posted August 24, 2008 01:46 PM         

Thing is:
There`s going to be a concert in september with the musical singer, I`ve had a crush on forever (I am not crushing anymore), and I didn`t intend going to that concert, but my parents insist that we go there (they like the concert`s idea - rock music combined with symphonic).

And the thing is the progressions are CREEPY.

his Pr Sun trine my pr Sun
his pr Moon exactly conjunct Antivertex
his progressed Moon exactly conjunct my Sun-Moon-mp (by 002 and it`s going to be 0°00 somewhen on that evening)
his pr Venus trine my Uranus
his pr Venus opposite my pr Mars
his pr Mars exactly trine my Sun (and also exactly conjunct my DRACO Venus)

my pr Moon conjunc this Venus
my pr ASC trine his Venus
my pr Moon exactly conjunct his Sun / Moon-midpoint

Interestingly Transiting Mars will be opposing his pr Mars and my Draco Venus, and Transiting Venus will be opposing his natal Venus and Sun-Moon-midpoint and my pr Moon.

Transiting NN will be exactly conjunct his SN by 0°01 and conjunct my Moon by 1°.

And those are only the ones that I noticed on first glance.

Oh and of course Transit Pluto will be conjunct my Natal Mars and opposing his progressed Venus.

I wonder, why we always have the most amazing progressions, even though all there is between us is admiration and respect for his work now(from me to him).

posted August 24, 2008 01:54 PM         

Sounds amazing... so you just progressed the chart to the date of the concert?

posted August 24, 2008 02:03 PM         

I did something new with the progressions, too (not in the above case though). I looked at this other guy`s progressed DRaco Chart.
Maybe you remember him; some time ago I was wondering about his ascendant, and most of you said he had so much Leo-influence, and i even could see that.
But it turns out he has Sun, Moon in Sagittarius, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Virgo and ASC in Pisces. Nowhere any trace of Leo.

But looking at his Draco progressions:

His progressed DRaco Sun, Moon, MC and MErcury are ALL in Leo.
Plus his natal DRaco Venus is in Leo.

posted August 24, 2008 02:27 PM         

I compared that to the progressions with ASC-guy (the one who was supposed to be a Leo, but turned out as a Pisces ASC), and they are BORING (even though the meeting was definitely NOT):

hispr Venus sextile my pr Moon
his pr Venus sextile my pr Mars
his pr Venus trine my Uranus
my pr Mars conjunct his Moon

I really didn`t understand why the impact of that meeting didn`t show in the progressions, until I looked at Eros, Psyche and included the Sun-Moon-mp, Venus-Mars-mp and Eros-Psyche-mp:

his pr Mercury opposite my pr Eros exactly
his pr MErcury exactly conjunct my pr Venus / mars-midpoint

his pr Mars exactly opposite my pr Sun / Moon-midpoint

his pr Sun/Moon-midpoint conjunct my Antivertex

his pr VEnus / Mars-midpoint conjunct my ASC and NN

my pr Venus exactly square his Venus / Mars-midpoint
my pr Vertex squares his Venus/Mars-midpoint

my pr Eros exactly trine his ASC

my pr Venus / mars midpoint moving into a conjunction to his natal Venus and progressed Sun

posted August 24, 2008 03:20 PM         

Let me look at the most important ones of your progressions:

His pr moon conjunct my pr sun

His pr venus conjunct my pr Pluto and N pluto

His pr venus square my pr mars and trine my N mars

His pr mars trine my pr venus

his pr eros conjunct my pr Pluto and my N pluto

My pr Pluto conjunct his Dr venus

The ones in bold are those that WEstran found often at the beginning of a relationship, a passionate affair actually.
But personally i think the others are pretty meaningful, too.

How close are your orbs (Westran used a 2° orb max, and some astrologers even think it should be max. 1° with progressions)?

posted August 24, 2008 03:23 PM         

Yes, all under 2 degrees. I think those are potent too.

Let's look at Draco progressions... i'm sure they will show something!

Should l be looking at transits to natal/progressed too? Didn't think of that !

posted August 24, 2008 03:38 PM         

Yes, even though Draco-progressions means you have to juggle with 4 charts for each person (natal-tropical, natal - Draco, progressed-Draco, progressed - natal). You can even check Draco-transits (at least Kim said on her site you could).

It gets SO much, so I think for a first approach you should focus on oppositions and conjunctions well under 2°.

posted August 24, 2008 03:53 PM         

So l should look for transits to these only l think!
His pr venus square my pr mars and trine my N mars
His pr mars trine my pr venus

posted August 24, 2008 04:10 PM         

T NN and Chiron were BOTH trine my pr mars exact lol
T mars is square my pr mars
(I forgot to mention that my pr AC is conjunct my pr mars exact.)
T uranus is conjunct my N pluto
T sun was trine my N AC

OMG T mars was conjunct EXACT his pr venus which was square my pr mars
T uranus is opposing exact his pr venus (oh dear)
T sun was opposing his N mars
T moon was square his N mars exact
T saturn was conjunct exact his N mercury
T pluto was square exact his N pluto
T NN was conjunct exact his N mars
T chiron was conjunct exact his N mars

posted August 24, 2008 04:32 PM         

1. his dr pr sun conjunct my N juno
2. his dr pr sun opposes my N sun
3. his dr pr venus/dr pr eros conjunct my Dr pr neptune/dr pr vertex/N juno
4. his dr pr venus opposes my N sun
5. his dr pr mars conjunct my dr pr NN/dr pr eros
6. his dr pr pluto conjunct my N psyche
7. his dr pr chiron conjunct my dr pr sun exact
8. his dr pr juno conjunct my dr pr psyche exact
9. his dr pr juno opposes my N venus exact
10. his dr pr psyche conjunct my N eros
11. his dr pr psyche opposes my dr pr saturn

coffee break

posted August 25, 2008 03:15 PM         

But seriously, Dracos and asteroids aside, I can`t get over the fact, how BORING the progression for the day, I met Patrick, were.
According to WEstran there should have been a Venus-Venus, Venus-Mars, Sun-Venus or Venus-ASC or even Sun-ASC aspect at least.

But nada, nothing, the progressions are boring, and yes, I know we donīt have a relationship, but given the impact he made on me, it should be there to see in the progressions I think.

Also, both of us have strong Venus progressions, indications for the strong likelihood of falling in love this year.
His progressed Sun is exactly conjunct his natal Venus (actually the conjunction had a 0.00 orb the night we met; and there was only a window of about 10 days for that exactness ).

I myself have a progressed Mercury-Venus-conjunction falling onto my Moon and opposing my progressed Vertex. Mercury and Venus even rule relationship houses (5th and 7th house).
(When we met the conjunction of Mercury and Venus had an orb of 0.02).

I also have Venus conjunct my progressed ASC. This conjunction will be absolutely exact in december next year, but it is still working. And it is said if the progressed ASC touches a natal planet or a progressed planet touches the natal ASC, a love relationship is very likely; and it will have the characteristics of the planet, in this case Venus, which rules my 5th house of romance also.

But regarding synastric progressions there is almost nothing there, at least nothing that meets Westran`s requirements. We have only:

his pr Moon opposite my pr Saturn (1,5)
- which is really no reason to rejoice. Maybe that signified my withdrawel after my impulsive approach? The fact that I just didn`t have the chance to talk to him again, as I was feeling very shy and almost depressed and just didn`t have the opportunity?
It will have passed exactness in september though and will separate then.

his pr Venus trine my Uranus (0,5° applying)
- this could make for some exciting and pleasant meeting (as it was), but nothing that has a real deep or meaningful impact

his pr Venus sextile my pr Moon (0,5° a)
- again, a nice vibration. Friendly and gentle and warm, but no aspect for loosing your mind over someone

his Mercury conjunct my pr NN
- not mentioned in Westran`s theory, but as Mercury rules his 7th house, this is interesting

his Moon conjunct my pr Mars (0,5 separating)
- this could make for some high emotions, but more on a real emotional level, not so much on a "falling in love" or "getting infatuated" level. besides it was separating already.

And that was it. Nothing more. That is pretty disappointing.

posted August 25, 2008 03:35 PM         

hiy pr Mercury conjunct my pr Venus-Mars-mp (0,5 a)
- might be important, as Mercury rules his 7th house; also I was extremely attracted to his voice

his pr Mars opposite my pr Sun/Moon-mp (0.04 a)-
a pretty exact aspect I`d say.

his pr Sun / Moon- midpoint conjunct my Antivertex:
- now this one is still over 2° away, but will come more exact over time.

his pr Venus / mars-mp conjunct m ASC (1 s)

his pr Venus / Mars mp conjunct my pr NN (0,5 a)

his Venus conjunct my pr Venus / Mars-mp (2°19):
this is also one, that is not yet in effect, but will be very soon

his Venus / Mars-mp squares my pr MErcury (0,5 a).
- so there is a DW on MErcury= Venus/Mars

Looking for the interpretation I found:

"+ high-spirited. passionate. erotic. aesthetically conscious. eager for contact. people-oriented. enjoys games and discussion. skilled at writing. communicates appealingly. has artistic talent. Author.
Harmonious debate. Conversation carried on with passion. To make an acquaintance. To think and act with devotion. To implement desired ideas. Sexual thoughts. Early sexual maturity. To seek equilibrium in communications. To conclude a compromise. To pursue a hobby. To make artistic ideas manifest. Creative writing"

his Venus/Mars-mp square my pr Venus (0,5 a):
So yet another dw of the Venus-mars-mp, this time over Venus:

"+passionate. instinctive. spontaneous. charming. enchanting. sexually appealing.
(I was spontaneious, and he was appealing. )

" enterprising. high-spirited. provocative. people-oriented. enjoys one's work. artistically talented.
To arouse sympathy or attraction.
(he surely aroused mine)

" To give pleasure. To act out of love. Donation. Passion. To enjoy doing something. Pleasant work. To pursue a hobby. Blood relative. Sexuality. Artistic activity.
- carnal. emotionally impulsive. flirtatious. sexually obsessed."

his Venus / Mars-mp square mypr Vertex (0,5 a):
So, it seems that my Vertex triggered both his Venus-Mars-mp and his Sun-Moon-mp. Hmm, that is surely interesting.

I wonder, if we should include these two midpoints in progressions always, as this time they really made more sense than the normal progressions.

posted August 25, 2008 04:14 PM         

First of all, my God, I have a very Scorpio-year (converse pr Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and ASC all in Scorpio!).

However there are actually some converse progressions in the synastry:

my converse pr Sun trine his ASC
my converse pr Venus conjunc this pr MErcury (1 a - involves my 5th house ruler and his DSC-ruler)

my converse pr Venus trine his ASC (0,5a)

my converse pr Antivertex conjunct his converse pr Venus (seems I can`t escape that Antivertex action )

my pr DC trine his Mars (2 a)

posted August 25, 2008 04:30 PM         

I know that it makes sense when I look back onto my life. For example, when I was 15 and I became infatuated with this musical singer, which actually changed my life a lot, and consequently it opened me up to the spiritual world a lot, even though it was also drained with illusions and selfdeception:

Directed Neptune had been on 25° Sagittarius, conjuncting my DSC ruler mercury as well as my Sun.

Looking at the synastry, this musical singer had his directed PLuto fall exactly onto my MC and exactly squaring my Venus. Jip, that nails it!

HIs directed Uranus was exactly square my Sun and Mercury. His directed Neptune conjunct my NN.

my directed Moon conjuncted his Jupiter at that time. My directed Venus had been exactly conjunct my Antivertex and Sun-Moon-midpoint and sextile his Mars.
My directed Mars had been exactly square his Mars.
my directed Uranus had been square my own Moon and opposite his Moon; and coincidentally my directed Uranus had also been hit exactly by that Transit Pluto back then, which activated all that Moon-action. It describes eerily accurate the almost hysterical, manic-depressive, uplifting and traumatic feelings I had been going through.

My directed NN was also conjunct my Sun and Mercury exactly, implying that something very fateful and destined was happening to me (Sun) especially in regard to my thought pattern (Mercury) and my attitude towards relationships (ruler of 7th house). And that is true. I can honestly say, this has been the biggest turning point in my life.

Speaking of which. The conversely directed Vertex had been EXACTLY opposite my natal Venus and sat exactly on this man`s Venus-Pluto-mp.