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ladya22
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posted August 11, 2008 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
Hi All-

I hope this is not to lame a questions but what does it mean that his Midheaven is my Asc and then obviously his IC is my Dsc?

I have tried looking this info up everywhere to no avail. it would seem to be of some significance as i have never had that in a synastry chart before.

Also how bout his north node conjunct my mars in his 8th house?
TIA!
Alex

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posted August 11, 2008 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
It means NOTHING.

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posted August 11, 2008 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta-sister     Edit/Delete Message

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posted August 11, 2008 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
Hi-
umm okay thanks for the responses anyway. I don't post a ton but i have posted when i feel i have something i can add to the topic at hand and i am not one to ask for free readings or anything like that but i have sincere questions that i thought someone might be able to help me with. So i am a little surprised by the flip response.

So MH conj ASC and Dc conjunct ic means
nothing?

thanks again

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posted August 11, 2008 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
From anther board where i posted the question. I hope this helps someone out there that may have the same aspect!


I tell you this so you know that my opinion is on this - I think it's a lovely aspect. And I'll (now!) tell you why.

How he wants to present himself in the world, his MC, his public image if you will, is the same as your ascendant, which is how you function in the world, how you respond to the world. So you are exhibiting traits just by being you that he truly wants to express himself.

Then think of the DC/IC (I think the IC is much overlooked, by the way). The DC is what you want in a partner, what you are missing inside yourself or don't 'own' inside yourself, and so seek projected out on a partner. His IC is the centre of him, it's the very bedrock of his nature, it's his personal past and his unconscious mind. He IS at his core, his IC. Do you see where that goes ?

Each of you is striving to be or to find what the other already is!

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posted August 11, 2008 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lady,

Welcome!

Sorry you got a couple of flip responses.

Its not at all true that these aspects mean "nothing".

Since the Ascendant and Midheaven axes change more quickly than the planets,
they are extremely sensitive and highly personal points,
and its really a mystery why more attention has not been given to them.

The Asc/Dsc and MC/IC axes are especially important in synastry.
Conjunctions to the Ascendant are very common in close relationships,
as they indicate a free and spontaneous flow of energy.

There is a good chapter on this stuff in Stephen Arroyo's "Astrology, Karma, and Transformation",
where he also suggests a book, "Aspects to the Horoscope Angles" by Vivia Jayne.

The Midheaven signifies what we instinctively admire and respect,
while the Ascendant is a very natural and instinctive mode of self-expression.

So, his MC (what he respects) is your Asc (how you naturally express yourself).

quote:
So you are exhibiting traits just by being you that he truly wants to express himself.

Sounds good to me.

His IC (the roots of his being, where he feels grounded)
coincides with what you look for in a mate (Dsc),
so, your style of loving could bring up issues from his past,
and also help him to become more secure and grounded.
Something like that.

Your mars in his 8th house is sexy...
Conjunct his North Node can be a bit unsettling;
it depends on how he is dealing with his nodal issues.
Is he already manifesting that North Node, or, are you here to give him a push?
Mars in his 8th, conjunct his NN can certainly provoke major changes.

Hope that helps some.


take care,
HSC

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posted August 12, 2008 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I think MC conjunct Asc, and IC conjunct Dsc is highly significant.

Taken from: http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm

***The Ascendant/Descendant axis is nicknamed the Magnetic axis.

***The Midheaven/IC axis is nicknamed the Gravity Axis.

***The Lunar Nodes axis is nicknamed the Karmic Axis.

***The Vertex/ Anti-Vertex axis is nicknamed the Electric Axis.

Therefore, mix 'Magnetic' and 'Gravity' and you have a power as strong as Space/Time travel itself!!

That'll be 2 cents, pls

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posted August 12, 2008 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta-sister     Edit/Delete Message
I thought I read somewhere it ment that they are soulmates of somekind.

I have this with someone and I felt the energy go through me.

I wasn't sure about it before so I cancled my post but, after the input of others I felt more confident.

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posted August 12, 2008 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting, koiflower.


That might be true, vesta-sister, about soulmates.
The Ascendant is closely linked to the body, so,
it definitely makes sense for the connection to be felt energetically on a concrete level.
I know my girlfriend's Sun conjuncts my Ascendant,
and the first time we held hands we both felt something unusual.

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ladya22
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posted August 12, 2008 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
HI-

HSC- thank you for your kind and informative response, you truly are a gentleman and a scholar! BTW i love stephen arroyo and the book you mientioned is not one i won so will have to check that out!

koiflower-thank you as well, when first read what you posted i got magnetic gravy! Right on- i will take a helping of that and as far as payment...looks in pocket pulls out lint, fruit mento and subway token. will those work?

Thanks vesta-sis

It is still so new and exciting that i am just enjoying it for what it is but there is such a strong pull to him it scares me a little we have crazy connections in our charts. His north node is also conjunct my sun, His vertex is my MH, trine my moon, trine neptune, trine, jupiter. It definitely feel fated in some way. I swear a shock went through my body the first time we touched!!

as far as Mars and n node- still too new to know how that will manifest but i will be paying attentions to that!

thanks again guys!

alex

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posted August 12, 2008 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Alex,


You're welcome!

And thank you.

You are a shameless flatterer... and I love it!

You must be a Libra, yes?

With some strong water, I'm thinking.

(And maybe a dash of Sagittarius thrown in?)

Arroyo is great. The book is awesome.


God bless,
Stephen

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ladya22
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posted August 12, 2008 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
hi HSC-

Shameless flattery? no I think it was deserved!

as far as my placements i think you got a whiff of my Asc, Venus and Uranus. so it smells pretty but weird i think, no?

and you definitely got my moon, unaspected jupiter in (1st house). I am mostly water and earth i think but my Sun and Mars are in

Isn't that one of your fav. combos? I seem to remember a thread about leo, libra mixes? I hope i am not overstepping my boundries

once again- YOU ROCK!
Alex

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posted August 12, 2008 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cedarma     Edit/Delete Message
His IC conjunct my AC, his MC conjunct my DC. I've wondered about this myself. His deepest self is what I project and what I am looking for in a mate or others is what he projects? The IC is something that is really intriguing to me. Our hidden self. There are lots of reasons he would be as free as I am to project that to people he meets. Does that make sense?

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posted August 13, 2008 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
hi Alex,


Well, I sure hope you are right.

I know there are people here who would say that
I've been less than gentlemanly on occassion.

But I'm trying.


So, you've seen me around...

And I've only just discovered you.

Those sound like some truly lovely placements.

Sometimes, I like to design natal charts just for fun --
I just make them up as I go along, placing the planets where I want them.
Sometimes I'll start with the idea, "this is going to be an artist" or "a mystic".
And I observe a few basic rules; like Mercury and Venus can only be so far from the Sun.
Anyway, what I wanted to say is that I put the Moon in Pisces most of the time.
I can't help it, I just love to see the Moon in Pisces.

I'm a big fan of all the signs, when they are exhibiting their strengths,
but, yeah, Libra and Leo are a couple of dazzlers, to be sure.

Overstepping your bounds?
Honey, I have a hard aspect between my Moon and Neptune;
I dont know very much about boundaries, honestly.

Thanks for saying I ROCK.
You seem sort of spectacular yourself,
so, now I'm going to keep my eagle eyes peeled for your posts.

In the meantime, I'll show you mine, if you show me yours:

(Okay, even if you dont show me yours.)


take care,
S

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Dani California
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posted August 13, 2008 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dani California     Edit/Delete Message
Oooh interesting topic this

I've often wondered about ASC/DESC IC/MC combos.......was interesting reading the replies.

Also, hope no one minds if I butt in here, but was looking up someone famous' chart who I've always liked, and only just noticed his chiron is on my ASC and his Neptune is on my ASC.

Anyone got any idea what that means?

BTW Hi Ladya22 -

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ladya22
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posted August 13, 2008 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
HSC-

Okay so now who is the shamelss flatterer? And as a leo you know i don't mind flattery..butter me up anytime - well as long as it's sincere! Yeah i have been lurking on boards for a long time but ashamed to say that my astrology skills are not any better for it but i try to learn from the pros such as yourself.

How is it going with the new relationship? Good i hope!

It's nice to hear that someone actually likes moon in pisces- i often hear such negatives about it. I see you have Scorpio Sun/aqua moon- my son has same placements!

Okay, Doc here goes the show and tell- let me know if you see anything exciting as i am so over myself- you know i will read other peoples chart but not really so much my own. I see you also have saturn in the 8th, big fun right? NOT!! Also all that fire and water. Hmmmm... never met a scorpio i didn't like or at least like to fight with hee hee (evil giggle and smirk crosses face). Also i am swear not making this up I love a man with venus/mars in scorpio or venus/mars in Sag i have had more boyfriends with this combo than i can count. why? anyway here is my chart:

love and light to you!
Alex

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ladya22
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posted August 13, 2008 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Dani-

Love that song by the RHCP! i tried to find you info on your questions and came up empty hopefully someone more skilled can help you but maybe this does not pertain to your particular question but i love this site for synastry interps: http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/interchartaspects.html

and this one for Chiron: http://www.communities.ninemsn.com.au/SecretScorpiosAstroTalk/chironandsun.msnw

take care,
Alex

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Dani California
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posted August 13, 2008 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dani California     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Alex,

Yeah, the name is from the RHCP song, love that song!!

Thanks for those links, it made for great reading. I think i need to look up more on this chiron thing, also stephen arroyo's books, I haven't any of his. They sound good though!!

Thanks!!

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posted August 13, 2008 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
alex,


as far as i can tell you were born somewhere in the middle of the pacific ocean, lol

i'm hardly a pro, but i might have some tips for ya.

yes, i am a shameless flatterer. i'll cop to it.
my girl and i are both hopeless flirts. what can you do?

and the new relationship is intense;
things being worked out quickly, for good or bad;
she is very steady, already certain, but i get "confused",
which makes her earth Sun and Moon very uneasy, and she withdraws...
Its a trip having an aquarius moon and venus conjunct uranus.
Sometimes I think I'll never be a suitable mate; never a safe bet for anybody.
I just get.... "confused". and who wants to hear that all the time?
Poor girl.. i came on strong, activated her taurus moon,
and now here i am telling her i'm not sure of anything.

My feelings... are so hard to place...
its aquarius, -- that stupid moon loves everybody --
but its also gotta be the close semi-square to neptune.
and my pisces south node has some idea of "the perfect girl",
but of course she's just some phantom that doesnt exist...

godd@mn sun conjunct venus and uranus....
if i like someone, even a little, i sort of fall in love with them a little.
you have no idea how disorienting that can be for me, and my partners.
maybe i will figure it all out in time.. but so far, theres no end of it.
Every new relationship seems utterly unique, and more "real" than the last.
Maybe my aim is getting better, maybe i am getting closer..
This girl is so wonderful in so many ways...
I just want to kick myself for not being certain about her.
But part of me feels like it needs so much praise and reassurance,
and i know she loves me deeply, but she is not very expressive.
she says she has never been this open, not even after a long time together, with anybody
(women say that to me all the time) but she's still very reserved.
I'm trying to be patient, and to meet her half-way,
and she wants to open up more, but I'm uncertain
and who can blame her for holding back...
but when she holds back, i cant see her softness...
and that is what really draws me in.. like a tractor beam.
but i feel like, if i could just be patient with her,
and not be so dependent on praise and reassurance...
maybe, soon,... i dont know... and the distance is hard too, --
she lives four hours away.. we've seen each other four times,
and known each other for only about a month or so...
i'm an idiot for spewing this stuff out all over these messageboards,
but thats what i do, i just have to "live out loud"..
god, I'm sorry to write so much.. but, hey, you asked for it, right?

anyway... pisces moon.. i loved a girl with a pisces moon once...
i dont know... its not always easy to understand...
but she was truly magical, and i think it was mostly her moon.
i've known a few people with moon in pisces, all magical.

Your son also has the same sun-moon placements as neil young and albert camus
I think scorpio and aqua can make one hell of a pair..

Saturn in the 8th.. Liz Greene says its the best place for Saturn,
and it sure has its priviledges, but i'd probably trade it in if i could.

Venus/mars conjunctions are pretty cool, for the most part,
especially if you dont want a guy who is very venusian;
in Scorpio or Sag, mars tends to be the stronger planet,
and the softness of Venus is compromised somewhat.
But they are definitely passionate charmers with lots of sex appeal,
and with Aries on your 7th, no wonder you attracted (and were attracted to) them.
One of my ex-girlfriends had mars/venus in scorpio
and she was pure sex.. i still think about her...
But she wasnt very venusian, even with her sun in Libra.

You probably thought that was venus, and not mercury, conjunct my mars.
Mercury conjunct Mars is a different ballgame, but,
if you like to argue.. well, you'd probably love me.
*wicked grin back atcha*


peace, love, enantiodromia,
S

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ladya22
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posted August 14, 2008 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ladya22     Edit/Delete Message
Hi HSC-

Well not the pacific but closer to the atlantic anyway isn't that where all the magic fish come from

First I want to honor you for being so open and honest in your, post that is not an easy thing to do and i appreciate the respect that shows me and this board.

I am sorry there are doubts but there always are- i know what you mean about coming on strong and then thinking hmmm maybe not- I have venus conjunct Uranus as well- men don't take that too well. All that Libra in my chart and my 5th house moon in pisces is the sweetest, most charming woman you ever met,oh how they fall. Then comes the time to pin me down and i run and run so fast, only my venus/uranus never tells them how or why. I am just gone in a blink or an eye. Not proud of it either.

...But part of me feels like it needs so much praise and reassurance,and i know she loves me deeply, but she is not very expressive.
... she's still very reserved.

Is her aloofness what holding you back or is it the constant reassurance that is doing it?

...she lives four hours away.. we've seen each other four times,and known each other for only about a month or so...

It is still pretty new and excting? It should be anyway maybe these doubts so soon are telling??

i appreciate your spewing. thank you!
I walk around my life and the lights make me confident.

Some of the people I see are beautiful and I am irresistibly drawn to them.
As I grow closer and begin to dance with them my clarity begins to fad.
I can still see what is on the outside, but my inner vision of them grows blurry.
We hold, we touch and we spin round and round, but we aren’t connected.
Soon the lights are out and here we are left in the dark.
No more lights to guide us as the physical world ceases to give us input.
Disconnected feelings leave us grabbing for each other as we try to define our new world.
More desperate are our flailings as we try to find something to hold on to.
In the quiet of my heart I don't feel their presence. I am alone.
Frustration moves me away and I go back to the world I know.
Where is this dark place I go to and why is there nothing there?
Just a simple bump in the dark, to feel anything and know that something else exists there.

My spew

Alex

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posted August 14, 2008 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message
I had strong axis-connections with my latest love, which lasted almost a year and ended miserably. It was intense and very (!) spooky though. (We had several strong links, like my Pluto cj. his Venus, my NN cj. his Vertex, his Sun cj. my BM Lilith).

As far as the axis-thing goes:

His ASC was tightly cj. my MC (orb <1). My spontaneous impression/interpretation, taken from real life-experience: It was my "task" in this realtionship to study his personality - in order to grow and develop my own self-esteem. It also was like: He managed to dominate the relationship and put his needs and demands first (from my perspective). I was about to "serve" his purposes ... and fled, just right in time, before it got too late and before I had given up my own life. (Interestingly enough, we both had Pluto involved: His Pluto in his 12th was in wa ide cj. with his ASC, my own Pluto lies in my 10th. not too far from my MC - powergames of the heaviest sorts!)

On the other hand: My IC was cj. his DSC - and all I can say is that I strongly believe that the core of my personality has "taught" him something - that he might have been forced to re-consider his "partner"-image through meeting me. This was not necessarily a comforting experience for him, since he has his Chiron/Eros-conjunct his DSC - and therefore also in a conjunction whith my IC (orb: 2). ´

MOST IMPORTANT LESSON I LEARNED from that relationship: Even though there had been several so called "karmic" or some of the strongest "Soul mate"-links in our Synastry, this does NOT mean that all is nice and easy or "forever". This man touched me deeply, maybe like hardly anyone before - but the split was nasty - and it is FINAL.

So: "karmic" or "Soul Mate" does NOT AT ALL imply "lasting forever". It seems to promise an intense encounter though.

That's a least my grain of salt ... ;-)

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posted August 16, 2008 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Hi there,


quote:
First I want to honor you for being so open and honest in your, post that is not an easy thing to do and i appreciate the respect that shows me and this board. ... i appreciate your spewing. thank you! I walk around my life and the lights make me confident.

Wow, thank you! Very sweet of you to notice.
And I am the same way. I can be so impatient with boundaries.
I swear, 98% of the time, they are just a lot of red tape.


quote:
I am just gone in a blink or an eye. Not proud of it either.

Alas, that elusive, fishy moon. Who can contain it?


quote:
Is her aloofness what holding you back or is it the constant reassurance that is doing it?

I think I'm really just in love with love, and I really crave and appreciate the sweet nothings and little exchanges that, for me, are evidence of warm feelings. I always thought, if a person doesnt express something its because that thing doesnt exist within them in a sufficient amount to "overflow" into expression. I have trouble understanding people who keep things (esp. good things) inside. But I'm beginning to understand our differences, and to trust her love, provided she makes some effort to show it; which she does; she's really openning up a lot.


quote:
It is still pretty new and excting? It should be anyway maybe these doubts so soon are telling??

It's possible. But, then, I've always had one foot outside a relationship, even when i briefly fooled myself into thinking I was wholeheartedly in. And, at this point, it seems like a sign of maturity, that I am not so readily swept away, and that I listen closely for my doubts. No alliance is perfect, and I'm pretty quick to spot the areas of incongruity, or potential incongruity, between myself and another. (Scorpios are generally the first to know when a relationship will or will not work out.) My relationships tend to follow a certain pattern, it seems. My 7th house Jupiter in Leo comes on like Romeo, wants romance; big, bold, overbold, romance. But when it comes to the point of true intimacy, my 8th house Saturn in Virgo looks for something truly profound and sober. This girl only occassionally activates my 7th house Jupiter, but she is all over my 8th house Saturn, -- and, these days, I seem to look more for that Saturn/8th than for Jupiter/7th. I think a lot of my doubts have to do with our differences. It'll take time for me to understand her, but I think understanding is very possible between us. There are many ways in which we align very well, and the differences could turn out to be enlightening, I think.


I liked your spew.


take care,
S


p.s. I've been editing a short story I'm working on.
If, by some chance miracle, you feel like reading it:
http://docs.google.com/View?docID=dhbpnf2_0c75m8c&revision=_latest
Comments, and even harsh criticisms, are welcome and appreciated.

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posted August 16, 2008 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I thought you might appreciate this, Alex:

http://pages.infinit.net/garrick/chinese/dog.html

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