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vesta-sister
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posted August 14, 2008 07:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Results found in female marriage horoscopes

We analyzed 94 solar return charts calculated for the year of marriage.

Our conditions:

we used the Topocentric House system (almost similar to Placidus)
we calculated the charts for the place of birth because we do not always know the place of residence.
In our research, we used all the major planets and points (Sun to Pluto, Mean North Node and the 4 major Asteroids). We also incorporated the Vertex, the Dark Moon Lilith (the mean apogee of the Moon) and the Part of Fortune (changing between day and night births). We also used the TNPs (Trans-Neptunian Planets) from the Hamburg School Uranian Astrology)
We used all major and minor aspects, the parallel and contra-parallel included. The orb for the minor aspects is 1° and for the major aspects we did our research with three different orb settings (1°, 3° and 6°). All midpoints were done with 1° orbs.
The conditions were tested in geocentric positions and heliocentric positions as well.
We used the modern house rulers (for example, Pluto rules Scorpio.

Our Preliminary Findings in the Solar Returns:

Mars between 0°-1° in Cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Libra or Capricorn)
the ruler of the 12th house in the 3rd Quadrant (houses 7, 8 or 9) (Chi square 12.0), and especially in the 9th house (Chi square 9.0)
ruler of the 10th house in Leo (Chi square 11.0)
the ruler of the 1st house in the 9th house (Chi square 9.0)
the Sun sextile or trine Mars (orb 3°)
the Sun sextile Jupiter (orb 3°)
the ruler of the 5th house in the 1st Quadrant (houses 1, 2 or 3)
the ruler of the 5th house in Libra
Mars trine the MC (orb 3°)
the ruler of the 7th house conjunct the ruler of the 8th house (orb 3°) (Chi square 8.0)
the Moon in Cancer (Chi square 5.0)
the Mean Node of the Moon semi-square the ruler of the 9th house (the True Node does not bring any significant results in this study!)

Remarkable is the fact that the ruler of the 9th house (modern rulerships) is found in many configurations. The 9th house is the house of publicity and no doubt that a marriage is a public event.

Also, the 3rd Quadrant is the Quadrant of relationships, partnership and marriage. It's NOT the 7th house alone. The German Schule Fuer Transpersonale Astrologie (TPA)(School for Transpersonal Astrology) has always claimed that a marriage is not a 7th house affair alone but rather a matter of the 3rd Quadrant, and especially of the 8th house.

In their opinion, the 7th house is a cardinal air house, denoting that this house is the house of meetings and encounters. Everything and everybody you encounter as such and "as is" relates to the 7th house (principle of cardinal air). Cardinal signs don't bond, they just trigger, ignite and show what is there potentially.

In the 8th house (representing the fixed water principle), you start to bond (the fixed house principle) and because it's a water house, you're bonding emotionally what you once encountered or met through the 7th house.

A marriage is an emotional bond, denoting that it fits the 8th house principle. The 9th house is a mutable fire house. Mutable houses are communicative houses, spreading what has been bond or joined in the preceding fixed houses. Mutable houses make public, make visible one way or the other.

The 9th mutable fire house spreads the word and makes public and visible what has been joined, connected ... in the 8th house (the marriage).

So far, our preliminary research findings do seem to confirm the findings of the TPA School.


The Results found in male marriage horoscopes

We analyzed 94 solar return charts calculated for the year of marriage.

Our conditions:

we used the Topocentric House system (almost similar to Placidus)
we calculated the charts for the place of birth because we do not always know the place of residence.
In our research, we used all the major planets and points (Sun to Pluto, Mean North Node and the 4 major Asteroids). We also incorporated the Vertex, the Dark Moon Lilith (the mean apogee of the Moon) and the Part of Fortune (changing between day and night births). We also used the TNPs (Trans-Neptunian Planets) from the Hamburg School Uranian Astrology)
We used all major and minor aspects, the parallel and contra-parallel included. The orb for the minor aspects is 1° and for the major aspects we did our research with three different orb settings (1°, 3° and 6°). All midpoints were done with 1° orbs.
The conditions were tested in geocentric positions and heliocentric positions as well.
We used the modern house rulers (for example, Pluto rules Scorpio.

Our Preliminary Findings in the Solar Returns:

Venus conjunct the ruler of the 9th house (Chi square 16.0)
the ruler of the 10th house in the 7th house (Chi square 10.0)
the Moon in the 7th house (Chi square 10.0)
Ascendant in Capricorn (Chi square 10.0)
the ruler of the 7th house in the 1st Quadrant (Chi square 8.0)
the ruler of the 8th house in the 4th house (Chi square 8.0)
the ruler of the 4th house conjunct the ruler of the 9th house (Chi square 8.0)
the Moon in Sagittarius (Chi square 6.0)

In any case we notice some relationship with or involvement of a house from the 3rd Quadrant (houses 7, 8 or 9), confirming the theory of the "Schule Fuer Transpersonale Astrologie" (TPA -- School for Transpersonal Astrology) outlined when we discussed the female Solar return charts for the year of marriage that states that marriages are related to the whole 3rd Quadrant and not just to the 7th house.

Remarkable is the strong evidence for the sign Capricorn and the 10th house (related to and mundane ruled by Capricorn), denoting that in male charts the change of status through a marriage may be important.

Perhaps, men need a marriage to formaly feel part of the society and to raise their esteem.

The 9th house seems to be involved in case of publicity and (fortunate?) public events. It remains yet unclear why the 4th house comes up so many times (in more instances than listed above but these instances were not (yet) significant enough to make public).

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amowls
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posted August 14, 2008 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried these things for my Mom, and her SR chart for 1985 (the year she got married) had none of these aspects.

ETA: Actually, the reference place for that SR was wrong because she was in Malaysia, not Virginia, so her SR ascendant was completely off, making the whole thing moot.

This study isn't done very well, IMO, since they used places of birth, not places where the individuals had their birthdays, which makes a huge difference, especially in the case of my mom.

Anyway, my mom had these:
Ruler of 1st in 9th house
Ruler of 12th in 3rd quadrant
Ruler of 5th in Libra

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amowls
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posted August 14, 2008 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad only had this:
Ruler of 10th in 7th

But his MC was in Capricorn that year, with Jupiter (ruler of Sag, the natural ruler of the 9th house) in the 10th.

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darkdreamer
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posted August 14, 2008 10:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amowls,

my dad also had Capricorn MC with Venus, Jupiter and NN in 10th house (almost exact conjunction of Venus and NN).
Also an emphasis on the 3rd quadrant - Moon, Uranus in 7th house; Mars, Juno, Ceres, Neptune in 8th house.
Ruler of the 9th in 10th house (the manifestation - 10th house-, of an already known relationship - 9th house).

Venus widely conjuunct Jupiter (6°)

For my Mum:

Sun opposite Mars
Sun square Jupiter
ruler of 5th house in 1st quadrant (2nd house)
ruler of 5th house in Libra
Mars sextile MC


But however this study is, the Transpersonal astrology gives very consistent results when it comes to comparing charts with each other and doing synastry. Next to progressed synastry their theory on house-rulership is the one theory that I have found to be consistent and reliable.

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belgz
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posted August 14, 2008 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was my natal chart transits the day i got married 4 years ago although it lasted less than a month here it is... and my solar chart too...

Looking at transits rather than solar return i had my thrid house ruler jupiter conjunct my ascdendant and my first and 9th house ruler conjunct venus which is also the ruler of my 8th house. Saturn was conjunct my sun and saturn is the ruler of my 5th house.


Solar return definitely showed a sudden beginning and end to a relationship venus was opposing pluto and square uranus if only i knew these solar charts 4 yrs ago lol

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SunAscendant
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posted January 01, 2017 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunAscendant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I haven't been married and can't attest for any of these findings, I will say that many of these findings were present in the SR return the year my mom met my dad (NOT the SR year they married). Today is their 30th anniversary actually!

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posted January 02, 2017 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to see a scientific study.

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posted January 08, 2017 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need more of those!

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posted January 09, 2017 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats!

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
While I haven't been married and can't attest for any of these findings, I will say that many of these findings were present in the SR return the year my mom met my dad (NOT the SR year they married). Today is their 30th anniversary actually!

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posted February 23, 2017 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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