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Topic: Are you insecure?
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blue moon
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From: U.K
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posted August 20, 2008 02:47 AM
 
Obviously no-one is obliged to answer. Do what you like. I'm just asking out of curiosity. Like anyone, you could pinpoint some area of my life, say mechanical skills, where I don't have the greatest confidence. There are situations you could put me in where I am out of my comfort zone, and I am not going to feel as secure as normal. But generally, I'd say, overall, I am not an insecure person. I don't think I am that unusual. Here comes the astrology bit: Neither my Sun nor my Moon makes any major hard aspects: On my chart, the Sun makes a Grand Trine with Mars and Uranus. It doesn't make any other major aspects. The Moon makes a Trine to Saturn, Sextiles to Jupiter/Neptune and Conjunction to Pluto. It doesn't make any other major aspects. It does have some minor hard aspects, sesquisquare to Mars (explosive temper). Do you think testing aspects to the Sun and Moon illustrate insecurity? Or do signs do that? Just interested in everyone's opinion on this matter. I had a friend (moved now) with a testing T-Square with the Moon in the 2nd, Opposite the Sun and Square Neptune. She described herself as having a "fragile ego" and had an emotional need to create material security. She would be someone I would think of as insecure, in many areas of her life. If women are more insecure than men (not necessarily something with which I agree) will this show up astrologically? If so there must be some statistical difference in what appears. Obviously we can't test it properly here. I am just wondering aloud. In "Astrological Voids" Janis Huntley discusses Water Voids and says they are more common in female charts as women learn the lesson of emotion more quickly. The book studies a sample of charts, btw. So you can see where my train of thought is leaning. Oh, I have a water void, but a Scorpio Asc. Which is why I paid special attention to that section. IP: Logged |
writesomething
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From: meet me in montauk
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posted August 20, 2008 03:01 AM
blue- i sort of love you. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted August 20, 2008 03:03 AM
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koiflower
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posted August 20, 2008 07:48 AM
Interesting!I am low in water. So are three other women I know. My ex who was emotionally immature has plenty of water!!!! IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted August 20, 2008 10:30 AM
I have 2 water planets (Venus in Pisces and Pluto in Scorpio). I have no "accidental" water planets, either, save for my SN in the 4th house.I'm insecure when I'm around a big group of people I don't know. It's hard for me to act naturally around people that aren't familiar to me. My Venus squares my Ascendant, my Sun is only squared by Pluto, but it's a wide orb of 7 degrees. My Moon has no squares. I think, because my problem is social, I should focus more on Venus. My natal Venus's only aspects are squares (ASC, Mars, Saturn, Uranus) except for a conjunction with my NN. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted August 20, 2008 11:03 AM
I hope I'm doing this right.
am I insecure?
no and I can't even fake it 
(though age and experience has a lot to do with that)astrologically
Uranus is involved with both the Sun and Moon.
Grand trine with Sun/Uranus/Ascendant
and a
T-square with Moon opposite Neptune square Uranus My Sun makes no other aspects and the Moon is in Taurus with Venus/Lilith. My only water planet is Neptune but I do have planets in the water houses. IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted August 20, 2008 12:11 PM
I guess i am insecure because my moon squares my sun , thus the main forces are working against each other....This i have found often quite fitting in my emotional life... Also i have exactly 0 water in my chart... so i tend to intellectualize too much... IP: Logged |
alvarella777
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posted August 20, 2008 12:33 PM
Currently ... or: Lately I feel an increasing insecurity with my love life. I tend to not trust my instincts anymore - because they seem to have fooled me so often. I was quite self-secure with that part of my life until the age of 30, 32. Then I started reflecting on many things, patterns I stuck to - and since then, since I honestly tried to make things better, my love life somehow declined over the last 5 to six years - partly due to my own fault, though.Astrologically, I became more aware of my Venus-square-Neptune ... It is the aspect of my chart I hate most! Since I know about its existence in my chart I feel even less secure with my romantic and erotic impulses. This square deludes me, throws me into illusions ... and then kicks me out again. It is ... making me tired ... and I don't know what to do about it. I also don't know how to get get that though off my mind again: That my Venus squares Neptune ... I guess: Knowing about this astrological aspect, it acts out like a selffulfilling prophicy sometimes... IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted August 20, 2008 04:36 PM
no
I have weaknesses but they are not insecurities!
Insecurity is where you fear and I have no fear!IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
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posted August 20, 2008 06:09 PM
I am very insecure.... IP: Logged |
triplecancer
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posted August 20, 2008 07:32 PM
I have a low self esteem and have many fears. I have tons of water in my chart, but I think my problem is mostly due to saturn in the 2nd (not sure of my own worth and value) and venus squaring it. Water makes you sensitive and introverted, but I don't think that indicates insecurity. A lot of extroverted people are insecure and try to hide by being as I say: extroverted. Or by trying to get attention all the time, talking about themselves and all the great things they do. There are many ways for a person to show insecurity. IP: Logged |
augentier
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posted August 20, 2008 08:01 PM
I am extremely insecure..to the point that I have missed out on a lot of fun growing up because I couldn't get past my self esteem issues. I waited to have sex til I was 21 (now) because of extremely negative body image issues. I am a lot more confident than I used to be but I am still very insecure.I never knew about Saturn in the 2nd being a factor in this...all but 4 of my planets are in 2nd house (including Saturn) ------------------
Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
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Dragoon
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From: Saturn
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 20, 2008 09:01 PM
This isn't a yes or no question. Every single person has insecurities. The important thing is how you deal with them and how much you get rid of them. I've heard people say confidence is in a way "lack of insecurities," so the less insecurities you have the more confident you are. One of the most effective ways I know is to blindly trust yourself, which is just another way of saying have faith in yourself because faith is just trusting something you have no idea about. So if you have no idea about a subject but you can still somehow convince yourself that you're good at it, then you will have confidence, faith in yourself, boldness, etc.IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted August 21, 2008 02:24 AM
Thanks for the great replies, everyone. Sometimes I see and hear 'insecure' used as an insult and to dismiss other people's reactions, which is odd, really. When it can limit people's lives, isn't it something to understand and try to overcome? Just my view. Age helps with insecurity, but also, I think, knowing yourself and understanding your reactions. That's why astrology is such a great tool. I neglected to mention Ceres being Conjunct the Sun on my chart. Finding out about this has helped me with an area of insecurity in my life, the nuturing side. This combo is in Gemini, not exactly a mother-earth sign. But it has its qualities that are useful for nuturing. So pondering on this has helped me move on from feeling insecure about other people's opinions on this part of life. IP: Logged |
wheelsofcheese
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From: UK
Registered: Jan 2008
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posted August 21, 2008 05:56 AM
Blue, interesting about the Gemini nurturing side of things. My mother's sun is in Gemini (as is yours) and my moon is in Gemini. I have great problems with my mother's style of mothering (freedom for her children to the point of detachment/seeming disinterest in their feelings - although I know she really loves me in her way) and great difficulty in accepting that my moon is in Gemini (because I am similar to her in ways I don't care to examine much). I guess my mother is where my deepest insecurities reside. How have you accepted this Gemini nurturing stuff in yourself? IP: Logged |
triplecancer
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posted August 21, 2008 06:59 PM
augentier,
This is from Howard Sasporta's book "The Twelve Houses":"On a deeper level, those with Saturn in the 2nd are often unsure of their own innate worth and value, or lack confidence in their ability to deal effectively with the material world......." While the 2nd house is about possessions, money and resources, it's also about values and self-worth, what your innate resources are. The planets or signs there indicate what you value, what makes you feel secure. A moon in the 2nd needs emotional security, jupiter could need over abundance of money, or might need to possess higher knowledge or sound religious beliefs for security. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
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posted August 21, 2008 11:07 PM
Best answer I've seen lalalinda."am I insecure?
no and I can't even fake it"  I know what you mean. Sun and Moon trine Mars with Sun, Moon, Mercury and Pluto on the Midheaven...and, my only water, Scorpio rising.  lalalinda IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted August 21, 2008 11:46 PM
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blue moon
Moderator Posts: 4700
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posted August 22, 2008 02:16 AM
Wheels ~ that's interesting because I'd say my nuturing side is listening and communicating. I think children's psychological and emotional needs are often overlooked ~ I think they need an outlet to express how they feel. Maybe it is significant that my Ceres is in the 8th house and the Sun is just 2 degrees inside the 7th?I don't do authoritarian parenting, but just as I have Sun TRI Uranus, so does my elder son, and the younger one has the Opposition. So that fits well. Way back a health visitor told me her husband's view was that there was two styles of parenting: Protect and Prepare. I identify with 'prepare'. The maternal side of my family is full of Cancerians and the 50s housewife ideal is dying a slow death. I'm not the houseproud housewife type and I have given up trying to conform to this expectation. As long as our living environment is tidy and clean enough to keep the Virgo contingent happy, we are good to go. It's not something I do to give me personal pleasure.
I liked this for Ceres Trine Uranus:
quote:
You may be inspired to a more enlightened style of parenting that sees a child as an independent, evolving soul.
http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Uranus_Aspects.html I really identify with the evolving soul part. IP: Logged |
cancerrg
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posted August 22, 2008 11:16 AM
Actually i am and even i can't fake it  i think i have a bit of emotional and material insecurity .
they hav lessened with age and maturity but a bit of it will always be there , i guess . IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted August 22, 2008 11:19 AM
sorry to butt in, but it looks like this book by sasportas might be really interesting..anyone else has read it? i thought it was saturn in 5th which would give more insecurity in the love area... IP: Logged |
kaira
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posted August 22, 2008 03:46 PM
i am insecure. i have my sun and mars squaring my saturn, uranus and neptune. it's difficult, but i put on a facade when it really kicks in, when i'm in social situation. i think my venus in Scorpio has alot to do with that.but overall, i have alot of insecurities, and i really wish i didn't. although, i am only 18, and maybe with age it'll be better to deal with. IP: Logged |
Mama Mia
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posted August 22, 2008 03:47 PM
"I hope I'm doing this right.
am I insecure?
no and I can't even fake it"Thats how it is for me too Lalalinda..
(though age and experience has a lot to do with that) Yes and the more I am intouch with my spirituality the more I became sure of myself, my worths and all..
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