posted August 09, 2008 08:13 AM         

They divorced and then remarried only one year later, and they have been "together" till her death.
It seems to have been one of these "I can`t live with you, can`t live without you"-tales.
But according to a poem she wrote of him and what he said publicly about here, there was also utmost admiration for each other, a strange mixture of passion and tenderness.

Now I had a look at their synastry. Natally they were both extreme individuals. She with a strong Leo ASC and a challenging opposition of Sun / Neptune to Mars / Uranus from 11th to 5th house.
Extremely sensitive and creative and yet headstrong, passionate and an absolute individualist.
Exact Venus-Pluto-conjunction again emphasises the theme of passion.
The stuffed 11th house shows that she was very much her own person and what we could call a "feminist" (she outed herself as bisexual in the men-dominated Mexican culture!).

Diego was not a softie either (a softie would never have been able to keep up with her).
(Funny enough his ASC falls exactly onto my ASC, we share a Sag-Sun, and an interchange of Venus and Mars-placements. lol But that is where the common things end. ).
However, Diego had the ruler of his DSC, Mercury exactly on his ASC - a neverendeing hunger for new informations, new contacts (new conquests?), and the ruler of 7 in 1st is always a sign of a very passionate nature and often signifies people who can`t say No to a love affair (escpecially not with Mercury as ruler, who lives for getting new insights and inspirations. Pluto is ocnjunct his DC and opposes his Mercury on the DSC - so this pluto just sharpens that picture, he was probably a rather obsessive character.

The ruler of 1st house in the 11th house is a sign of his love for freedom and of his political views.

Uranus in 10th widely squares Mars, the rulero f 5th house in 2.
He needed change (uranus) and since he was a very sensual and physical character, who expressed himself (ruler of 5th house) over his body (2nd house) in a very masculine way (Mars) this could very well lead to unconventional loveaffairs (Mars square Uranus), that would become public (Uranus in 10th.)
Saturn in 8th opposes his Mars and squares his Uranus, making this a T-square, so there was also the need of a committed relationship.
Contrasts in his personality that were difficult to balance I think.

So, now for the synastry:
I just looked at the aspects:

her Sun sextile his Moon
(her Sun oppoiste his Mars with 5°)
her Sun square his Uranus
her Sun trine his IC
(Her Moon conjunct his Neptune with 4°)
her Moon conjunct his Pluto
her Mooon square his NN
her Mercury trine his Mercury
her Mercury trine his AC
(her Venus trine his Jupiter with 5°)
her Mars trine his MOoon
(Her Mars trine his Mars with 5°)
her Mars trine his MC
her Jupiter opposite his Mars
her Jupiter conjunct his Saturn
her Staurn sextile his Neptune
her Uranus trine his Moon
her Urantus trine his MC
her Neptune sextile his Moon
her Neptune trine his IC
her NN conjunct his Saturn
her Mercury conjunct his Vertex
her Antivertex conjunct his Neptune
(her DC trine his Jupiter with 5°)
her AC square his Neptune
her IC trine his Saturn
her MC conjunct his Neptune

Well, there are some nice aspects there, but seriously, I don`t think they really explain the stormy and passionate relationship they had.

There are two things I see here that speak of the extreme nature of their relationship:

1. her Moon conjuncts his Pluto
This signifies emotional obsessive connections, but Pluto is generational,s o she would have had this connection with anyone his age. So it`s not that personal.

It falls into her 10th house and into his 6th house - both houses, not known because of their romantic or passionate nature (it could signify their obsessive creative work they did together though).

Moon also rules her 12th hosue and Pluto rules his 12th house, so there was a deeply spiritual background to their relationship, it was somehow mysterious and hard to understand.
Actually people back then seemed to have often wondered why these people were in love or if they were in love or how they could love each other. There was something about them that couldn`t be easily understood by the outside world (he was twice her age and at least twice her body. her mother once called them "The dove and the elephant". lol)

2. Probably a very attracting factor, providing some sparks was the fact that their most challenging configurations in their charts fit together like pieces of a jigsaw.

AS I said she had a Sun / Neptune in Cancer opposing her Mars / Uranus in Capricorn.
He had Mars in Capricorn oppoing Saturn in Cancer and squaring Uranus.
That would make it a Grand Cross.

BUT:
her Sun: 13° Cancer
her Neptune: 12° Cancer
his SAturn: 21° Cancer

her Mars: 13° Capricorn
her Uranus: 10° Capricorn
his Mars: 17° Capricorn

his Uranus: 11° Libra

The orbs are too wide: especially his SAturn falls out of orb.
But his Mars - Uranus square still falls into that configuration.

That could very well have provided a lot of energy (like short before an electrical shortcut).

Also her Sun in his 8th house and her Venus-Pluto in his 7th house, as well as his Mars in her 5th hosue could have delivered some delicious sexual chemistry.
His Sun, VEnus, ASC and DSC-ruler Mercury in her 4th house gave some tenderness and caring into that explosive mix.

posted August 09, 2008 08:16 AM         

There is a wide trine of her Venus to his chartruler, Jupiter, but that is really little sign of romantic attraction between those, too.

Now have a look at the Antiscia / Contrascia:

Her Sun / his Sun
her Sun / his Venus
her Mercury / his Neptune
her Mars / his Sun
her Mars / his Venus
her Jupiter / his DC
her Uranus / his Sun (wide)
her Uranus / his VEnus
her Neptune / his Sun
her NEptune / his VEnus
her NN / his MErcury
her NN / his ASC

it seems that her Sun / Neptune - Mars / Uranus-opposition was on the nearly exact antisicon / contrascion axis of his exact Sun-Venus-conjunction.
NOW that would be a sign of a very strong attraction, wouldn`t it?
And yet once again, kinda mysterious, not easy to understand the WHY of their attraction to each other.

Also, if you look at rulerships:
her DSC-ruler
antiscion his SUna nd Venus

his DCruler
antiscion her NN

her 5th ruler opposite his mars, which rules his own 5th house
conjucnts his Saturn
antiscion his ASC

his 5th house ruler
oposes her Suna nd Juptier, which rule 1st and 5th house

her 8th ruler
antiscion his Sun and Venus

It becomes a bit clearer now why he was so fascinated with her.

Also, the DRaco`s complete the picture:

her Sun / Neptune conjucnts his draco Sun and Venus (who was surprised?)

her Mars opposes his draco Sun and Venus

her Moon conjuncts his draco Jupiter

her Venus and Pluto oppoess his draco Neptune

her DC conjuncts his Draco Saturn (is that the reason they couldn`t part, even when they tried?)

his Sun / Venus conjuncts her Draco Eros
his pluto opposes her Draco SAturn
his SN conjunct her Draco Venus and Pluto
his Antivertex conjunct her draco Moon
his Eros opposes her draco Venus and Pluto

her Draco Venus and Pluto opposes his draco Karma
her draco Juno conjuncts his Draco ASC

(to just mention a few)

So, it seems that a lack of major Venus-aspects in tropical synastry can be more than overpowered by such powerful connections via mirrordegrees, houserulerships and Draco connections.

EDIT:

Probably it`s important in synastry that your partner triggers the important configurations in your chart and the other way round.

Improtant configurations can be:

1) a multiple planet opposition (or even only two planets in opposition)

2) a planetary configuration like a T-square, Grand Cross, Yod or even Grand trine

3) a stellium including personal planets

4) planets on the angles making aspects to other planets

5) configurations that happen by combining the tropical and Draco chart

So,t here can be several "hot spots" in a chart.

posted August 09, 2008 10:10 AM         

BTW there is no Mars-SN conjunction in a reasonable orb. The orb here is 6°, well, maybe just a very weak Mars-Sn-conjunction.
Also think Sun - Uranus can point towards on and off attraction, but only if it is connected to some romantic or emotional planets or houseplacements.

posted August 09, 2008 10:14 AM         

A few things that I noted (some of which you mentioned already)...

(Let me know if the orbs are too wide.)

One is that his Juno is opposite her Sun/Neptune. I think that's something that shows up quite a lot in married couples. Maybe it causes them to feel like they belong together? This is also sextile his moon.

Moon/Pluto conjunction is very binding. Can't ever shake it whether you're together or not, and it's sextile her Saturn to add longevity. (I'm sure all of that Uranus you mentioned was battling against any kind of conventional/predictable relationship.)

His Jupiter is conjunct her Juno...not sure what that would indicate...maybe it indicates the elephant/dove thing you mentioned! LOL! BUT her Juno is at the apex of a yod w/ her Saturn and her moon/his Pluto. So...maybe that's also part of the picture in terms of them bouncing back and forth between passionate emotions, and feeling too restricted within the relationship.

What do you make of his Saturn conjunct her North Node/Jupiter? That also seems like it might have a constrictive feeling but also maybe stabilizing?

Of course, our Magi friends would point out that his Chiron is conjunct her Pluto/Venus and trine her Juno. That connects not only Chiron/Venus which is supposed to indicate marriage, but Juno/Chiron/Venus is supposed to be very...um...passionate!

Another thing that jumped out at me is that their Psyche's are conjunct. I can't see what degrees they are or if they make other connections in the chart, but I would imagine that makes for a HUGE psychic connection. Once you've had that with someone, I would imagine that it felt VERY much like a soul kind of thing. Do you agree? I know the Sun/Psyche conjunction feels that way.

Maybe the orbs are way off of what I mentioned too...sometimes it's hard to tell w/ the astro charts.

I'm still so fascinated by the antiscions. I'm looking forward to researching a bit more there too. It really seems to be another missing link in the astrological puzzle!

8th

posted August 09, 2008 11:11 AM         

how about asteroids ?

nessus,val, karma etc ?

posted August 10, 2008 12:39 PM         

and wonderful analysis

posted August 10, 2008 01:15 PM         

good points.

Actually they have a Juno-Jupiter-dw (opposition and conjunction) - maybe that shows their marriage, that lasted despite their mutual infidelity. It was like, even though they cheated, they were bonded on a very deep level, they could not shake off.

Chiron-Venus/ Pluot - yes, the magi would like that. I actually think there is something to that Chiron-Venus-stuff, even though it may not be fairy-tale-roses like.
But it is an aspect that shows the power of love that manages to heal wounds (and probably also the power to wound).

posted August 10, 2008 01:28 PM         

his amor oppoiste hier Moon and ocnjunct her Vertex

her Amor opposes his ISis and conjuncts his DC

her Psyche conjunct his psyche and MC (yes, the Psyche-conjunction is quite tight with 1°)

his Osisris conjunct her VErtex and opposes her MOon

his Parvati conjunct her SN

But like so often it is the Draco`s where it gets really interesting

his DR Karma opposite hder DR Venus and DR Pluto

his DR VAlentine conjunct her Amor

her DR VAlentine oposite his Isis

her DR Amor opposes his DR Mars, Juno and Parvati

her DR ERos conjunkt his Sun and Venus

his DR Psyche conjunct her ERos and opposite her VAlentine

his DR Juno opposite her Chiron and dr Amor

her DR Juno conjuncts his DR Isis, DR AC

his DR Isis conjunct her Sun

her DR Isis conjunct his SN

his DR Osiris conjunct her Venus, Pluto and Isis

her DR Oisirs conjunct his DR DC

his DR Nessus conjunct her Psyche

her DR NEssus conjunct his Amor and opposes his Pluto

his DR Siva oposite her dr Siva

her DR Siva oppoiste his Siva

her DR Kaali oppoiste his DR Siva

her DR Rudra conjunct his Karma

his Nessus conjunct her DR Moon

his Siva oppoiste her DR VAlentine

his Black Moon Lilith conjunct her DR Venus and Pluto

her parvati conjunct his DR AC

her Black Moon Lilith opposite his DR Pluto

posted August 10, 2008 01:35 PM         

so really similar to moon pluto in this configuration-very dark and compelling

i like eros as an asteroid best, it points to a lot of similar likings and i quite believe init, maybe because it is a well-known name

ddreamer have u notices that mars square uranus is quite always a separation of some kind or another

also it struck me here a lot how independent she is in affairs of the heart, with a strong 11th house emphasis and mars conj uranus in 5th.............

did u check their composite?

something that always strikes me in composites is the sun conj venus: seems like enduring love which is able to go thru the worst........

also look at that grand trine in earth, steady, realiable love

what also catches my attention: no emphasized 5th, and no planets in 7th..., maybe that had to do with their separating...

posted August 10, 2008 01:44 PM         

I only read the real negative interpretations about it like his relation to abusive relationships. But I also noticed that in passionate relationships there seems to happen a Venus-Nessus-aspect quite often.

I also like Eros very much. But it is quite dominant in my chart, as it is in Cancer in 8th house exactly conjunct Vertex and exactly opposing Sun-Moon-midpoint and also widely conjunct Saturn.
It is also at the contrascion of my ASC - Neptune - NN stellium, so I tend to react very much to Eros.

And yes, I think she was VERY independent in matters of the heart.

posted August 10, 2008 01:47 PM         

yes, she being so independent would bode well with him being saggitarius, but i also have noticed both their moons in taurus, that is something that surely got them together

posted August 10, 2008 04:54 PM         

I wonder if I am right or wrong, AND even more I wonder if it will show up in their synastry.

posted August 10, 2008 05:51 PM         

I only had a look at the Venus, Amor, Valentine and Eros-aspects in their synastry, and that is what came up (I`m talking about Evita and Juan Peron btw):

his Venus trine her Sun
his Venus trine her Mars

his Amor trine her Pluto
her Amor trine his Saturn

his Valentine conjunct her NEptune
his Valentine conjunct her Juno
his Valentine opposite her Psyche

her VAlentine opposite his Eros

And including Draco`s:

his dr Venus opposite her Chiron
his dr Venus conjunct her dr Kaali

her Venus conjunct his dr Moon

her dr Amor conjunct his dr Neptune
her dr Amor conjunct his dr Pluto

her Valentine oppoiste his dr Valentine

her dr Valentine conjunct his dr Moon

his dr Eros conjunct her dr Sun
his dr Eros conjunct her dr Mars

her Eros conjunct his dr Juno

What I noticed is that two of his planets aspect her Sun and Mars (his Venus and Draco Eros) and that two of her planets aspect his Moon (her Venus and Draco Valentine) - well those aspects look beautiful, but all in all it seems a bit weak for a strong love-relationship.

posted August 10, 2008 11:52 PM         

I especially agree with this:

"Probably it`s important in synastry that your partner triggers the important configurations in your chart and the other way round."

posted August 11, 2008 11:20 PM         

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted August 12, 2008 03:00 AM         

I've admired Frida K, but not looked at her chart before. It's interesting to see that I share some important placements with her (Leo ASC/Aqua DC, Saturn in Pisces and Eros both in the 8th house).

I am not one bit attracted to Diego, though (as far as the chart is concerned) ;-)