire all over their charts.

Phewwww!

My venus squares Mars in Taurus. I blow hot and cold, want intimacy/closeness but the other time fear and swim away. The Mars in stubborn and slow Taurus (yet sensual..?) make me a control freak of myself. I have no intention of controlling anyone. I feel like I deprive myself of love a lot of time. Yet I'm stubborn and so sticked to my rule: keep it slow, cool and best friends first.

Phewww again haha

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posted July 30, 2008 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Hey G

Venus in Aries in the 7th house, 6 degrees conj the DC, opposite Mars, and forming a T Square w/ my MC/Jupiter. Loverly.

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posted July 30, 2008 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message

7th sitting on the descendant.

Modification: it's one end of a T-Square with Mars and the NN at the apex. Also Conjunct Mercury.

How this plays out: I work hard to keep my temper under control. The older I get the more I see the value in channelling my energies into creative pursuits.

There are some hilarious threads in the archives where Venus to Ascendant/Descendant people fight it out to extol their (own) beauty. I can assure there is nothing stunning about my person.

Midpoints ~>

SATURN=SUN/VENUS

CafeAstrology are bang on the money:

quote:
You dislike ostentatiousness, pretentiousness, and glamour.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpointspictures2.html

The Taurus influence underscores this. I can't stand bullsh!tters or fakes. It goes equally for relationships and the literary bent mentioned by the midpoints below collectively.

Also:

JUPITER=SUN/VENUS

and a little wider NEPTUNE=SUN/VENUS

NEPTUNE=SUN/MERCURY because of the closeness of Mercury and Venus, they walk hand in hand.


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posted July 30, 2008 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I've mentioned this before on the GC post that was floating around before.

I have venus in sag/9th (26th deg) on the GC. Its unaspected. It only has one aspect and that is to chiron (in 1st).

I'm not sure how I relate to it. I think I do to some extent because it is deposited by my jupiter that is sitting in the 1st on my asc, which also happens to be almuten (and I'd like to know how it operates as it deposits my moon!). Yes, I like a good sense of humour and use this when I have tried to get someone, I'm a bit of teaser in matters of the heart, bit philopshical too. However, I don't tend to use it a lot or rely on it because its unaspected. Maybe I don't understand it. I just don't know...

Edit - I have had a lot of venus progressions recently and will be going through about 15 years worth more. I think I saw its effects when it progressed to conj my sun a few years ago. It made me feel very feminine and charming for a while. I certainly never felt it that much before this progression.

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posted July 30, 2008 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Is it worth having a look at Venus midpoints, 23?

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posted July 30, 2008 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
BM - Midpoints involving venus as part of it or venus in the midpoint of two other planets?

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posted July 30, 2008 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swirl-kitt     Edit/Delete Message
Well I have Venus in Libra, it's in the 4th house.

My Cancer Ascendant and Libra Venus go pretty well actually. Virgo Mars also makes me less aggressive. I hate conflicts etc. I'm usually nice, sometimes too nice to people. But my very close friends and family know that I can be very aggressive due to my Scorpio sun and Aries moon.

Also, due to Cancer Asc, I tend to pout, but I feel like my Libra Venus and Virgo mars don't let me show my negative feelings so I sometimes feel like I can't be who I really am- that I always have to smile and be polite. Although it shows I still can't hide my moods completely

Libra in 4th house is kind of true for me as well, home is important to me, as for most people, and the atmosphere. However, at this point of my life, I care more about the neighbourhood than the actual house I live in. It's enough for me if the place is simply and neatly decorated. I cared more about that until I was 20 !

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posted July 30, 2008 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Got Gemini,

My Venus is 21* in Cancer, in the 9th House.

I find that i like girly men. Do you find that as well? Being that your Venus is in Cancer also...? I simply cannot figure it out. I like fair-featured, intense, passionate, conflicted, feminine men.

The confliction and intensity would be a result of my Venus being:

Conjunct my Jupiter
Conjunct my Chiron
Trine my Pluto
Sextile my Mars
Opposite my Saturn
Opposite my Neptune

As for Houses, i do find that in a partner i NEED someone who is an intellectual. If he's not intelligent, he's not attractive. At all. I think in all actuality i am looking for a dark quiet mystery. A poet. A gypsy. Yes.. sounds accurate.

Also regarding 9th House, i am sincerely infatuated with British men, which would be where the foreign is coming into play. Not purposefully mind you. I see films, or listen to music, or read poems, you know, and when i go to do research on the creator, 9.79 times out of 10 he is British.

I also feel attached to England. I feel like a foreigner in America. Like... i cannot describe it... but i just feel AT HOME in England. It's where i am supposed to be... you know? I must sound crazy...

But ANYWHO, what i am looking for in a man contradicts my Mars in Taurus. I think... so Got Gemini, are you attracted to similar men, or qualities?

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